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1. who would really give a shit about that without the media whipping up a "scandal" and comparing it to bigot gate and sayin it's the worst thing labour have done in 4 years.
2. AS IF a Tory or even a lib dem would ever resign for something like this. Tory MPs say worse every day.
3. nationalism is actually pure bad and its awful how the media are making out that its "snobbish" and "out of touch" to not engage with UKIP.
Best thing Brown did in power imo.
Politicians should start just going around being really antagonistic and rude, it's our fault they're there anyway.
Talking about immigrants as if they're birds or vermin "flocking" here in uncontrollable numbers is pretty racist.
going on about people 'taking offence' like it's some kind of leftist thing. Also people on here go on about it too. 'Offence-Hunters' was the term I saw most recently used in the Torygraph.
But, hey, look at how quickly the right go on to do exactly the same thing and with even less fucking reason.
People that take being offended so seriously, and work so hard at being offended, it's the equivalent of a full time job (which is ironic really, because quite often these people are unemployed).
The YouGov stats clearly show the Professionally Offended are all employed by right-wing newspapers.
"British jobs for British workers", tho.
everyone saw a photo of a white van and a St George's flag without any contextual comment and still got the implication. We should all resign in shame and just go home.
is too toxic these days.
They've snuck out a few quiet announcements this evening too, so that they get lost in the Rochester news.
take it for granted that the Tories themselves are unimpeachably self-serving, weasel shites who can undersell public assets to their best mates, throw disabled people out of their homes, sanction jobseekers for not working for free for tax dodging corporations - even retrospectively change the law regarding it, make hundreds of thousands dependent on food banks...
but somehow Labour need to be held accountable for any misdemeanor whatever the size or scale
it's all a bit rotten
No one can call you a hypocrite when you're a cunt if you've never claimed that you're not.
should we allow him to play Government Communications Chief again?
I thought we were talking about Labour?
Is this what that abortion "debate" in Christ Church would have been like?
by (so it seems) forcing her to resign over it. They themselves have turned a `this could be an issue` into a `this is definitely an issue`.
That said - I think they did the right thing. I think her tweet represented values that I don't want the Labour party to have so, yeah, from my perspective he getting a bit of a rodding is fair.
Dunno what the actual time was or if those reports were pre-emptive...
backbench labour MPs were weighing in, the story was spreading rapidly. there was no way ed miliband could have stood by her. she only actually resigned much later on when it became clear this was gonna be today's main story.
Poor Ed. If I was him I'd be literally incandescent.
Let's see what the next round of YouGov polling makes of it all!!!
with no comment.
It doesn't matter that she's a politician. That is a photo taken by somebody as they go about their day of something strange/shocking/absurd to them (whichever one of those it may be) which she has shared with the world.
Reading into that that she's mocking patriotism, or is a bigotted nationalist is wrong.
This is an extreme case- assisted by insecure Miliband's attempts at 'decisive leadership'- of the ridiculous political landscape we have lived in for the last 20 plus years, where politicians have to be self-mummified within a bland wrapping of soundbites and politically correct statements, actions (and appearances),
Policy is what matters, not the detailed analysis of tweets, or language used by prospective management-style mannequins.
I actually don't know dogwhistle progressiveness? :D
Labour are rather spineless, at the moment the only reasons to want them to win the election seem to be
1. they're not the Tories
2. the wailing from the press would be hilarious and at least partially make up for the fact Labour would still bend over backwards to placate them.
it's ridiculous that she's been sacked for this but ed miliband would have been very unwise to allow the story to linger just to save one person's cabinet position. The media completely have it in for him/ the party.
So he may as well take a 'fuck you' approach. And I don't think the story would hang around any longer if she hadn't resigned.
would have been really damaging. they were really really going to go for it.
ideally ed milliband could just be like yeah fuck you to the media. but he would lose the general election.
"Lol look at the stupid voter"
X is my Tory MP.
I wrote to my Tory MP four times and didn't get a reply, so I'm pissed off with X.
I'm going to vote UKIP instead of Tory in disgust...even though that is actually a vote for X.
You're right. Carry on, nothing to see here...
but its also confirmation of the view that many voters have that politicians treat them with disdain. You can bet she wouldn't have sneered at the voter when/if she was talking to them face to face, but did afterwards on twitter.
Makes a sharp contrast to the "you're my boss" rhetoric coming from Carswell and echoed by Reckless in his speech last night,
Probably best that politicians don't go for twitter bants within the almost invisibly fine line between `highlighting genuine idiocy` and `mocking the electorate`. That in itself's as idiotic as the evident goon she's paraphrasing...
then democracy's even more fucked than I thought it was.
Unless you're just saying that she should have pointed out their stupidity to their face rather than on twitter, in which case I agree.
But sneering about it on twitter isn't helpful in any way. She should have corrected the person and left it at that.
its "look at this dimbo lol"
"' anecdotes about meeting" with "from".
Fark. This is what happens when I have to get into work for 8.30 rather than 9.30.
Just asked, innocently, "If you're annoyed with Mark Reckless, wouldn't it make more sense to vote Conservative, given that Reckless is the UKIP candidate in this by-election?"
Unless it's during a sporting tournament seeing the English flag makes me very uncomfortable, threatening even, it's sad but those are the connotations it has, can understand why someone would think it is of interest and share the photo. It's not snobbish.
Like I mean they made out it was snobbish to make assumptions about that house (even though those assumptions were never stated) when really those assumptions were probably correct. The non racist England flag bearer is not a thing.
You're gonna need one hell of a citation for that.
brings out all the closet racists.
It actually does though
large amount about St George's Day. Pretty patriotic, are we?
The more I think about it, the more I agree with Billy Connolly's assertion that actually wanting to become a politician should exclude someone from doing it.
so out of touch
to prole-art-threat or to EdMiliband.
Thornberry's tweet was incredibly Ill advised, especially at a time when Labour are getting a drubbing for not representing their core vote and in a by election lost to the most working class party. Obvs the Tories have gone in hard on her, but its understandable as they want to deflect from the by election.
At the same time, the sacking is kind ofmad. Kind of think it wouldn't have happened if she was MP for somewhere other than Islington. Sets the bar incredibly low for future Lab resignation s.
it sets a similar tone to tony blair saying he would have no sleaze and his government would be "whiter than white" (sic). which went down well. now it'll make the tories look bad when one of theirs inevitably does something stupid next week.
that idea makes me feel weird
this made it worse
Which I really kind of don't.
the leader should be able to use their judgement and decide what's best at the time. it might be unfair but the media still have the power to make something a story when it shouldn't be.
about comments made to police officers seems to be one.
is always dead weird.
Are both sides contractually obliged to fill them with insincere hubris?
Bits of Islington are amongst the most deprived in the country (and bits are super plush poshlands).
But the view outside of London is Islington as a "champagne socialist" land. Surely you get that.
that's the type of thing he was put on god's earth to do. Would be like saying a shark went out of its way to eat a seal
The entity we know as "marckee" is actually one of Theo's programming experiments gone horribly wrong.
because it's just text on a screen.
Have you read their manifesto?
What are you basing that on?
Rob Ford and Matthew Goodwin's Revolt on the Right: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revolt-Right-Explaining-Extremism-Democracy/dp/0415661501
He makes some sane and valid points on twitter re: UKIP. Plus he seems to piss off Dan (Cunt) Hodges so that's a gold star in my eyes.
Is that a good read?
Recommend this more, which is brilliant and much wider: https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/sex-lies-and-the-ballot-box
Hope you read and enjoy it.
Their voter profile is certainly more slanted to the working classes than most (all) other parties, but that's not the same thing as having the most support from the working class... a party with a larger support base could be less slanted to the C2DEs and still have more support than UKIP from that group.
Genuinely think that this next election is going to be exciting and a massive mess in equal measures
I'd have been wary about letting her in in the first place
Looking forward to that.
and cant remember the last time he voted and agrees ET's a snob.
I was hoping he was fraudulently claiming benefits or something and would have to be swept under the carpet.
shouting at the press to get off his driveway so he could get his van out. Brilliant journalism.
*exactly* as Thornberry had imagined in her head:
was kinda hoping it would turn out he was a labour voter and loved immigrants and stuff. just cause sometimes politics has to be funny and entertaining.
biting their lips to keep their prejudices in check re that photo.
He looks cool as fuck. Bet he's proper sound.
Be a class night
into a debate about cultural appropriation re: 'Maori' tattoos?
I'm going to rock that look this weekend.
(just noticed his shirt says MMA)
Thornberry should start petitioning to have a paper bag put over his face, van and home
and a ridiculous storm, but Thornberry really is a crap politician if she didn't realise the negative connotations contained in that image, especially when coming from a high-ranking politician within a party that have been charged with losing touch with their roots since New Labour. It's all overblown and shouldn't be a resignation issue, but I'm lacking any sympathy for her.
With that said, I do admire the timing - pretty much perfect for taking a bad day of headlines away from the Tories and killing what should have been a strong PMQs next week for Labour. Couldn't have done much better if she was a double agent.
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with a white van and some England flags and the tag #Rochester. She could have been showing how wonderful this image is. So maybe it is those who assume it is sneering that are the bad guys here, what is wrong with tweeting such an image?
She has resigned so I doubt it. But she could have come out fighting saying how wonderful it is to see the England flag being flown so proudly.
i've seen on twitter in defence of her?
Assuming wikipedia is true (may not be of course):
"Thornberry was born in north Surrey to Cedric Thornberry, a Visiting Professor of War Studies at King's College London, and his wife Sally Thornberry, a teacher. Her parents divorced when Thornberry was aged seven and she and her two brothers lived with her mother who later became a Labour Councillor and Mayor. Her father went on to become United Nations Assistant Secretary General and to work for NATO. She was educated at the University of Kent at Canterbury where she studied law. She went on to practise as a barrister specialising in human rights law from 1985 to 2005 under Michael Mansfield at Tooks Chambers."
Doesn't sound particularly rage to riches to me...
divorce could make a child pretty angry
but it's good to see twitter users taking the time to find tweets from loads of Tory MPs in which they slag off poor people and 'chavs'.
with results determined 50% by votes cast and 50% by twitter point-scoring.
But it also shows some really boring people
Two wrongs make a right? One should be excused because of the other?
That also goes for the Sun as well, who refer to their own readers as 'Plebs'.
YET not a SINGLE sneer about the terrible mock classical columns that support the porch roof.
RIP in peace champagne socialism
Started talking about the white van as a symbol of working class ambition, the tool of go-getting in twenty first century capitalist Britain
I puked through my ears it was quite alarming