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Says Nigel Farage:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/nigel-farage-theres-nothing-wrong-with-white-people-blacking-up-9823608.html
and other people being bad to others.
If it wasn't for that then it wouldn't be bad, but bad stuff did go on, so it is bad.
I suppose Farage's confusion may arise cos of something in the above.
he probably imagines that he exists in a vacuum. (which co-incidentally, Dr Brian Cox is talking about at the moment on BBC2)
Chamber is demonstrating on the telly currently.......(just to make sure we could put him under the bowling ball)
cause it's racism by default?
the problem is that there isn't just some context, it's that the very states of whiteness and blackness are defined by insurmountable oceans of context
Someone who was innocent and ignorant of everything in the world (like always been asleep and then just woken up)
could do it and be innocent, and this might kind of challenge the concept that racism is not dependant on intent but on how it is (or how likely it is to be) recieved
except that the 'states of whiteness and blackness' are externals which then get to affect peoples states of minds differently according to the 'actors' in their life and (possibly) their (birth) characteristics.
Mimicry is very natural and in human society manifests itself as
'mockingness designed to belittle or offend or to divide' or as
'condescending cultural misappropriation which may be insulting due to shallow ignorance or patronising attitude' or as
'aspiational w'self hich ranges from 'naff wannabeism' (I say naff because I know that DIS hivemind hates white rastas) or
as 'self loathing' (I really do not like the suit and tie look, I would far rather sport the 'pawnee native American' look as in 'Dances with wolves' or just plain 'affectionately'
I think that ideally we should all be able to mimic and dress up however we want if we do not have malicious or uncaring intent......but we do not live in that ideal world.
Very very occasionally it may be a positive thing to mimic in a mocking belittling way (such as spitting image with some politicians, or political satire or political cartoons.....although this would become very dangerous as there is no such thing as clear demarcation, and it could soon become dangerous if you decided to use characturism to say portray Idi Amin, as messages you may wish to convey may get confused.
whats the point in saying that in theory it could be Okay'
but my point would be that you HAVE to say this so that you can then qualify WHY it is that a party that definitely DOES have a wiff of racism about it, Is wrong when it condones blacking up, because they are doing it for bad reasons, and even if some ignorant ones in the party honestly they are not intending to be oppressors, then these ones are Soooooo ignorant and so lacking in empathy, about how the world is, that it is dangerous that they should have any publicity and ability to influence others
I think not, mere mimicary is not ist, otherwise all animal mimicking behaviour is bad, and mimicary is an inherent part of human behaviour, we may choose to not do it often, but we all do it at some point, if we didn't we would not learn to speak or use facial expressions, or even have culture.
Of course to any practical degree there will never be a case where someone can be innocent of blacking up given the context.
But I think that we have to consider that it could be innocent (if someone were just awoken from a sleep they had been in all their life)
so that we can therefore attack Farages argument and defeat it on the terms, upon which he falsely bases his claim, he probably doesn't care, but there maybe some that are UKIP curious who might be swayed.
when I said without context, I meant like if there were no signifiacant past or current oppression/exploitation.
but he will try to play the card of innocence, and although it doesn't cut it with us, it will be believed by some, who are merely UKIP curious
Are people in Europe (or wherever) as likely to recognise Farage's name as we are to recognise Marie Le Pen's name?
Just wondering what the rest of the world thinks (if anything) about current British politics.
i must have slept through the week where everyone was slaughtering david cameron for hanging out with people who black up
...right? cos i never heard or read anythign about it till that article
you were probably out busy belittling children or something.
Was he really "forced"? There was some murmurs on twitter etc, but he wouldn't have got into trouble over it. They probably felt taking it down pretending that "PC gone mad" had made them do it was more worthwhile politically than letting a crap song go nowhere. Then there was the bollocks about part of it going to the Red Cross, who actually said that they wouldn't have been able to accept the cash anyway.
As for blacking up, it is a fucking minefield. Some cases it is OK, others not.
Which is very effective to have that in mind whilst watching that youtube