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Are the government doing something right after all?
Cant load the article but id be curious to know how many newly employed people are working full time hours vs zero hr contracts/part time work/workfare/training courses.
Been a while since I temped at jobcentre but some of the tricks they used to massage stats were wire-esque.
They come from the Labour Force Survey. The classification into employed, unemployed and economically active relates entirely to the respondents' stated desire to find work and activities to find work in the recent past. Claiming of benefits doesn't come into the equation at any point.
the official stats on out of work benefit claimants are of course heavily influenced by government policy and can also (as you say) be massaged from above. That's why those statistics are not the officially sanctioned indicators of the state of unemployment, even though they always make for juicy press headlines and so are often quoted.
However tax revenues being significantly below what you'd expect for `this sort of employment` kind of tells its own story.
Of course there's always the argument that people being in work, ANY work, is better than not being in work at all. Perhaps. But somehow we've found the dosh in these austerity time to subsidise all of these low paying low hours jobs through more tax credits so...
That tax revenue thing is a really good point too. Just got the link working and youth unemployment is still a massive concern, which essentially undermines any good news. Its all a game really. Very depresskng.
Unless like certain Tories you believe that any job = better than any alternative/inherently `a good thing`.
Cameron mentioned the other day that he'd like to see `Full Employment`. Interesting wording. Maybe a Clause 4 all of his own will be going into the next Tory charter...
whereas most in the real world view it as an 8-12 hour daily interruption to their real lives (exempting people with an actual calling, obv). It's poisoned any chance of a real grown up debate about what constitutes worthwhile employment and how much personal time a job is really worth. Bit off topic I know but I dont blame any kid jobhunting for the first time and deciding being paid £3 p/h to be an apprentice door-to-door salesman, or a zero hour contract in a spam factory, is a complete waste of time. Another problem is the gov is trying to 'make work pay' by reducing benefits rather than forcing wage rises.
Maintaining the employment rate during the post global crisis shambles has been a by-product of plummeting productivity.
You essentially have a (marginally) growing economy on the back of large firms being free to employ lots of people on below living wage, or on zero hours contracts, and through people having to declare themselves as being self-employed while actually being horrifically under-employed.
Some years ago my cousin got offered a commission only sales job, and the company told the jobcentre before they told him cos he got it thru a course the jc put him on. So he knew the job was a joke, and a very risky one at that, but if he refused it the jc would sanction him. However, if he took the job he'd struggle to, well, live. So he finally took the job and wound up lending loads of money to cover travel expenses and food and so on, while making no money, before the company sacked him after a month for poor sales. So my in debt cuz tried to sign back on but the jc wanted a full explanation for why he'd lost the job, and took forever to process his claim, during which time cuz had to get a crisis loan and lend yet more money, as well as look for another job. This whole time he must have felt like a non-person: not an employed taxpayer, yet not counted on the jc database, just in debt and depressed. His case dragged on for ages and then he found a decent enough job in an office and gave up seeking a back payment of jsa, who contacted him some weeks later to let him know it was his fault he'd lost the job and so he wasn't entitled to any backpay. Obv he had a job by then but still, think of how much money the jc spent on admin trying to deny cuz his money, plus crisis loans, all for the sake of fiddling stats, vs how much they'd have saved if they'd just helped him find a proper reasonably paid position when he was claiming.
leaving aside reclassifications, sanctioning and suchlike that might have manipulated the stats somewhat, it's fair to say employment is definitely up. With that said though, effectively around half of the "new jobs" the Conservatives claim to have created are just replacements for full time jobs lost between 2008 and the coalition coming to power and not all of them are full time. There's been a big move towards new job creation being in part-time or self-employed roles with inherently less security and (in many cases) lower wages.
Not employment rate. With a growing population there are record numbers in employment every month as a default, just about.
...to see George Osbourne's doublethink approach to dealing with good news/bad news. Whatever graph has gone up this month, THAT was the real quiz.
so i reckon there is something in this
more people underemployed and on zero hour contracts than ever
The number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance in December fell by 29,700 to 867,000, the 26th consecutive monthly reduction, said the ONS.
The number of jobless 16 to 24-year-olds also increased by 30,000 to 764,000 - the first quarterly rise since June to August 2013.
Which implies there are jobs out there for particularly skilled/experienced individuals but not those crucial low-skilled/experience-free jobs to get people to a place where they're employable. Probably because all those jobs aren't paying anything like a living wage.
I bet many were sanctioned or forced onto a training program. They're still unemployed just no longer being counted in the figures.
or are now claiming esa instead of jsa
i mean not everyone obviously. bet there's a couple of thousand though who are underemployed, disabled and now claiming
Last time I was unemployed six months ago I was on Jobseekers; now it's their new kick. Wouldn't surprise me if this were being used to gratuitously massage the above statistic too.
there wouldn't even be a job for me if it wasn't for him
i learnt i'll not be getting the 6 months holiday pay from the previous business which they're liable to pay now, because they claim they can't afford to pay it so it's either i claim for it from them and they don't employ me or i work for them and don't get 6 months holiday pay. 6 months holiday pay is actually a life changing amount for me. boo hoo
Don't have another job to go to. Don't even care. #baller
Suck a fat one.