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Over someone with a 2:1?
There's lots of other things that employers are interested than just your degree classification.
2:1 + work experience >>> 1st + no work experience
and I won't be graduating until I'm 23/24 :/
By work experience does this mainly mean full-time work though? All I've done is some very, very part-time work from home involving brief filing jobs which I was paid peanuts for.
Most of my friends have been in full-time work since 18/19 and are already becoming financially independent and having their futures mapped out. I don't have a clue what I'm doing yet.
Don't worry about it.
It means work experience in something related to your degree. e.g. internship / voluntary placement / summer work.
in something that will give you as much exposure to an organization as possible, with as many responsibilities as possible.
It's totally fine.
but I like the slight feeling of smugness I have as a result of having obtained a 1st.
attracting a mate.
coz it marks you out as someone who will willingly give up every waking hour of your life to achieve your goals
Elsewhere: depends on the type of job, and the volume/quality of candidates applying. But usually: not so much.
I'm an academic (at a university better than where I did my undergrad) and my 2:1 didn't mean a huge amount. I doubt there are many of my colleagues who have 1sts, definitely the exception rather than the rule.
When I'm recruiting researchers now their classification doesn't mean very much in the grand scheme of things.
It might be different in other academic areas but I doubt it really.
and also on the university I guess.
The things that I'd say are more important for academia than undergrad classification:
- undergrad institution and subject (e.g. a first at Bolton << 2:1 Oxford)
- postgrad qualifications (where, what level)
- major projects/dissertations
- any independent research experience
- placements/work experience
when I said 'continuing in academia' I was thinking more along the lines of Master's/Doctoral candidates. If you're talking ULs/Researchers etc then yep: it definitely matters a lot less.
for Master's level my experience is that it's less important - we're not in the business of turning students away unless we have to and 2:1 is usually perfectly fine (coupled with where they studied and what subject).
Sometimes students who are near a 1st will be given a conditional 1st offer for a Masters just as a bit of a push, rather than have them take their foot off the gas when a 2:1 is in the bag. If they don't get it they'll still tend to get in (that's my experience of MSc courses at a couple of unis).
my 1st pretty much got me my masters scholarship and has helped me get really good references. all the people i know doing phds (in sociology) got 1sts.
I got a 2:1 at undergrad, and couldn't get full funding for my MSc, but got a distinction in that which was the reason I got full funding for a PhD
your funding for a PhD is based on lots of stuff, one of those things is your classification.
I've never been asked about my degree result in any of the interviews I've had post-graduating. They've always been more concerned about work experience.
I suppose it matters for those who want to apply for something like the Civil Service or a Graduate Scheme, which often have minimum requirements and a First makes you stand out a bit more.
If you wanted to go on to further study, a First is often needed to secure funding, but even then it's not a necessity.
I dunno, I'm basing my assumption on the few friends who went through fast stream all having Firsts, perhaps not though and it's just a coincidence?!
and they dont look at what degree you have till you get to the final interviews.
imo the application process is so thorough that it would be quite silly to place much emphasis on a fairly arbitrary number which isnt even a decent comparitor of achievement, let alone potential. dont think they even look at which uni you went to.
all other things being equal.
Whether a first from one university is as good as a 2:1 from another is a different matter, and whether a 2:1 with experience is worse than a first without will all depend on the roles you're applying for.
As long as youre a well rounded human being. If you're a twitching freak with the warmth of a turnip, then you can have 10 1sts and it won't help
both from russell group universities. currently unemployed and didn't get phd funding but at least i get to boast about my academic credentials right :(
mostly just unemployed cause i haven't applied for any jobs
applied to 42 jobs before he got one
lol @ life
nice lad, never would've made it in commercial real estate
people with firsts have worse social skills than those with 2:1s.
if i get a first i'm going to make it v. clear that my awful social skills have nothing to do with my degree.
Only 2:1s. He says people with Firsts have no common sense. 2:1s are apparently more sensible.
Having the financial support to do full time internships or volunteering will be the biggest help. #SOCIALMOBILITY
I've got a 2:1 from a 'good' uni, language skills, work experience and voluntary experience and I'm currently stood behind the till in an off-licence for not much more than min wage. I've sold 2 chocolate bars so far today. I reckon if either I got a first or wasn't a feckless, boring arsehole, then I'd probably be prime minister by now.
and i've totally fucked up any 'career'
so - whatevz
but yeah - get soem work experience - much much much muchmuch more important i think
munch munch munch munchmunch at first.
This is now the lunch thread.
Same as yesterday, more falafel again, one more days worth and I can move onto an exciting new lunch option
or are they selling that in shops now?
even grated my own carrot
did you crush your own chickpeas too?
balonz told me
I didn't have quiche.
I had a santa fe chicken salad. It was nice/10.
honestly, in your heart of hearts?
I got even go for a own brand mini quiche lorraine now.
What say you?
An extra wall of pastry. No one's going to argue with that. Maybe a pot of something in the middle.
we should open a pop up stall somewhere and make our millions before other people cotton on.
Could do various different things in the pot, like guacamole, brie or chips
If we're going to have a pop up you need to up your LME levels, Maosm.
I'll be the face, already got a great idea for a promotional lanyard strap. How does 75/25 work for you? (75 is for me)
we need a name, something that captures the aspirational aspect of quiche that boners like Balonz wouldn't understand. Here are my first thoughts, I've gone for the bellend popup angle:
Jubbly Quiches Oioi!
Juprador (made up meaningless word, people love this shit)
Jupradr (more internet friendly)
I expect another 10 by 17:00 if you want your 20%
I really need these people to get some new salads
ended up with a sainos meal deal which i thought would cost £2 but was £3 at the till and I couldn't be arsed to change it.
marilyn monroe and adolf hitler
As Buzz Aldrin says, "Second comes right after first!"
become a plumber make big bucks. Flip some properties if you like.
No need to thank me.
$i might just become a wedding photographer$. does anyone want to team up?
are they alright?
it's not rarely a two person job is it, unless you're doing video and need sound
you might someone who will do the lighting for you/help you with a lightmeter
i'll carry lenses for £3 an hour
i think its a two person job minimum imho.
wedding videos are stupid imho
i want to find someone else who does it who can take the responsibility/do all the chatting. I'll help them for 0 money
do it yourself, trust me
no way. if they're bad i'm happy to let someone else take up all the bad. i would never diy because i would be bad and i love weddings enough to not be that disrespectful. i would like to do the assisting stuff and secondary stuff where if i'm bad its less important
yes it probably does, because your CV is all they really have to go on. Once they've met you though, it won't matter a jot.
Obvs this is just in my experience and yes, as mentioned above if you're continuing in an academic environment, it's a different ball game.
it's a lot easier to get a first these days. in the olden days when many of you were at university, they only gave them to a few people. now it's more like 10% or something.
also depends on your subject. a 2:1 in a stem subject is proabbly gonna make you more employable than a 1st in social sciences or something. my sister dossed about at uni and went out every night. got a 2:1 in neuroscience, fully funded masters etc. now works in the city and makes loads of money.
No one had got a first on my course for the previous three years (RUSSELL GROUP UNIVERSITY!).
it varies across institutions and subject areas obvs http://www.theguardian.com/education/mortarboard/2012/jan/16/first-class-degrees-concern-update but it'll be interesting to see what happens now that students are seeking 'value for money' and the graduate jobs market is more competitive than ever. so there's pressure on many institutions (particularly newer ones) to award more 2:1s and 1sts. older and more 'elite' unis can afford to be more selective.
85% of students get a first
Not at a 'top 10' one, but the uni is in the top 10 for my course, apparently.
Not too bothered about earning tonnes, but living and working in the city is the dream.
i dont have anything else to add
I had sausage and mash for lunch.
you'll never really enjoy your life if you think about stuff like this
i'd just not think about work or career prospects. concentrate on enjoying your time at uni (and by that i mean: you've got a ton of time just to concentrate on really understanding and thinking about a handful of things. use it to do that. i don't mean do stupid shit like joining sports teams and shit bands. though do that if you want)
and I probably won't ever got one
is my life over?
Should probably just do the right thing and donate yourself to the dogfood factory tbh.
most of them close in November, so they clearly don't give a shit about your final degree
how competitive it is and how they weight the criteria between academic acumen (which tbf, is not alawyas accurately captured by degree), experience and soft/ transferable skills.
it will obviously count for something, unless you are socially inept and the vocational outcome means you need ot be sociaally adept, which is what happened to a lot of my classmates, who went on to write.
And now own 2 suits and a juicer
anything is possible guys
But generally I reckon it would be more benefitial for your vocational or technical courses, everyone's screwed for your creative/humanity courses anyhow.
I mean I suppose it helps if you're going for a grad scheme but beyond that, nah, not at all. I'd rather employ people who have a few years work experience and some concrete achievements behind them rather than some gangly 21 year old who read a few more economics textbooks than his peers at uni.