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what are your views thereof?
I admire their attempts at variety though. Quorn pepperoni? Oh the novelty!
but weirdly have milk/eggs in too tho
They shit on Linda Macs.
I am so mad right now.
Linda McCartney sausages must be at least 90% salt. Are they fished out of the fucking sea or something?
Swedish style meatballs - Fantastic! Use them instead of the normal thing every time now
Sausages - A delight! Not as good as actual sausages but a more than passable alternative
Steak slices - Okay for fajitas and the like but texturally wrong
Mini chicken kievs - Delicious!
Southern chicken escalopes - Not good, too dry
Mince -Textural issues but not too bad, probably will stick to usual mince though
The Quorn stuff is just too mushy
but others say so. Yeah, it is less mushy than Quorn.
is a vego and he would spit his steak out after every take?
It's probably the most interesting thing I've learned today though so thanks a lot.
trounces Quorn in the mince replacement stakes.
also amazed to discover you're a vegeterian, Balloonz. someone needs to produce a picture of an angry balloon being kind to a lamb.
sometimes the product experiments are a bit naff, but on the whole its brilliant, and convenient(when you have children that's essential)
Most non vegetarian dishes nowadays seem to be made with chicken. This means that for conscious teenagers approximations to 'normal food' is easy to attain.
Quorn lumps are my go-to basis for meals, luckily I am quite adept at sauce making and Mrs Knees is brilliant.
Healthy too, no prions, no cruelty, no secret horses
or is there such a thing as healthy processed foods, and quorn is one of them?
Another win for Linda
Held together by egg white. Eggs are currently pretty fundamental to what quorn is.
I used to work near the factory that quorn is produced in. It looks not much different to all the chemical plants in the area, which is a bit off putting (totally still eat it)
Mo gets paid to say he likes it.
that Quorn is part of his regular diet.
Lived with the vegetarian TV for 5 years and couldn't adjust to it. It's taste and texture were both just awful.
The mince is especially bad! I much preferred using lentils as a base for chilis, shepherd's pies etc.
Still, it's very popular and a lot of people like it so it's probably just me.
and fake sausages (not quorn ones though)
not even veggie.
Don't reeeally like quorn mince but there's this dry fake mince that you add water to and it soaks it up (can't remember its name), if you flavour that properly and stuff it's pretty good and dirt cheap.
don't do that.
Textures vegetable protein?
On it's own, a bit like dog food but can be nice if done rightly.
I had to get away from the idea of replacing meat, a veggie diet doesn't work too well with the idea of *something* and two veg. Sausages can work, but then you can get ones made of vegetables which are much nicer. I would avoid Quorn "chicken" therefore. Veggie curry, chilli made with beans, that kind of malarkey is more for me.
I personally find the idea of quorn pretty rank. I'm a vegetarian entirely from an animal rights standpoint, therefore the idea of eating a fake dead animal is awful for me- why would I wanna know what a dead, cooked cow tastes like etc (this is the thing which annoys me about vegan culture the most- there is so much focus on fake meat dishes, even more so than with vegetarians, despite the fact they can't eat quorn. You go to Holland and Barratt and it's all vegan pâté and stuff).
However, pretty much every vegetarian I know eats quorn, and if you're turning vegetarian then quorn must be amazing. I ate quorn fishfingers last year for a uni project and they tasted SO MUCH like real fishfingers, it was very very weird. I used to like fishfingers, but I just felt too weird eating the quorn ones.
I really don't understand this. if it isn't dead animal, there's no issue. just strikes me as a bit precious. not sure if that's exactly the word I'm getting at... needlessly sensitive. no harm comes of it tasting like animals.
it's about perpetuating a culture that makes eating animals 'OK'. I think animals are just as important as humans and for me, I'm commodifying animals if I eat something which is meant to taste and look like them, which feels wrong to me. But that's just my opinion and I totally realise that most people don't feel that way and that's fine obviously.
personally i don't really see quorn as imitation meat (and i think attempts to make things that LOOK AND TASTE EXACTLY LIKE A SPECIFIC KIND OF MEAT is a bit silly in general). even though quorn obv does use that marketing strategy, i now think of it as just its own product that has its own unique taste and texture (which i prefer to most meat) and is good as an easy bulking ingredient for things
how do you feel about veggie burgers/sausages and things like that in general (assuming they're not advertised specifically as trying to imitate meat flavour)? quorn pieces/mince are basically the same principle, just a particular shape/texture that happens to usually be formed from meat but can also be formed from other things
british food culture is still pretty much built around having meat and some carbs on the plate so selling non-animal protein as a meat substitute is going to be the best strategy.
i'm taking too long trying to type this but basically it makes more sense for companies selling this stuff to go for the fake meat angle rather than just putting it out there as a more neutral alternative protein because they can sell it more easily this way and fuck capitalism etc etc
i'm just wondering if calumlynn's problem with quorn/meat substitutes is the meat-oriented marketing or the actual products themselves
also i s'pose i'm ambivalent towards the marketing angle - british food culture is definitely too meat-based and 'fake meat' marketing obv plays into that, but if marketing quorn as a meat substitute encourages people to replace some of their meat consumption with quorn (when they wouldn't otherwise have the knowledge/time/inclination to cook a veggie meal from scratch) then that's probably a good thing
britain still has loads more vegetarians (at least as a percentage of the population) compared to say mediterranean countries where the fruit and vegetables are much better and people will actually willingly eat them - there's more desire to be vegetarian within the uk despite the food culture being based around meat
but i think that the non-animal protein products on the market probably only exist bc of that - there isn't a need for them in places with 20 cent aubergines and artichokes
i agree with you about the advertising but i'd agree with calumlynn in terms of how the existence of the products means the food culture won't change. i just wonder if it's possible for the food culture of britain to change with the generally crappy quality of the vegetables on sale in most places.
been drinking and i keep deleting stuff i'm not happy with so everything i type is really incoherent so i'm sorry
i'm also not an advocate for vegetarianism or anything and i'd just be happy eating good vegetables again like i could living abroad (and probably could living in london if the iranian shops near my parents' house are anything to go by) but for now most of my meals contain meat out of convenience and to make bland stuff taste of something
probably also the issue that lots of british people aren't that familiar with how to make interesting veg-based meals (similar time/economic constraints as cooking-healthy-from-scratch in general). definitely takes a bit more imagination and practise to cook a delicious veggie meal than a delicious meaty one
and you're probably right that it's a good food stuff regardless of whether it's meant to taste like meat. But if I needed a kind of protein thing to bulk a meal up I'd use tofu or chickpeas, though I think the sausages you get with the vegetarian breakfast at Fuel Cafe in Withington (amazing place) are quorn- they just add to the whole fry up and I'm ok with eating them cos I just shovel them in along with all the other stuff on my plate, and don't really notice them as an individual thing.
So yeah, as you say above, they're just a foodstuff like any other. It's both the marketing as 'fake meat' and the fact they try and get quorn to taste like specific bits of meat that I don't like, but if it was just marketed as a protein-y bulky thing for meals then I might be more open to it, although I can't imagine ever preferring it to tofu.
I see sausages and burgers as a format rather than something which is specifically dependent on being or imitating meat. I don't eat any fake meat sausages but I LOVE glamorgan sausages (cheese and leek), and bean burgers rule. Also vegetarian haggis is amazing (it's not meant to taste like actual haggis), I'd recommend it to anyone who hasn't tried it. It's just full of grains and beans and pulses and it's just brilliant, though sometimes difficult to find outside of Scotland or very northern England (around Burns night is the best time to find it).
personally i think it does taste quite a bit like actual haggis... but regardless, i'm not sure how you could say it's different from vegan pate? haggis and pate are just 'formats' of food that were originally based on meat and now have delicious veggie versions, just like burgers
i've only ever enjoyed tofu in restaurants, it's always rubbish and too soft and tasteless when i try to use it in things at home, but maybe i'm buying the wrong kind idk. things like lentils and chickpeas are good but i just like the particular texture of quorn pieces in addition to those things... which is probably partly due to being conditioned to like 'meaty' textures. although they don't really have the texture of actual meat, they're more like processed chicken nugget texture, which is definitely not a good sales pitch, but tbh i unashamedly love shite processed meat texture, so it's really good that instead of eating shite processed meat with all the horrible stuff that goes into it, i can eat something similar but healthy and non-horrific
(i'm also not even a proper veggie, so the ethics of eating imitation meat is not actually that relevant to my eating habits in practical terms, but it's interesting)
the very existence of Quorn works against the commodification of animals; the immitation of meat is a natural consequence of the idea of replacing meat. it's the most obvious way of marketing a protein substitute, a meat alternative that offers much of what it would substitute, without the numerous drawbacks.
however, I would say that it seems, in the eyes of many, to suffer in comparison to meat, and perhaps it might make more sense to redesign it and market it in a way distinct from what it aims to replace. not sure exactly how they might go about that, though.
you guys actually seem to have covered this, I notice. the idea of meat and replacement meat being symbiotic is totally what I'm getting at. I'm not sure there's any getting around that, not in this epoch.
even if something cataclysmic happened, gradually or suddenly, and meat became an even less viable food source, I think lab-grown meat would fill any void (depending on how severe the cataclysm). or just become less fundamental to the general human diet.
the carnivourous trait isn't going away, and that Quorn replicates and caters to that (literally!!1!) is a minor problem. a non-problem, really. the best we can hope for is that the appetite for meat diminishes, and that animals are used less as a physical resource.
although I think it's cool that you're so passionate that you feel the way you do. :)
it's a bit like the arguments around fictional depictions, e.g. violence in games and films. Does going around shooting at people in Grand Theft Auto encourage a generally violent disposition in the `real world`, or does it provide an outlet to dissipate those tendencies. Or for those who saw `The Nether` at the Royal Court: virtual paedophilia.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't think it's impossible to think that (a) animals are equally as important as humans, and that (b) cooked flesh tastes naturally delicious for most people (probably due to biological signals about energy etc. And the evidence on violence in games tends to suggest that virtual experiences don't generally make the same acceptable in non-virtual environments. Though of course, the marketing of quorn products as meat-replacements blurs this line, appealing as it probably intends to for those meat-eaters crossing over (more than lifelong vegetarians like calumlynn).
I think the debate about virtual paedophilia is different to the debate about violence, as there isn't a 'culture of paedophilia' in our media and culture- sexual attraction towards children is most often subject to kneejerk moralistic reactions, and pretty much no-one thinks of it as OK, even if no actual harm is being done. Just today, you have a 26 year old female teacher going to prison for a consensual relationship with a 15 year old pupil- obviously the relationship was entirely wrong and the teacher should be struck off, but a prison sentence/being forced to sign the sex offenders register is an example of how aggressively our culture responds to situations even tenuously related to paedophilia.
The Nether was interesting, and the idea of whether you can 'learn' to be attracted to children in a virtual environment is also interesting, but kind of a moot point unless that translates to being sexually interested in children in real life. And from what I've read (could be totally wrong here though), it's generally accepted amongst psychologists that for people already sexually attracted to children, roleplay is the only safe way for them to be at least partially relieved of their desires. I guess the question is- how far should this roleplay go etc. But when it's suggested that people with these desires should suppress them and can never talk about them or express them in a safe way, that's horrific in my opinion.
However, the debate about violence is very different. There is definitely a culture of violence, in the same way that we have rape culture but even worse. We're conditioned from a young age to think that violence is cool and fun, from toy guns to cartoon violence and 'good vs. evil' moralism in most media- the idea that those who receive violence deserve it. Violence and threat of violence isn't taken seriously by police, and we're still presented with the idea that ultimately, it's up to us to defend ourselves against violence, rather than the violence itself being wrong. The idea of wanting some sort of legal response to, say, being punched in the face, is seen as weak, if you're male at any rate.
Violence is so continually present in the mainstream, in film, TV and videogames, that as well as condoning violence as an acceptable response if you are 'morally' right, it also means that the victims of violence are constantly reminded of what has happened to them. With the majority of mainstream videogames, the only way to actually interact with the game world is through violence. It's not as if this violence directly encourages anyone to be violent, but along with all other violent media, it just adds to the sense that violence is inevitable/natural/exciting. I think eventually we'll reassess this culture of violence and start changing it, but we're a long way from that now. I'd never advocate censorship, by the way, but just an alternative outlook, and for violence in media as the 'norm' to be challenged.
With animals, I think it's a similar thing- it's about challenging the norm and the culture that accepts eating animals is just part of life. To me, being vegetarian is inherently political, it's about challenging the idea of 'natural' diets, challenging the idea that there are some foodstuffs (rather than just nutrients and vitamins) that we have to eat. I personally feel that quorn reinforces the norm, and therefore legitimises meat eating to some extent. But obviously this is me getting carried away with ideology- practically, quorn is brilliant for probably the majority of vegetarians, especially new vegetarians. So I'd never begrudge anyone being a quorn fan!
Anyway, most of that is massively off topic and very TL;DR, your post just got me thinking!
you have to remember ~95% of the population eat meat. When asked why they eat meat, a lot of meat-eaters will claim, through ignorance, that it's because they couldn't manage without it/that their diet would have to be drastically altered if they were to opt out of eating meat. Quorn are specifically addressing those people when they label something as "chicken-style" or whatever, and pointing out they can still eat "chicken" if they become vegetarian.
Longterm vegetarians don't view those "meat-style" labels literally at all; they just know they like eating Quorn products, and that the names of specific products have no bearing on the products themselves, or the buyer's decision to purchase those products.
In an ideal world, eating meat wouldn't be the norm, and things being described as tasting like certain dead animals would seem bizarre, let alone unnecessary.
not that bothered about the mince but i'm not keen on mince in general. big fan of the texture of the chicken pieces, great for adding to curries/noodles/burritos. current top quorn tip: chop up southern fried quorn burgers and mix with pasta, peppers, sweetcorn and a mustardy mayo dressing to make a veggie version of a spicy chicken pasta salad. also works as a sandwich filling
and sausages, and their various pretend slices of cooked meat are pretty good.
Linda McCartney stuff is the best, though. who doesn't like her pies, really. also there are these nice cheese and red onion pastry things. not sure about the pretend scampi, though. weirds me out a bit.
can't eat it
i'll stick with chicken (only meat i eat)
two packs of 8 for £2 and they have 14 grams of protein in each. like less than a penny per gram of protein m8, don't even worry about it. bit of mustard bit of onion on there.
there isn't a sainsbury's anywhere near me nowadays and my quality of life has dropped considerably. In other news, I made a chili with quorn mince yesterday and it's excellent. It has loads of other shit in it (incl. kidney beans) though which is the kicker really. Meals in which the mince is the principal ingredient/focus (bolognese for example) are dogshit with quorn.
if that helps yous.
Waitrose or Iceland are in walking distance, aptly reflecting the fractured economic state of my quaint Midlands hometown
kind of started the thread off-handedly but glad i did (just gone veggie recently)
i try not to eat it very often, though quorn sausages are the best ones so i eat them sometimes
rather than being explicitly for vegetarians or for people who want to cut out meat entirely. i can see waht calumlynn is saying but i think when our whole cuisine is about eating meat, it is very hard to come up with alternatives that dont mimic the 'meat form'.
I think it makes for a pretty tasty burger myself
Quorn scotch eggs - big fan if I eat 1 or 2 then stop. But given that I'm insatiable, ill eat 6/whole pack and they'll start to taste funny.
Same thing with quern ham slices, couple of slices - great. Whole pack - tastes funny
Maybe should stop eating entire packs of food in one sitting...
cause i was stuck in traffic for about on hour. woke up in the middle of the night thinking i was having a heart attack before letting out the biggest fart burp combo i've ever been a part of. had a look at the packaging and it was like 230% of daily salt intake or something.
Quern telco value imitation imitation meat
'e' and 'o' aren't anywhere near each other :D
not a good typing day for ol' S_A eh?
looked into it and apparently a sight of people get allergic reactions to the stuff (vomiting, diarrohea, even more serious stuff).
and apparently it's made from a 'potentially toxic' fungus
HEADS UP, SHEEPLE
Shame, as I quite like the taste. I'll stick to real meat cheers
you've got a crap digestive system I'm afraid.
generally if i eat something a bit off i'll shake it off without getting really sick.
cos i was eating fuck loads of the stuff. I was ravenous for quorn chicken pieces, fuck I adored them. I was making curries, stir frys, wraps with them in all the time, addictive as fuck. UNTIL THAT DEVILISH GUT ACHE. Not had it since.
i'm not a vegetarian any more but still replace meat almost whenever i can, i prefer mushrooms and chunky courgettes into those meals now as opposed to meat substitutes.