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that would just about do it.
it was so piss-weak. Terrible characters. Terrible plot. Terrible everything.
The sequence where they are woken up from suspended animation having signed up for a job they all knew nothing about is simply embarrassing to watch.
My favourite part was when Idris Elba convinced his crew to sacrifice their lives to stop the alien from going back to destroy their homeworld. There was no guarantee that the destruction was inevitable, its power was unknown and yet they signed up for certain death with less thought then they'd give to changing their gas supplier.
Well put saps.
when the likelihood of a much much much more tech advanced race that has such frightening tech of being able to destroy all that you know is pretty damn certain.
You know Im not even going to cast aspersions about your character because I don't believe that you wouldn't do that, of course you would.
I seem to remember it going something like this...
Idris: "Lads, we need to plough fuck out of that spaceship, ye's game?"
Pilot 1: "Nae bother boss!"
Pilot 2: "Yeah, I've never had any reason to doubt anything you've said in the past"
Also, would you not try and find some way to stop this ship with the tech advanced race with the ability to wipe out your civilisation WITHOUT killing yourself? At least exhaust all other options.
It was ridiculous.... ridleyscottulous!
ye as if two pilots are not going to have asked any questions or gleaned any of the shit that's gone down, whilst all the previous action has been unfolding (pilots are well known for their capacity to be kept completely in the dark and not talk with any of their comrades)
IDRIS WAS JUST SUMMARISING/VERBALISING WHAT THEY HAD TO DO AS A TEAM
second point.....so you think it would have been more realistic for them to (in the A team style) construct some improv catapult to take down a much larger more advanced ship
WITHIN ABOUT 10 SECONDS
would that be more realistic?
didn't you get that there was a sense of urgency?
Your catapult comment pretty much sums up your weak argument.
Up the road mate, yer tea's oot.
like what? I mean come on then, you come up with a suggestion of what else they could do?
perhaps if you substitute the word catapult for proton bean or laser? obviously they currently do not possess ship bourne weopons, are you suggesting that they would be able to knock up a beam weopon that could destroy a far advanced craft in less than a minute? your lack of addressing my point about how else were they meant to stop it, is instead indicative of your weak argument
I didn't say they were following orders.
I said he verbalised what they had to do as a team, they all realised this too, he wasn't 'ordering them' you're not very empathic if you can't understand humans to that extent
2. It was by no means certain
3. What hanshotfirst says below pretty much sums it up.
Lazy film-making by numbers of the worst kind.
(Im sorry, do we live in alternate logic universes?)
re 1. just to reiterate, you wouldn't sacrifice yourself to save the whole world? Possibly when you might have mum/dad/brothers/sisters/nieces/nephews/sons/daughters/friends/teachers/lovers back home? you would prepare to be homeless and alone bereft of female company in a happy threesome with your captain and co-pilot?
soldiers and other people sacrifice themselves for very very uncertain outcomes (just slight probabilities) for much smaller goals than saving the whole earth.
rather than a saps/hanshotfirst type
(I still think that you would)
That was the black guy, the Asian guy and the Latino guy who died, right? To save the rich and/or well-educated white people? OK then!
Also, their answers for the questions that really pissed me off (like "why didn't Vickers go to the side?") are just unsatisfactory. "Wouldn't you run in a straight line away from the thing that's rolling towards you?
Medpod bit is fair enough, though.
Still a dreck film.
people are portrayed panicking and not doing the most sensible thing that would save them from the jeopardy.
Adrenalin promotes and enables flight or fight. not pause, think, consider.
Some people can remain calm under extreme sudden stress and they can be very useful, because not everyone does this, some people panic and do irrational and not life saving action.
Im sorry to do this in a childexplaining type way, but you don't seem to have understood the concept of panic
(Im also guilty of this in many many tv shows/films.....my internal monologue is "why have they not picked up the gun? you'd take all the guns you could with you?" )
or are they all constantly panicking? I'm familiar with the idea of blind panic, but all too often the crew display none of the qualities which you would SURELY test them for long before embarking on this mission?
It's been so long since I saw the film that I don't really remember much of it, but they all just spend the whole time doing stupid things that snap any suspension of disbelief all too often. I just remember this feeling of getting into the film a bit, but then suddenly they'd do something shit and totally dispel any tension.
Besides, they're all 2-dimensional dickheads. You'd root for Noomi Rapace's character even if she was just a bit less of a dickhead than the rest, as they're all twerps. Why should you care what happens to them if they're all just cardboard cut-outs of characters rather than anyone that's worth giving a shit about?
That said, if the next film is just her and the robot, I'd watch that. They're both pretty great.
in fact the opposite, she is there due to her dynastic position.
Was that she wasn't so much killed by the falling ship, or by panic, but by the writers. The script had no further use for her, so it did her in. You can see the strings, and it's clumsy.
all the stupid decisions made by the characters were there because the writers couldn't properly move the plot along. It works in Dumb & Dumber, not so much anything else.
I don't think it's a *bad* movie, but it has a lot of minor gripes that are otherwise negligible on their own, but eventually start to pile up and sink the film (see also: Dark Knight Rises). I honestly can't imagine anyone defending the film with a straightface.
Two minutes later:
'Hey, a terrifying alien vagina snake! Here, kitty kitty!'
wanna come on board? What, why are you killing us all?
Look there's a worm coming out of my eye, should I tell anyone? Probably not it'll be fine, wait why am I dead?
Hey Alien I hear you created us a.........why are you power slamming me?
Hey spaceship rolling forwards I'll just run the same way, wait why am I crushed?
Hey old guy who we thought was dead but is actually in stasis, what's happening pal? Wait, why are you fucking Guy Pearce in the worst make up I've ever seen?
of his character in some of the promo material. But none of that made it into the actual film, so why cast someone who's decades too young for the role?
You know who they should have got? John Hurt. Own goal, Ridley.
after thefinal edit...........so you think they're therefore going to go back and refilm every sequence he was in?
Apparently its easier to make a young guy look older rather than the other way round, hence Guy Pearce.
I think it would have been a bit freakier if they had used Lance Henrikson or Ian Holm for Weyland, thus making us think he was used as a template for synthetics, and that the Bishop in Alien 3 must have been a synthetic too.
I agree that the aging used on Guy Pearce looked weird....but then again maybe that's what being in cryo for such a long time did to old people........which is where Weyland was when he was reputedly dead.
So why not have two actors playing him, Guy Pearce for the younger one and someone else for the old?
Actually, why bother with the promo stuff, since nobody seems to have seen it...
I was referring to footage that was not used in the film
this is a smallish new alien animal species, which he obviously thinks because of its size is not so frightening, also it is implied that it has some sort of allure over him (by the entranced look on his face)
(Here look at Philip the cat http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/44/4a/e0/444ae060cdadbcad9c689a8c560367a5.jpg)
and if I recall correctly, was clearly acting aggressive. So yes, I am going to go with "pussified scientist who thinks a space cobra doesn't look intimidating" is the writers making a character act stupid and/or inconsistent with past behaviors in order to move the plot forward.
I nearly got to the end of the film willing to give it slack, but Vickers' death was so ridiculously lazy stupid I stopped bothering about the numerous plot holes and odd bits of behaviour.
is that 99% of the people who watch the scene are taken out of the film to wonder why they are not running to the side. People in the cinema shouted 'run to the side' when I saw it.
if the film had been written by people who were better at writing films they would have realised that this is a terrible thing to happen at the end of their film. have them running along a ridge or something. or even better, add some kind of sign or character beat that vickers was panicking (while shaw kept her head). just so weird that this stayed in after numerous screenings and changes.
perhaps they kept it in because of the filming of it.
Theiron was reputedly absolutely knackered filming this cos she was a heavy smoker and had to run in a costume in loose ground.
and remake the last two seasons
I can't believe I'm still getting trolled by this piece of shit film. Seriously fuck you Creeky.
most of them are dumb questions
How am I trolling you to annoy you?
Are you obligated to open and read every single DIS thread?
or do you actually enjoy the annoyance? Are you, in fact a bit masochistic?
truly the worst film I have ever seen, kinda think ridley scott should have been brought to the hague for that one
Don't bother making a 28 minute video to prove it's good though, looks a bit defensive.
they're easy enough to lure in (see wilykits post ^ ;D )
You're a mook.
(do I use 'just trolling guize?' normally? I don't think I do this at all, and anyway im just being ironically flitty)
32 seconds in and it says the answers will be in 'deleted scenes, making of documentaries and director/writer commentaries' so basically not in the actual film itself. thats not a very good defence.
might make a video about this video.
the next point about the planet not being the same one as that at the beginning of alien, don't think anyone things that is a plot hole, just think people think it is stupid to have the space jockey at the end exactly the same as the beginning of alien but then saying it is a different planet, just really unsatisfying basically a prequel but not actually. don't think there is any possible development in the sequels that will make it makes sense that that is not the same planet, and I believe it was relatively late change once they decided to make a big deal about it not being a prequel to alien.
so far none of the questions are actually the big criticisms thrown at the film, none of them are even ones that are mysteries at all. totally trying to undermine the critics by misrepresenting their view.
'what is david eating and why?'
If you really need everything addressing and do not have adequate enough imagination to fill in a logical explanation for yourself
my point was they presented that as some kind of question the critics would raise, it is a completely trivial point that doesn't need any explanation, making out that these are the kind of points the critics have with it is an attempt to make them look stupid.
I can sort of see what you are
and what others think is invalid criticism, because I actually think that a lot of criticism that you may think is valid is invalid, these video guys might also think that, thus just address all the criticisms.......if there were just a couple of pertinent (but still answerable questions) in their eyes, then they might not have felt the need to go over the top with answering them all.
As it is, because there is such a barrage of unecessary (in our eyes 'whys?' we address the questions as one kind of thing, its difficult to assess the veracity of them and think, hmmm do I want to answer that one or is it too low-brow........I don't think that defenders of the film will be considering like this, I think we are now just supplying answers to questions that people should not be getting hung up on
what were you watching?
The Engineer at the end is lying dead ON THE FLOOR of the escaped section of the Promethius (an earth vessel)
In Alien the space jockey(engineer) is in his seat/recliner, dead in an engineers craft
oh, I've not seen it for a while. still seems like a cop out, to make something that could easily be a prequel and then decide its not, its just a similar set of events, why not just make it a prequel.
Thought it looked great.
Some terrible plotting.
If you left your brain at home it was OK.
The rest of it was pretty dull sorry
Also for some reason I sort of expected the Alien to be in it which was a disappointment.
Might watch it again with my brain turned off.
Tell you what though (part 2): it has an irritating retroactive impact when you go back and watch Alien. Knowing that the Mysterious Space Elephant was a silly wrestler and everything.
It causes some kind of shut down safety procedure to activate.
we should be about ready to admit that ridley scott has no idea what he's doing and stop expecting his films to be good.
'the most lucious pussy in all of christendom'?
that is a mistake.
Also the post the spaceship rolling (onto Vickers) Davids head has not appeared to move (unless there is an artificial gravity field within the ship that isolates it from its outside situation)
Also to be fair, if this is accepted as a criticism, then it is a criticism that should be levelled at everyother sci fi film set in space that has not had different gravity (or had an adequet explanation that they have some artificial gravity field in play)
(which is really a huge oversight by all films, as anti/alternative gravity is actually the real real biggy if we were to talk about interstellar space flight.......we are rather a long way about how to create such a thing, we do at least consider the propulsion more
people only attack the (many many many) plot holes BECAUSE it's a bad film.
If it was any good people may have been more forgiving.
Till I saw who the poster was
It is true
I wish I could be normal/sensible
Just like you
Main reasons it was a bad film, didn't care about the characters at , so their fate and self sacrifice meant nothing(compare that to aliens with the hand grenade which has a lot more impact). Although it being a sci do where realism is not to be expected the main issue is the characters motivations, they do things that progress the it that make no sense(it is here where there is a wealth of things to pick at, I'm sure explanations can be made it is fiction after all it doesn't make it work). Finally it has a few potentially interesting threads but are way too underveloped. It doesn't really work on any level, not even big dumb scifi action level.
If I get two hours' worth, then I guess I break even!
it had some pretty effects, but was mainly a bit silly and disappointing
'Characters make plot-motivated decisions, not character-motivated.'
That summarises this film, and most of the recent 'convoluted' films too(Star Trek Into Darkness, Dark Knight Rises, Skyfall). Stuff just happens, scenes don't follow on from each other.
For instance: Noomi Rapace is being held down by scientists because she's carrying a squid baby. She escapes, by bashing their heads in with a metal bin. She runs off, then gives birth to a squid monster by c-section. Nobody follows her, she does this alone. Then she wanders back to find Guy Pearce in oldface.
All the scientists are there. None of them says to her, 'hey, congrats, how's the squid baby?', or 'holy fuck, is your abdomen just stapled shut?', or 'OW that was my FACE you cow'. The previous scene only happened for her, it didn't happen for anyone else.
And she doesn't even mention the fucking giant alien squid baby - as soon as she's out of the room, she forgets herself until the end, when it becomes a convenient plot point again.
Film Crit Hulk explains convolution:
if the wall of text hurts my eyes too much to be able to read them.
I get that it's a character thing, but by the caps thing was a terrible design choice.
but people boring on about how terrible they find the all caps thing with this guy is just so grindingly fucking dull
I've never heard of this chap before. I couldn't get through the first paragraph when I clicked on the link because it quite literally hurt my eyes.
Don't see the issue with pointing it out given the link was supplied in support of hexagrm's argument I'm sure the content is great - the amount of text and quality of comments suggests there's a decent argument somewhere in there - but it's unreadable and so doesn't really do anything to support hexagram's post.
Go get yourself a pint or something :)
it grinds me a bit because his ideas and writing are actually REALLY REALLY EXCELLENT don't deprive yourself here just embrace it
Or things like http://www.textfixer.com/tools/uppercase-lowercase-text.php to sort out the caps.
It's kind of realistic - you wouldn't be able to talk to the Hulk without being deafened, so this is like the text equivalent of earplugs
now I like the Raid. But to suggest that this is a paradigm of realism is very false......the whole thing is sooooo set up....soooo staged......but I can still enjoy it.
The corridor machete fight was the most aesthetically pleasing, but the final 'tag team' fight was just as unrealistic in the amount of punishment that the combatants took as anything else, and the timing whereby when one of the good guys went down the other was there to prevent the baddie from killing him, until that good guy went down, but just at the right time the other good guy has recovered enough to continue.....ad infinitum.........that was just as staged and plot or film scene driven in its own way.......but like I said I thought some of it was thrilling.
Incidentally here is Tom Yum Goong's restaurant fight scene (the uncut fight scene starts at about 42 seconds and then is a fantastic demonstration of directorial and choreography, I don't think you will ever see anything better, its not the most thrilling fight in the film, but the organisation is unbelievably sensational, check out how many he throws off the balcony, yet there is not a safety net/bag in sight (they didn't use
the raid is a good film so it doesn't matter, we understand why they are fighting, the lack of realism doesn't matter, it heightens it rather than detracts
But totally believable at an emotional level: each character has a good reason to be in that fight.
The brothers are fighting for each other, bonding through choreographed violence. The bad guy is called Mad Dog and he likes fighting. This sounds flimsy, but we've seen him get in a big fight just because earlier, so this works for him too.
So while it was overlong and definitely a plot beat (Yama and Andi beat the miniboss, can progress), it was consistent with the characters we'd seen.
Vickers getting squashed because she forgot she's in 3D, or Rapace forgetting she'd just given birth to a squid are not consistent with the characters, they're consistent with script-inflicted amnesia.
Copy/paste the text into Word, then do Shift-F3 once or twice. That changes the case, from UPPERCASE to lowercase to Sentence case, I think.
You've made us all think and argue about a rubbish film.
And on reflection you must now realise you're wrong.
Be the bigger guy, just like marckee, and say you're sorry.
plot holes and bad dialogue (which really should have made me hate it) but I liked Elba, Rapace, Fassbender and Theron's characters and I enjoyed it for the most part. Still miles better than the AVP films though - I mean, making a decent Alien film died after Aliens didn't it?
also, I accidentally reported this thread instead of clicking Back to Social. Sorry!
alien3 is underrated
law of diminishing returns
She wants to be a film critic when she's older so it's important she watches terrible films as well as good ones.
She thought much of it was hilariously bad although she agreed that it does look beautiful.
What I'm basically saying creaks, is that the film is now fresh in my mind so if you want another pasting then come out swinging.
He liked the strong female characters and Idris Elba. Didn't mention plot holes, inconsistent characters or giant squids.
This wasn't a terrible film by any means - it was nearly excellent, scuppered by a bunch of stupid stuff that makes it hard to take seriously (imo). It's beautiful to watch, and some of the performances are great (Fassbender especially).
It was so close to being good that it's really annoying that it wasn't! It's more fun to criticise this than a flat-out bad film because it had so much potential.
It just feels like two completely different drafts of a script, alternating scenes from each all the way through.
Fassbender is very watchable I agree and it does look stunning.
For me though there are so many problems with it. Characterisation and plot issues abound and for me they make the film almost completely unsatisfying, robbing it of any tension, drama or emotional engagement. I can only watch it out of intellectual curiosity, wondering just how it went so badly wrong.
But this is a terrible script done really well. The cinematography is lush, the engineers and xenos look creepy and great, and the acting is decent all round. The effects are tremendous - the squid birth scene is tense as hell in the moment.
But all that's undermined by a script full of plot holes, inconsistently-written characters and obvious 'magic' (black goo that does whatever the scene requires).
Just goes to show that a bad script won't make a satisfying film, regardless of the talent or cash you throw at it. Hopefully, Marvel saw this and promised Joss Whedon a gold house for every film he writes.