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world-class statting, Drink Aware. Beats David Moyes' transfer bunker stats machine hands-down.
(ticket to hell please)
AND i've had sex at least five times. Take that, drink aware.
I'll be watching your posts for syphilitic mental deterioration. May be hard to pick up given the base level we're starting from but I'll do my best
I've never had protected sex with a woman.
what if still_here (or anyone reading this) actually did have syphilis or another very stigmatized disease like HIV?
alongside bragging to a notoriously irreverant forum about having unprotected sex
like, are you actually suggesting that the millions of people who have died as a result of a disease they contracted through sex are to blame? have a word with yourself pal...
there's research to show that the stigma of STIs is a major barrier to people who need treatment and care. it's also just a really bad thing to make people living with any condition to feel anxious, ashamed, isolated or too scared to disclose their status.
S_H maybe didn't need standing up for as they posted about it and perhaps opened it up for comment in return, but there are people who might read it who haven't posted or something who may feel pretty put down by it.
I mean if someone has lots of unprotected sex with multiple partners, chances are they will get one or more STIs pretty quickly. Is making a joke referencing that stigmatising STIs? I'm not convinced. There are a lot of jokes about STIs I find a bit distasteful and stigmatising, but I wouldn't class anything in this thread as that, myself.
to talk about syphilis as something that can be "detected" in someone's behaviour. or as if it's just some wacky victorian illness that people don't get anymore. it's suggesting that people with syphilis need to 'hide' their condition. like do you actually think casual jokes about syphilis (or other stis) don't make it harder for people to disclose that they have that condition or to talk about what it is like to have that condition?
not saying you in particular are doing this but it's such a classic example of people on dis rallying around to defend something stupid that a popular poster's said.
anyone defending the idea that people with STIs have made "poor life decisions" really needs to sort themself out though.
I'm not sure we should continue using that word in this context.
rightly or wrongly that syphilis (at least in its tertiary stages) can cause madness/ dementia. Hitler was a mad syphil, allegedly.
It was generally thought it was the cause of Nietzsche's decline into madness and then death, although chances are this was a smear spread by the Nazis and he actually had brain cancer.
totally alright then!
isn't this scientifically proven and a consequence of the infection taking root in the central nervous system
which is the point. relating it to someone's behaviour and the way they present themself makes it out like people with diseases which affect their brain need to watch out cause people are watching/scrutinizing them all the time.
I was commenting on this:
"But it's a commonly held belief rightly or wrongly that syphilis (at least in its tertiary stages) can cause madness/ dementia."
I wasn't sure whether there was scientific basis for it, which is why is said belief. and then I checked and you are right.
From now on I'm going to assume that all gibbering hatstanders that I encounter in life are riddled with Syph. fun!
at some point in your sexual history is pretty high. Not all of them are symptomatic, you could just be a carrier. Take Trichomoniasis (which is a very common STI), 1 in 5 sexually active people have it or have been exposed to it at some point in their lives. I find it quite laughable when people judge others for having an STI/calling it "poor life decision" because to me that's like saying to a person with a cold they've made a poor life decision.
Epimer and the Wza have both this'd a post saying people with certain diseases have made a "poor life decision".
also it's quite important to remember that a lot of people will have conditions that they were infected with through sex that they didn't consent to.
urgh there's just soo much wrong with blaming people for contracting sexually transmitted infections.
In the context of the original comment/joke anyone who has literally never had protected sex and has caught an STI = in the majority of cases a poor life decision.
talking about their "poor life decisions" is blaming them. in the same way that talking about women who get drunk and walk home alone wearing short skirts as making poor decisions is classic victim blaming. you have no idea about other people's lives and circumstances and are in no positions to judge their decision making.
Alongside a near insinuation that I would blame rape victims.
aw maaan, i haven't suggested that you would blame rape victims.
you just don't seem to be able to grasp that focusing on the "poor life decisions" and behaviour of people with stis constitutes blaming them. if you don't get why focusing on someone's own behavior and saying that they made the wrong decisions is blaming them then i struggle to see how you would understand the concept of victim blaming more generally.
like i clearly used the example of women getting drunk because that is also so *obviously* an example of victim blaming, which i thought you would be able to agree with. obviously i wouldn't have used this analogy if i thought that YOU also blamed women for getting raped. it would be a completely redundant way of trying to explain it.
oh my god. this site.
kinda felt like you were drawing an analogy between that and the comments already made.
Depends what you mean by victim blaming really.
Do I think that anyone with an STI should be treated and not made fun of/ostracised etc: Of course.
Does someone who repeatedly has unprotected sex with multiple people increase their chances of an STI? Definitely
In these limited parameters if you do catch an STI in this way does that not entail a poor life decision? I'd say so.
there's good aids and bad aids?
which is absolutely the worst. You don't want cat aids.
Do a logic reset.
The starting point is the willful unprotected sex, boldly proclaimed in public. Not the results of it.
you literally this'd a post talking about people with STIs as making "poor life decisions".
if you don't wanna be associated with that anymore then just say so. i was surprised that you in particular this'd it cause i generally think you have the right idea about stuff.
to the exclusion of what has actually happened.
people keep saying i'm misinterpreting what was said. literally what was said:
"They'd probably regret their poor life decisions"
This was about people with all STIs too, including HIV. like are you actually not gonna recant that?
fullerov @ 7 Nov '14, 14:08
you do think "In these limited parameters if you do catch an STI in this way does that not entail a poor life decision? I'd say so."
that just surprises me.
"Does someone who repeatedly has unprotected sex with multiple people increase their chances of an STI? Definitely"
that was indeed another part of the post you were referring to.
the same one that reached the conclusion that if you catch an STI "in this way" it entails a poor life decision. which you've said you agree with.
why would you assume that i'm always serious just cause i am right now this minute (when i'm talking about something, erm, incredibly serious) ?
seems a bit like you just don't like someone being asked not to use people living with heavily stigmatized conditions to make crap jokes. it's pathetic that i even have to justify asking that lucien doesn't make people feel ashamed about their health conditions/ sexual history.
If someone is really THAT offended by someone making a joke (the quality of which is irrelevant really) on an internet forum then they probably have bigger problems than an STI.
No-one is suggesting that people wioth STI's are ostracised or that we single them out for taunting or whatever, but
equally that doesn't mean that they shoudl stop people from making a relatively ligh hearted comment because they might get offended.
Also quite frankly the majority of posts I've seen from you consist of you effectively getting on your high horse and decrying whatever you happen to have been offfended about that day.
you're just willfully ignoring what i've actually said: stigma around STIs has a really detrimental effect on people living with them and makes it harder to access treatment.
has made it harder to access treatment.
I inferred that you were offended, from your reply and past conduct. I may be wrong and apologise if so.
yeah it really doesn't sound like you work in sexual health or have much experience researching it? or have talked to people who experience this stigma?
also lol "past conduct". thanks for keeping track of everything i say.
Fair dues, it's one of the more niche brags we've had on here over the years.
would not get treatment because someone made a joke on an internet forum?
I have no doubt that people with AIDS etc experience discrimination and stuff, but I do dispute that people would find it harder to obtain treatment because of the kind of comments made up ^
I don't keep track of everything you say, but do read DiS fairly frequently and you do seem to be someone who likes to argue/get offended on behalf of people on a regular basis, at least in the threads i've read.
I'm sure you're probably a great person IRL though.
and that's Lucien.
some people are put off accessing testing because of the widespread shame/disgust/abjection/stigma of having an STI. there is a lot of evidence too that people often feel reluctant and embarrassed to talk to their sexual partners about their sexual history, testing and the risks of sex. talking about syphilis as if its a silly disease that marks people out as mentally 'deteriorated' is just one example of this. can you not see how after seeing lots and lots of people saying stuff like that, over a prolonged period of time, how it could make someone feel really embarassed about their conditions. i dont know why you're making out like i've said lucien's post alone would be enough to do that. it's obviously cumulative.
also cant imagine how strange and confusing the world must seem to someone like you who sees any kind of critique or expression of a problem as reducible to "being offended".
what your second sentence means.
My impression and initialy point was that you probably have good intentions, but seem to take flippant and offhand comments far too seriously.
An impression which you haven't dispelled yet.
rather than the people bragging about unprotected sex.
you guys are very weird.
i quite strongly believe people should be able to disclose that they've had unprotected sex without being picked on though.
you guys seem to think people who have unprotected sex should be judged and shamed and it's their fault if they get diseases so they're fair game to humiliate and stuff. don't really have the energy to argue with that today. some genuinely worrying attitudes on here though. if people have the time, i suggest they look up some stuff about how damaging the stigma around STIs is. http://www.tht.org.uk/get-involved/Campaign/Our-social-policies/Stigma-and-discrimination
that your gibbering was probably down to dickrot, you Sheathshirking SHHllaaagggg.
Sounds like his post got a response in kind then.
I also think you're setting up a rather flakey strawman to suggest that Lucien was making fun of people who have contracted syphilis or people who have had unprotected sex.
Just how are people meant to respond to a post in which someone flippantly suggests that they has risked pregnancy and passing on STIs in other people?
Perhaps Lucien should have pulled still_here up for being inappropriate and mock-shaming people who aren't sexually experienced or who are unaware of sexual health issues. Idk.
1. you have no idea how many sexual partners i've had and what the situation was when i was with them.
2. you have no idea if they were on the pill at the time, and are also weirdly dismissive of their own agency when they decided to sleep with me.
without those qualifiers added to the original statement, there original statement sits as per marckee's call.
or have you finally gone completely senile?
I'd like to point out I was only supporting the reasonableness of questioning the agency of someone who'd started to sleep with him
presumably one of those clarifications you regularly have to do in lieu of getting a tatoo across your face saying something like "i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt i'm a cunt"
fidel is a bit of a cunt.
He said I looked like fucking Zane Lowe yesterday the shitter.
yes, that's exactly what I was saying
you seem like you could really use a nap or something?
In terms of the 'woman's agency thing' I hadn't given a moment's consideration to the possibility of you being made out to be a rapist.
I presumed you and fidel were meaning something about the women not wanting you to use protection (for whatever reason).
'there' should been 'the', though.
Lets not resort to name calling that has etymology in stigmatizing mental deficiency. Its crass and weakens your argument.
Just to confirm, I deliberately set out to stigmatise people who have STIs, I've learnt nothing and I will be doing it again.
"Just how are people meant to respond to a post in which someone flippantly suggests that they has risked pregnancy and passing on STIs in other people?"
erm, i think it should be pretty obvious that people should never respond to someone saying they've had unprotected sex with judgemental and shaming attitudes. like do you actually think we should be giving people into trouble for having unprotected sex (or "risking pregnancy"?).
also it's pretty fucking obvious that still_here wasn't "mock-shaming" people who aren't sexually experienced. he was giving this info in response to the ridiculous "statistic" from drinkaware in the OP. like that's literally it.
what a very weird (but interesting) conversation this has produced.
just seems weird that anyone concerned with STIs and the damage they can do to people physically and/or mentally would overlook this kind of attitude which is far from helping the situation.
again, you have no idea about my sexual history. My post was pretty, pretty obviously a joke, and no part of that joke was 'lol ive had unprotected sex with sooo many women haha'
or you're shaming people who aren't as sexually experienced as you.
It's your pick.
"lol yeah i've had sex AT LEAST FIVE TIMES HAHA BEAT THAT DICKHEADS".
I was really obviously being self deprecating... and there was absolutely nothing in that post that suggested i was looking down on people that have had sex less than five times...
but hey, maybe i should go on google and search "drownedinsound +marckee +virgins" and see how many posts you made sexually shaming people, eh.
Presumably the bit abiut never having had protected sex either then?
Which makes Lucien's response in kind and if a completely appropriate tone.
i've had very few sexual partners, and of those the overwhelming amount of times i've had sex have been with my girlfriend. We're careful and neither of us have STIs. Other times i've had unprotected sex were in the full knowledge that i didnt have any STIs. Also, the other person was taking contraception and therefore wasnt under any risk...
Fucking SCANDAL that is.
So not unprotected then.
In the OP.
Seemed like good beeves at first.
Go back and re-read still_here's post. It's SO innocuous.
Let's just shake hands and get back to laying into quizzers. (Now there's an STD I'd like to eradicate.)
completely straight up
I don't really know you. Was more refering to how people seem to have pretty obvious dislike of other users then act like it has no part in their interactions. Obviously everyone does this to some extent. But from other stuff you've said to me it seems you think I "follow" you about pulling your pigtails and treating you unfairly. I don't actually have any beef or want you to look bad or anything. I get the impression a lot of people on here see someone they don't like getting a bit of a doing and enjoy it or go out of their way to use the opportunity to have a pure go. Anyway, we don't know each other and we don't need to be friends. But I don't actually personally dislike you and anything I've said to you has been about specific posts. Also no offence but other people lay into you a lot more than I do. For what it's worth I really want to like you 🌸💘🙎
if still_here had an STI trying to find a parallel with aids and various STI sufferers around the world where the condition was forced on them is fucking ridiculous and you know it. If you're going to start making batshit arguments then I'm out.
Stats check out.
when there's enough dry guff to blow it up to 80% of the whole thing
to a slightly higher, but still very low, probability?
i think the main issue is that there's pretty obviously no direct causation
See you all tomorrow.
Judging by the world's population growth rate increasing by 1% annually, I'd say there have been a lot of drunk 13yr olds out there.
Good work slags.
give us a fucking chance, you tyant
Now THAT'S funny!
because of the way that it is phrased, they should have said that it means that 'you will fall into a statistical group where ......'
the way it is phrased is to imply cause and effect, and whilst most people on here are aware of that, it is very likely than several more mail readers will therefore see a co-relation.
It also seems bollocks as I imagine that almost everyone who has had a s** life will have had unprotected s** at some point in their life.
It might just mean that if you havnt had a drink by 13 then you are a risk-adverse person.....or even a liar, when we start to talk about people who might not get drunk or have unprotected s** then we might also be more likely to be dealing with people who think that these things are 'bad' or even 'immoral'....they may belong to a specialist prude grouping like strict christians, in which case they may be more prone to not be entirely honest with themselves about 'what they do' because 'some things are bad'
Is a sure fire way to make the thread funny. Take note, everybody!
and people were getting cross with each other upthread, so I just......................what does pmsl mean?
its just that if they are of the 'denial' sort, then they have more to lie about, or more to deny themselves, some strict christians may be well sincere, but those that like persecuting probably have a whole world of mechanisms in their head that are designed to overide the truth (I mean we all have some, they just might have to have more)
There is a real problem with incontinence that a lot of people are afraid to talk about. Phrases like PMSL do nothing to help.
Also, myself is one word.
but I FUCKING hate this : :')
Seems so fucking smug and I just wanna stamp on their face
why have you starred out the word 'Sex'?
and I've just never entirely lost the habit
If so, the site's a bigger failure than I thought
That's not nearly enough to wade through all of that.
at least protect yourself from word checkers in firewalls
imagine if someone searched for 'unprotected s**' you might actually be returned by the search
how is one to respond to this exactly? how can we possibly condone it? someone needs to pull you up for your "poor life decisions".
The moment you think it's finally, finally, finally dead, it comes sputtering back to life one more time.
like a tennis kind of thing?
It's pretty obvious that people with STIs are stigmatised.
and people seem to jump on anything still_here says with immediate disdain
that's cause they hate being proved wrong publicly, or having to admit that they're wrong
that's why people always jump on darwindude as well
also lots of people on this site still holding grudges from times in the past when they've been proved wrong/someones disagreed with them
Any disdain in the original post was directed at the people around the world with syphilis I was trying to stigmatise rather than my broseph
Or at least, certainly in no worse way than still_here's does.
I don't think anyone's disagreed with the idea that people with STIs are stigmatized. I think you'd struggle to see anyone doing that in this thread though.
I just assumed that it was a Mourinho-like tactic for deflecting the fuss away from s_h's rather dubious post.
if someone and their partners chose to have unprotected sex then that's their choice
what s_h said was based on the truth though http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4456038#r8359013
Turning it into a joke is a bit unnecessarily flippant, and seeking to turn sexually inexperienced people into the butt of a joke, even if it is apparently self-deprecating (which I'm not sure it is if it's not true), is still reinforcing the idea that people who aren't having sex or who aren't experienced are somehow lesser people.
To be honest, neither still_here's post nor Lucien's offended me at all, but I just think it's interesting that one got leapt on rather than the other, that's all.
"Seeking to turn sexually inexperienced people into the butt of a joke, even if it is apparently self-deprecating (which I'm not sure it is if it's not true), is still reinforcing the idea that people who aren't having sex or who aren't experienced are somehow lesser people."
For goodness sake. I mean, really. :D
this is hardly a new idea, and has been vigorously endorsed by people on both sides of the somewhat embarrassing spat upthread
I feel RIDICULOUS now.
Are we GamerGate now? The REAL victims in all of this are the sexually inexperienced young men.
there's been some pushback about using "virgin" as an insult on here. it's not specific to gender at all.
personally I think it's a bit overblown, but w/e
but I was under the impression people were upset that still_here had 'bragged' about having sex five times, and were implying it was harsh on people who were less experienced sexually.
That could be completely wrong. This thread is very difficult to follow. If it is wrong, please don't tell me. I'm really enjoying the idea.
was about the stigma there is around using condoms, especially in teenage males - as if it's some sort of victory to have had sex without protection. When obviously using protection is something that should be encouraged as much as possible to avoid STIs.
I really don't think there is a stigma around using condoms. Some people say they don't like it, but I wouldn't say there's a stigma. I could be wrong.
I mean there's whole televised advertising campaigns specifically aimed at telling people to use condoms to avoid STIs.
Just might be young people aren't fully aware of the risks of not wearing a condom.
Especially in heterosexual sexual activity. Well, maybe not stigma, as such, but there certainly isn't the necessary social pressure that turns education about having protected sex into its application.
It's mostly down to a lad-culture thing: seeing the risk of pregnancy as the woman's responsibility to police, and the treating of sex and women as consequence-free.
but I take your point.
but there is definitely an idea that they're a nuisance
and possibly the #binarygender one, too...
I can't help but note that you are judging whether or not there's a stigma about wearing a condom.
I'm not particularly pressing the point of there actually being a stigma, but it jumps out that you feel qualified to make the call on it, without having been a man.
Not that being a man is the /only/ qualification for making the call, of course. There might well be some valid basis for the judgement.
THERE IS NO STIGMA TO WEARING CONDOMS. There might well be. But the stuff being said here about e.g. Lad culture and seeing it as the responsibility of a woman to not get pregnant (which definitely is a thing and I do have experience of - had guys get annoyed at me for making them wear a condom or trying to have sex with me without one anyway). That sort of thing is bad and might be as a result of there being some stigma at play but I wouldn't say itself is stigma. Its more about a lot of men just being pure entitled and not willing to listen to women...Going by conventional definitions of 'stigma' anyway. Would probably be a very interesting thing to actually research (and I think 'stigma' might well emerge out of the findings).
and then tried to undercut it by pretending to be part of a group who society deems acceptable to mock (the sexually inexperienced).
As I say, it didn't upset me and I think it was meant in jest, but I just don't see why Lucien's similar, and smarter (and funnier), response is the one that got called out.
he wasn't bragging about having unprotected sex. even if he was, who gives a fuck about that?
you're like buying into some pure moral panic about people who openly admit to having unprotected sex. i see elaina also disclosed she has unprotected sex. I "just don't see why" you've made an absolute thing out of one user saying it and not another.
*I do actually see why, it's cause you're a boring, hypocritical old man.
Who gives a fuck about it? It sets Lucien's post completely within context and of a part with it.
Elaina didn't use her post to make a flippant joke. Again, it's all about context.
didnt mean to offend, just slipped out.
Just found it weird that no-one (possible exception - msmonnipenni) came out on her side in that exchange.
Stop making me read this thread again!
shrieking and leaping and jumping up and down. i'm pretty hysterical.
using the historical association of syphillis with madness. The STI bit was kind of incidental as a cheap set-up and I'm pretty sure that was obvious to most.
There's always a legitimate discussion about what is and isn't funny, in what context, who gets to decide, etc, etc. (although it's also pretty clear that doing so kills most humour stone-dead - see one line above).
I'm not saying there's any direct equivalence, but not that long ago DD and Pegfeet made jokes about bisexuals being weird or whatever it was in a thread, some people were apparently really offended by it, and then it was said that it was obvious it was all a joke and it was a case of understimating people's intelligence that they might not realise that.
These things happen - social norms, stigma, power and who's excluded from the joke are all relevant for discussion, but we all have to be humble enough to admit that none of us get it right 100% of the time or it just descends very quickly into name-calling and smugness.
You've still got the bats, right?
BUT WHO'S SIDE IS HE ON?! IT'S BEEVES WEEK FFS!
TThink of the vegetarians, Elaina.
key differences here are
1. My joke was meant to be about biphobia (in particular the idea that bisexual people are inherently strange) not bisexual people. I thought (and still think) it was obviously absurd (stating as a fact that all bisexual people pee sitting down) and quite innocuous. Lucien's joke doesn't seem to have been intended to make fun of STI stigma.
2. I am openly bisexual took responsibility for anyone who didn't immediately get that I was joking in the spirit of challening biphobia and not promoting it. People in this thread however went out of their way to make out like I was being really unreasonable and boring for taking issue with the way STIs were being discussed. I also don't think anyone in this thread has actually said they have an STI and I think this part is also actually probably quite indicative of how stigmatized STIs are. Statistically, it's very very unlikely that nobody on DiS has been diagnosed with an STI. Not saying people should make disclosures on here but the fact that it's pretty much unthinkable that anyone would want to talk about that (on here or anywhere) demonstrates how isolating and anxiety-inducing a diagnosis can be. I don't think it has to be this way and anything I've said in this thread is in the hope that things can improve for people with those diagnoses, and that people feel ok to go and get tested if they're worried.
of your bisexuality is relevant, that's like saying 'of course I was joking about black people, because I'm black'. I do totally agree that you were taken out of context in that thread, but it's a good example of the subjectivity of humour and offence-taking.
that would be completely unacceptable for a white person to make. There's one or two disabled comedians that have become a bit more well-know recently who joke about disability, which again would be totally out of bounds for an able-bodied person.
I think that kind of context is v relevant personally
not all disabilities are the same, not all disabled people's self-identity is the same, it's pretty crass to suggest that.
All jokes are offensive; if you deny this and continue to make them you are a coward.
No more jokes from me.
I'm sure you are just as nice as anyone else really.
I really don't see where hate comes into what we're talking about. And I don't hate anyone. If I do, I'm self-aware enough to know it's probably a lot more to do with me than whoever I hate.
i guess the problem with self-awareness is that it's not perceivable to others.
If it's what I think it is, none of this makes sense.
it's quite possible I'm talking at cross purposes.
anyway, i think its highly relevant that i'm bisexual and making a joke about biphobia. there's a very well established current of thought around this in both comedy and in liberation movements that e.g. black people making jokes to do with 'race' is very different from white people. same with appropriation of slurs/offensive terms.
lol this is so basic no offence.
and I hate the idea that it's ok for certain groups of people to make jokes that would be deemed offensive if made by somebody from outwith that group. I agree with your man's point about the appropriation of language by certain ethnic groups- I think that's quite different though fomr what we're talking about here.
if it's ok for a transgendered person to say 'tranny', I struggle to see why it's only ok for thenm to day it and nobody else, e.g.
anyway, we're not going to agree on this and I think (well I know) I take this a lot less seriously than you, and would prefer to go back to shouting VIRGINS and doing my timesheets so that I can get off the internet bang on 5.
I make fun of people for all sorts of reasons, I'd be surprised if autism had escaped. I find a lot of things funny, that other people would find offensive. I find life funny, that probably makes me not very nice sometimes. I don't pretend to be otherwise, and I'm the first to admit that I'm not consistent in my beliefs. For this reason I give others a fair degree of leeway. it's a much calmer way to live my life and I' run less risk of suffering a back up of anal retention or an apoplexy embolism.
You seem to have some kind of bee in your bonnet today and you're coming across as quite nasty actually, which fortunately I am finding quite funny/ cute.
and you should do whatever makes you happy and relaxed in life. but please don't feel the need to pretend you actually like me the majority of the time. it's really fake and you're under no obligation to act like you love everyone.
Oh, so we're doing this here are we. Ok.
I find you really odd today. you genuinely seem to have flipped in some way. I do like you, of course I do. that's also a very odd thing to say. I don't hide my dislike for people very well, so believe me when I say that you'd soon know if I didn't (I would mostly ignore you. I can do that form now on if you'd prefer, you certainly seem to have revealed your true feelings for me, which considering the things I've done personally to try and help you and your boyfriend in recent years re jobs and accoommodation, I find quite hurtful and ungrateful. you wee wench.)
I am self absorbed, I know that. I quite like it- I haven't always been this way, but since living a bit more in MY life instead of in or through others, I'm so much happier. I make no aplogies for it, but I must say I find it quite funny that you feel the need to tell me this though- and odd, given that you're not exactly unwrapped up in yourself either, I don't see that as a fault though.
I'm hoping this is a blip, I have enjoyed being friends with you. I didn't think that meant I had to agree with things that you say that I find preposterous though.
"things I've done personally to try and help you and your boyfriend in recent years re jobs and accoommodation"
i assume this is referring to when your friend was looking for someone to rent their room out to and you passed on my boyfriend's details. you once also offered to help him find a job. both are nice things to do (and very in character, i see you always going out of your way to help people). but don't think they really excuse going on a tirade about him calling him "that autistic boyfriend" and making it pretty clear you don't like him (again, not that you need to like everyone).
and the thing i find self-absorbed is your proud expression that you just say whatever you want (e.g. "cretin") cause it makes your life easier. completely disregarding what disabled people (including people with specific conditions) actually say is alright. but it's less for you to care about and you even seem to get some delight in it, like you're being naughty or something.
i think you get an easy ride on here cause people are scared of you. had it been another user disparagingly using "cretin" even to be 'ironic' or 'teasing' i think someone might well have said something.
i don't think you need to agree with anything i say in order to be friends with me. i've just noticed an increasing amount of your comments towards me being along the lines of "you know i think you're great but..."
you seem to think me in this thread is some weird aberration in my personality. really don't know where you get this from cause it's kinda exactly the same as i always am. if you don't like me in this thread then when the hell do you like me?
that she managed in one post there to be more patronising than all of mine put together. I consider my thunder well and truly stolen!
are you annoyed that i reminded you of your weird disablist rant that you never acknowledged or apologized for?
but it's really nice of you to bring it up now! Cretin.
if ever there was a time for a post to post too soon.
I finished that off with (please know that cretin is being used to tease you, safetywink.)
not to rant, I rant all the time and I say terrible things. But I'm quick to apologise where I've stepped out of line, always. and I genuinely don't know what you're talking about, so can only conlude I was birling drunk when I said it- literally no recollection. perhaps if you have an issue with it you'll take it up with me over pM and I can make my apologies to whoever might be offended.
I'm beginning to think you might be prtesting too muych in this thread? Riddled with syph, are we?
(too far? Ok I'll get my coat. So bored with this thread now anyway.)
I'm really just saying that:
1) context is important and not always apparent to everyone (I couldn't believe anyone thought you or Pegfeet were being serious in that other thread, but I also know nothing about your sexualities either);
2) these debates don't really function if we suddenly shift gears between "my joke's obviously a joke" to "your joke's obviously offensive". (That's not directed at you, it's a comment on the way we all discuss these matters on here sometimes.)
Come on, man. I'm ALWAYS banging on about it. It's basically all I post about.
"I'm not really interested in analysing the two instances for similarities or differences"
haha why did you bring it up then?
Not trying to start another one. Thanks.
Fidel pretended to be to try and make a point.
(no idea why I'm responding in earnest to someone with such a rich and horrific history of trolling as pigfoot tbh)
Just subtext. :)
DD replied to a post with some ^this's.
The people who had already posted in the thread or This'd the post replied to each other.
hardly ganging up on.
This thread is obviously a massive mess, with people debating whether or not Lucien/still_here are pure evil in amongst DD making what I thought was a general point about humour directed at people with STIs. A surprising number of people seemed to be against that point, is all I'm saying.
someone made a flippant joke, another person took it too seriously and derailed the thread
Wasted 10 minutes reading through that shite: cheers
Making jokes about STIs - bad
Making jokes about never using protection - totally fine
Struggling to see how they aren't one and the same.
the joke was obviously, OBVIOUSLY, about the bullshit stats propagated by drink aware. The bit about having unprotected sex was a statement of fact relating to my actual experiences, not a joke.
just enjoy the ride
turned out I didn't
EVER CHANGE < 3
it's down to each and every individual to decide how to judge others. I really don't like the idea of diminishing people's sense of ownership over the events in their lives for the sake of avoiding offence.
but I love the solemnity with which you deliver your views sometimes. It's refreshing and cute.
as ever, there isn't a universally-applicable rule and responsibility can be allotted on a case by case basis
which, I admit, I missed. Sorry bammers, glad you're okay :)
waiting for hours at a gum clinic was super not fun though the sense of relief when I got the all clear message weeks later was pretty great.
and then we're awarding the points.
Why shouldn't you eat your girlfriend's peas?
.(I'm actually going to have to google for the punchline, I know it's so obviously but I can't remember it. shit. brb.)
I think we should delete the thread. I got thissed by brusma :(
*bathes in bleach*
nuke it from orbit
bit exhausting but loads of things to get ahold of at once
going to leave it.
those who suffer from premature ejaculation problems?
where joking about syphilis = stigmatizing AIDS
Why am I still looking at it? I'm to blame for it continuing to breathe as much as everyone else
DD is like Dominic Cork. Infuriating when you're opposing her. But a joy to behold when you're on the same team.
Here is a list of four items.
Identify which doesn't belong with the others:
d. A lawyer
ANSWER: .... coming up
Syphilis. It's the only one you can get rid of.
Are you implying that lawyers are like STI's?
All it takes is one drink.
posting how many hours and minutes were left til hometime?
in posts anywhere. lol.
QUITE the spreadsheet let me tell you
and they're pretty sincere x
dismissive lol, no offence, can't believe people don't understand - the hallmarks of smug condescension.
Obviously I'm saying that as someone who's perfectly capable of being a smug, condescending arsehole without resorting to any of those things.
never gonna stop
bad statistics, or stats twisted to suit whoever's saying them
man, bane of pretty much anyone's life with a brain
and as for stats like this that don't even try to do anything w/r/t causation and what actually causes what
let's talk stats, eh
The time to treat this issue with serious discussion and analysis has passed: you need to be taking offence and flying off at random tangents
i suspect there's less interest in the abuse of statistics for nefarious purposes by those seeking some kind of gain for the beliefs than there is interest in *gestures upthread* that stuff
Had you been drunk by the age of 13, if so, on what alcohol?
and boy was I drunk. Trousers pissed, shoes lost, auntie and uncle sworn at - XMAS RUINED.
and a can of Stone's bitter.
Homemade LOSE more like.
at least that's what I remember from being young, finding fruit wine delicious, and then, with regret, realising that I'd have to man up an start drinking whiskey (which I didn't initially like the taste of), or I would remain a child or become a feminine man (I know I know, but it was before I was a teenager, and my uncle tried to encourage me to be more 'manly' (I was brought up by mum alone)
so as a kid i would have hated whisky or gin or rum but vodka was easier to drink
fucking loved rum.
accused of having a problem with it by friend, who also thought it was ok to tease me and say it was a 'gay drink' because it rhymed with bum.
tricky times for the straight drinker
which by logic rhymes with queer?
Also, girls have bums. I don't think it was a particularly well thought out arguement
arguement. you heard me.
no that feels really wrong sorry creaky
it will wear you in
and all because i made a joke about statistics..
in that respect
making jokes about syphilis = crass, unfunny
DD in this thread = worst sort of opportunistic joke-shaming, see also how she lambasts marckee upthread
stigmatisation of serious discussion on hilarious comedy forum DiS = dismal
I was listening to a podcast earlier, a woman found out she had HPV and wanted to check if it would be okay to pee in her GFs mouth without passing it on to her.
The expert said it was fine and she wouldn't.
(HORACE runs through the door, almost destroying the fragile hinges -- sticks a record on (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsvkCsuhoDQ) and starts dancing)
HORACE: (dancing) a-lalalla-de-daaa
HYLDA: Oh Horace, I haven't seen you in such a good mood since that blimp full of Findus Crispy Pancakes crashed in our back garden
HORACE: Oh! Hylda! I *am* in a good mood! Such a good mood! I've had... oh I've just had the best news!
HYLDA: Oh jiminy! What's the news, Horace! What's the news?
HORACE: Best take a seat, Hylda! This is news that's good for both of us! Oh jiminy, yes it is!
HYLDA: (sits down, legs fidgeting) Oh! Do tell! The excitement is killing me!
HORACE: Ok... ok...
HYLDA: Come on! Pleeease!
HORACE: Oh, alright then! I just found out from a professional that it's fine for me to piss in your mouth! Toniight if you want!
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPGcpIXeA-4 and HYLDA's face shows a bewildered expression)
HORACE: I've been drinking Dr. Pepper all day!
But giving you all the clap seems pointedly cruel at this point.
whether there were any syphilitic indications detected in still_here's posting, the findings will be posted at 1am on the errors & suggestions board
Feels like only yesterday we had a 100+ thread off the back of darwindude choosing/pretending to take offence at an obviously inoffensive joke she would otherwise have made no mention of had it not been made at the expense of one of her internet friends or made by someone she didn't like
As usual, the biggest bellends on here being huge bellends then crying about people calling them up for being massive bellends. Quite a few of you should seriously consider the advantages of having a full-time job of work.
but I think it's the shittest thread we've ever had
Move along now.
Crisps will be discussed in another thread.
in relation to the OP: http://www.tylervigen.com/
I mean this is what this thread's really about right?