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...they couldn't find anything in central London for that money? Looks like this singer woman might be on to something.
It's all offices, Prets and bricks and mortar bank accounts for non-doms.
She's gone full pencils.
this is amazing. quite telling about Ed that he can't respond decently to someone talking this much shite.
and probably sitting there thinking, what the absolute fuck is she on about?
'what was the name of their song? Pure Shores? Nah that's not it, it was pure something. I'm going to look it up as soon as I get back to the office and then we'll see who's boss. By the way Ed it's you, you're the boss'
He let her talk on and wasn't really given a right of reply. A ruder politician or a kinder interviewer would have just cut her off.
a few hours later with a link and saying he had been Put in his place.
Prime Ministers don't negotiate - diplomats do.
This was a golden opportunity to look normal and rational, but instead he waffled out his usual 'What I say is...' robo-nerd stuff.
to your satirical Goldie Looking Chain covers, marckee.
"You may as well just tax me on this glass of water. You can’t just point at things and tax them.”
I mean, you'd have to be absolutely clueless to think that it counts as a credible criticism.
Destroyed Miliband's entire economic policy in two sentences.
"fuck off moonface" when Cameron tweets
Miliband always gets 'fuck off beaker' and Cameron always gets 'fuck off dishface'. Always makes me laugh.
Klass just highlighted how out of touch she is with reality and the rest of the population. I love the water taxing thing - even discounting the fact that any responsible politician would advocate the taxation of bottled water, that's exactly the powers we grant politicians.
But it's either been taken down, or the tweet was a mock up
I'm not 100% sure paying Myleene Klass's Mansion Tax counts as a recognised charitable objective. Yet.
It is really, really bad that Miliband still comes out of this looking like a dick :/
I will NOT see these people taxed.
"Still, I suppose it's nice to have a female C-lister taking this sort of approach to a guessing game, as opposed to the now-traditional route, wherein TV viewers or readers of their autobiographies are invited to guess who raped or sexually assaulted the lady in question some years previously."
I have barely heard her speak but enjoy looking at her. Please don't take that away from me.
...about Myleene Klass aside from she was in that TV band and advertised M&S for awhile. I have learnt so much this afternoon.
due her pronouncing garage garhaj
and if you live in a £2m house, you're rich, end of."
he'd be opening himself up a bit. Everyone knows Miliband is loaded, but 'posh' is so often used as a Labour attack line on Cameron that he needs to try to keep his distance a bit on these issues.
Cameron tries to bury his as much as possible.
Although he tried to downplay it at first, Cameron's pretty open about being posh these days. He's mentioned going to Eton in quite a few of his party conference speeches (and then saying he wants everyone to have as good an education as he had).
He very rarely mentions his ancestry. He's related to William IV for fuck's sake, he's so astonishingly mega-posh that credit to him for only being seen as a bit loaded.
I went to Blenheim Palace the other week (to see the Ai Wei Wei art). I had no idea Winston Churchill grew up there! I assumed all Tory politicians were rich, but I didn't realise he was that rich.
was deeply aristo
related to William IV
despite also being rich himself, that makes him...a good person. What is he opening himself up for?
and that they don't/can't understand the plight of 'normal' people that use food banks etc. By admitting openly that he's financially very wealthy would make him out of touch. Hoist by his own petard, so to speak.
At least, that's the way it would play out, regardless of whether it had any grounding in reality.
admitting you're rich, deliberately pushing an agenda that would see you pay more and not just pretending you are 'one of you guys' is far more worthy an ideal than just pretending that talking about all being in it together somehow negates the fact that you're operating in the interests only of those in your own demographic. I mean I'm not an Ed fan by any means but...
in reality it isn't. people can see the difference between a very rich person who pursues policies to keep the rich rich and a very rich person who is in favour of redistributing wealth.
the line "tories are rich and out of touch" does not naturally mean that "rich people are out of touch" and anyone can see the distinction.
the super posh fat cat is a very different caricature from the champagne socialist, and any progressive minded person isn't generally won over by the latter characterisation anyway
appropriate management of the NHS.
As misjudged as the spare room subsidy?
Call me a bluff, old traditionalist, but I believe that people should only be taxed on things when they actually crystallise a gain and/or realise some cash to meet the tax charge.
it should be dealt with as a capital gain, or rolled up as a liability and only payable upon a sale (all the more reason to never sell and keep it in the family, hawahwhaw!!!|)
CGT relief on primary residences?
the collection yields barely justify the cost of collection alone. quite hilariously.
of what is fair, equitable and justifiable in taxation terms.
but you have and you're still wrong, haha!
isn't really an asset transaction, mate.
it, for, for example, a deposit on another property, for rental income that outstrips your mortgage repayments.
If you're remortgaging as an equity release then I can see how that should amount to a gain for these purposes. pretty tricky to police without the cooperation of lenders though.
You're still borrowing the "equity release" component. It's not like you're actually realising cash that belongs to you. It has to be repaid at some point.
and even truer given market volatility. back in the days of what everyone thought was neverending price inflation, a remortgage was just seen as free money and negative equity didn't seem like a risk. dwefining gain is pretty tricky, I can see the point marckee is trying to make- the problem again lies in to what extent that 'gain' is yours to be taxed.
then upon your death or you selling it, it will be worth considerably more than you have paid in repayments over the years.
would be subject to CGT (even if it were your primary residence, per my above suggestion) or the excess value of your estate over the IHT threshold would be subject to IHT.
I suppose the argument would be that for the vast majority of the people this would affect, they have crysallised a gain by owning a property worth more than £2million
until they sell the property.
so the person isn't taxed if they can't liquidate the accumulated assets in their ownership because they have no income.
Because it was a Lib Dem policy and they fudged it. Excellent piss taking.
(you could own a string of properties valued at £1.9m and not get hit by it) and it might have been far better to add further bands to council tax in certain areas (the idea that someone living in a mansion in Kensington & Chelsea can play the same Council Tax as a single mother in a flat in Sunderland is pretty abhorrent), but it's a laudable policy in lieu of any politician wanting to seriously address the rampant inequalities in the inheritance tax system and the housing market.
these are taxed under the capital gains tax regime (those of which aren't your main residence, that is.)
and only get levied capital gains tax when they're sold, all the while those same landowners can borrow against the (increasing) value of their estate either for more money or to further restrict the market supply, driving up the value of their assets, allowing them to borrow more money etc etc....
but a balance sheet fixed asset is not the same as having the cash to meet a tax charge, which is the point, really.
you die, and it can be deducted from your estate.
and just muttered something about a bigoted woman
but this is just embarrassing. does she not realise that mineral water is already subject to VAT?
why the hell the Leader of the Opposition is on a telly programme discussing policy with an ex-pop star.
Someone like H from Steps would have been a much better choice of defending this policy. Another Labour own goal!
that was good
the evil lawyers are making me side with marckee.
won't say sorry.
and bake in the over at 200c for 2 1/2 hours.
as this thread has turned very very dull.
not sure what you expected really?
I've told this story on here before but when I started university I went supermarket shopping with this girl (Vicky) and she inspected some food packet and then wanted to know if we had a preheated oven.
telling everyone I came across
full humiliation of Vicky.
She never did sleep with me.
you're right to point that out and thank you
need clarification on some stuff
it's like when CG turns up and makes a soccer gag in the football threads
Pizzas - SOMETIMES
Everything else - LEAVE IT
I think Theo once said something toe curlingly embarassing about preheating ovens on here once but I can't remember what it was. It was bad though.
and it doesn't matter.
takes just the right amount of time for you to pre-heat the oven.
Mylene or Ed?
*while* also running the country
(assuming it's because she subscribes to the ideas of Gerard Winstanley, namely that the Earth is 'a common treasury for all' and that private property is a sin, etc etc)
but imagine having £2m, cash reddies or on loan from the bank, whatever, and choosing to live in the fucking Midlands!
For saying bme and having his anti gay name and being a psychopath bme hermogenises non whites
we shouldn't allow these sort of wind up merchants
Looked a bit Brown-esque in his discomfort in front of a spot of SPEAKYOURBRAINS idiocy. Not a good look, sadly.
Miliband's got an easy answer to this though - his house is worth over £2million (according to the Dispatches programme on Monday evening) so surely his first line of defence should `My home is worth x, and therefore I'll happily be paying the tax too`. Would give him the upper hand in the argument and get public approval etc.
Unless he's exempt somehow.
Anyway, Dan Hodges was Myleene-esque on this point the other week: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11177527/Ed-Balls-has-just-turned-my-house-into-a-mansion.-Im-not-as-happy-about-it-as-you-might-think.html
I'm not sold on the Mansion Tax myself. Seems a bit easy-vote-winning to me. Much better to reform Council Tax banding and IHT surely (seeing as a lot of this taxable money will doubtless be deferred until death anyway, it'll essentially work as an IHT top-up by my reckoning).