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Anyone see it?
yeah I thought it was good
was don draper stuck in that wee room for 5 years too then or did time work differently for him?
Very much enjoyed it.
Not one to watch if you’re in a jolly christmas mood though.
Same song the girl covers in 15 million credits.
I'm now glad it was worth it
It was great.
it's best to steer clear of this one?
that's a pretty good rule of thumb for absolutely everything
Twice now I've sat down to re-watch Black Mirror thinking `this time it will be different` and I've finished it feeling deeply annoyed (but not without the odd chuckle along the way).
Brooker is simply too cynical to make the format work. Shame.
Best one yet by far I reckon.
Can someone explain what happened, I stopped paying attention at the end
Thought it was okay, Hamm was good. I got the impression they thought it was full of thought-provoking Philip K Dick-style ideas though, when it wasn't really.
also, there weren't that many mirrors
Jon Shamm more like!!!!
it was proper sci fi, i.e. making film that speculates about where our tech might take us to areas that make us have to reconsider new morality/ideas/rules.
Rather than just making 'scifi porn' where film makers just make stuff that fills our eyes with candy.
Thought the second segment was particularly strong due to its extremety of cruelty and lack of fear of showing it....
couple of points of issue (minor considering the strength of the whole 3 stories)
SPOILER ALERT for the below
Why did they give Don Draper such an extreme punishment on the technicality of peeping tom (although I agree the cruelty to the cookie in the second one warrents punishment, the policestate did not recognise this as a crime)
secondly, why do the police punish the 'not a dad afterall' cookie so extremely when the cookie did not do the crime? when they have the real cuprit locked up in a cell......if they think that it doesn't matter cos its just a cookie, then why even bother......if they think that it doesn't matter because the cookie actually felt guilt (even if it didn't do it) then this acknowledges that the cookies can actually feel something, in which case the police that left it in accelerated duration christmas hell over Christmas is really evil and has committed a crime as they know that a) it hurts them, b) it didn't do the crime (yet already feels torment about the crime) the policeman that did this is a casual sadistic torturer who has done this to an innocent entity................or is that the point, is Brookers view that the future could offer new opportunities for casual police cruelty?
the outcome of the first segment was well telegraphed in advance, so that you could predict the outcome (as a possibility) when he was chatting to the girl in the quiet part of the club.
you could also predict the twist of the 3rd segment when the bloke was setting off to finally see his daughter
and maybe deliberate on Brookers behalf, as that gives a sort of revealing inevitability to the dread
the cookie did do the crime. sort of.
thus enabling the conviction of the real person who ws not acknowledging it........
The Actual crime was sort of one of passion, in that it was uncontrolled hormonal which only a hormonal entity would have been pushed into doing.....the cookie is not ruled by hormones, so it is not likely that the crime is in its make up at all (only the guilt)
Think man......Red Dwarf....Justice world......rimmer who thought he was guilty of the destruction of red dwarf.......but it was only in his mind.....a mind so jumped up and petty and pathetic that only a YoeGurt would believe that a vital function would have been assigned as a duty to such a pathetic excuse for a man
essentially feelings of guilt don't amount to actual guilt that others need to act upon, if the entity was not in anyway actually responsible.
ADDITIONALLY, they are both AI (co-incidentally? or was Brooker thinking of this and then upending it)
agree don draper's punishment seemed a bit ott. especially if he had to spend five years in that shitey kitchen. which I'm still not sure if he did or didn't.
It was the 'not a dad' cookie that was in the shitey chrismas kitchen.
Don Draper was punished by being blocked to/by everyone.
yeah, but don draper went into the kitchen to get a confession out of the guy. and when he was explaining to the police that he had ramped the time up he said 'five years with me would crack anybody' or something like that
but I think he meant he had ramped up the time for the cookie.....I think draper was just in normal time and was interfacing into the virtual kitchen.........(not sure how this works, though)
that's what I was asking up there^
was he experiencing time at his normal rate or was he trapped there for years too? idk
and before th policeman goes he ratches up the time that the 'not a dad' cookie has to endure
or did don draper just put a don draper cookie in with the cookie bad guy in the kitchen?
if he did that why did he have his head in that machine?
but considering the strength of the content and the storys, then he's allowed a couple of loose ends
says after he comes out of the kitchen into the police station, that he got a confession in 70 minutes, which aligns with the duration of the program. I think that he said something about messing with the time to make rafe spall think he had been there for 5 years.
i dont know why they feel a need to 'punish' the 'code' person in the egg...but i suppose they dont care, as its just code
is it ok to be very cruel to the 'cookies'
but i'm guessing it went something along the lines of "argh ffs guys always looking at bloody screens nowadays aren't we???"
didn't think the first four were amazing but i might watch this new one
I forbid you now.
Was excellent btw, one of the best hours of TV I've seen all year,
proper gave me the fear at the end. Liked the repeated radio smashing and the volume getting louder and louder :D
1 day @ 1000yrs a minute comes to just over 1.4m years per day.
I'm presuming they were out of the office for at least three days.
but the rich woman who made a copy of herself was an abysmal actress.
as is the girl from the first story.
(I'm sure you all knew this anyway)
thought it was excellent. Some really chilling moments - the cookies being broken especially. I 'liked' the comment that if they break completely they end up as video game cannon fodder added a whole extra level of dark to it.
defo one of the best black mirrors (for the reasons creaks has mentioned).