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single link to a telegraph thinkpiece without even so much as a "hmm, interesting?"
I ain't got time to troll.
Seriously though, lots of fun stuff in that article. Pure DiS.
"I don’t even drink caffeine as I can’t handle how it makes me feel"
the SECOND bit of this sentence:
"My boyfriend bakes bread, while his sister has been hosting sushi parties since she was 14"
is how she lumps her friends in with that statement.
None of these people appears to have any interest in leading any kind of fulfilling or adventurous life. That's where all the good stuff is.
Each to their own, really. What I do kind of find funny is that whoever wrote this thinks it's completely worthy to mention that she bought a pair of Birkenstocks. You're not the first 24 year old to buy a pair of Birkenstocks, love.
"the centre-left, social-democratic, pro-EU Conservative Party, for whom the Liberal Democrats (the SDP in exile) are natural allies"
being one of them.
Isn't this less about what we do and more about what we'd like others (employers especially) to see us doing?
So - if you're a 23-year-old with a Twitter, Instagram and possibly Pinterest account, you're more likely to post about the lovely tea party you hosted, or the 10K you've just completed, rather than any drug-and-alcohol-fuelled escapades.
if they don't want potential employers etc. to find them.
regardless of whether you lock it down or not.
I think there might be something, certainly, in the *perception* of alcohol consumption changing. There's plenty of "drunk shaming" that happens in the media - maybe some people choose to disassociate themselves with your typical #LAD on Booze Britain... even if they're equally pissed on their prosecco or craft beer, they'll downplay how drunk they were. I dunno.
with their drinking these days.
Almost as if liberalising the drinking laws and having a mature attitude to it reduces its over-consumption...
I know a lot of the right-wing press gets all in a froth about things, but the trend from the mid-90s through to the late-00s of improved sexual education, social and community policing, the liberalising of drinking hours, equality legislation, the improvements in community support and social healthcare and welfare have all led to a younger generation less inclined towards teenage pregnancy (wanted and unwanted), crime, binge-drinking, drug use, abuse and a lot of the other associated problems after decades of the reverse.
Don't think being 20-35 has changed that much since then
Knitting! Dinner parties! Was there a mention of cupcakes?!
The entire thing feels basically like the media dressing up their own previous heavy stereotyping as a norm and saying that the writer and people like the writer are breaking down that stereotype.
When the truth is: women have always had productive lives and not every single woman was out binge drinking of previous generations or 'clubbing'.
DISCLAIMER: skim read the article
people can enjoy both sensible and hedonistic pursuits as part of a balanced life.
I reckon there's been a pretty noticeable shift just in the last five years, tons of people are seem more concerned with what makes them a better product (their looks, their employability etc) than drinking themselves into a black hole. Dickheads.
that's the only thing this article left me thinking about.
This is something I think about all the time. It's so sad how our interests throughout life are so pre-determined, and if we break from that mould it's seen as somehow tragic- you're really boring if you like opera aged 20 and you're really pathetic if you form a band aged 40.
e.g. going to bed at 12, no longer able to handle more than 4 drinks, sometimes won't have coffee.
arbitrary and time wasting.
Most of the people I know who get drunk a lot are exceptionally boring.
I have vowed to become more self-destructive in my 30s than my 20s. It's not that it is fulfilling or nothing just can't think of anything better to do with my time.
people who get drunk all the time are just as boring as the people who brand themselves with all of the really twee things like knitting and being obsessed with charity shops and plants and kids stuff etc. there's no personality
really you're a bit to young to have had kids that have kids hahahaha
for the most part, people are just generally boring
but the people I find the most interesting are the ones who are really into cultural stuff (are into like music/theatre/literature/film as a whole rather than just being an 'indie fan' or something) and are interested in learning new things and will have really in depth and open minded discussions about politics etc- but I'm sure both the 'going out and getting drunk' types and the 'oh look at all these little kitsch ornaments I bought from a car boot sale, also i love drinking tea!' types would think of that as incredibly boring.
I mean unless we're talking about 18 year olds here then by mid-20s everyone is a bit of everything.
And the whole 'rather than being an 'indie fan'' comment kinda suggests you essentially believe that you and your friends are a 'better class' of cultural fan. Which obviously is extremely silly (again, unless you're 18)
as you're probably much lower on the 'cultural fan scale'
you got me
I mean that I like people who have wider cultural interests. It's not a case of being 'better', and people always have some area of expertise I guess, but I often find that people who are super into indie music, or into film or into theatre, are only really interested in that. The most interesting people to me are the ones who don't definite themselves by one particular cultural interest, because if you're only into one thing then you're branding yourself just as much as the 'omg I'm such a grandma' type people.
just that I think you're reading into peoples' interests cynically. Far fewer people are trying to brand themselves than the media would love to believe, they're just paraded out to make other people react.
And a vast, vast, *vast* number of people have general cultural interests. Most people will have open minded discussions about politics if engaged in a way they enjoy. They'll also be drinkers, and they might also have a twee hobby. But people will seize on a twee hobby as a defining nature.
I just find it interesting when people go on the offensive about character traits that make others boring. Because it's normally always bollocks, tbh
I am a horrible cynic sometimes, and far too quick to judge.
because I'm pretty much INTO music, it's what I study for a start, it's what I spend all my time reading about etc. Which is why I don't really want to be friends with people whose only interest is music- if I'm friends with people who are into bits and pieces, culturally speaking, I end up being introduced to loads of stuff I wouldn't have otherwise come across. I don't want music to just be my identity, and I wish I was a bit more rounded than I am.
But my original point was that the sort of people outlined in the article would view more considered interests as boring and the lacking immediacy and viscerality of either hedonism or aesthetically driven twee interests. My point is that 'boring' is subjective really, which is actually a boring point to make!
but I think it's more likely that the twee people indulge in hedonism and the hedonists like cute stuff sometimes, but there does often seem to be a lack of engagement with anything 'difficult' or long term, or which you can't instantly portray via instagram or whatever.
That there isn't really just a silly generational "oh it's cool to not drink this week" fad but a huge sustained dulling commodified culture we're living in that creates a bunch of corporate bum lickers too busy worrying about their social standing/relationship 'status'/career to be actually interesting human beings (no matter what they're into really).
i think getting drunk types are better cause getting drunk is fun and looking at ornaments would be better drunk than sober
cos yeah, they're boring as fuck, but at least they're not being boring as fuck right in my fucking face.
I do feel like an old lady trapped inside a young persons body.
but then i get smashed on a thursday and remember i'm not
I'm sure most people in a knit-and-natter group still get really drunk from time to time
and I'm 24 now. I don't feel like a 'young fogie' or whatever, I like some stuff that other people call twee (like visiting castles, wildlife, Radio 4 etc) but I don't think of it in that way myself. Not drinking or taking drugs definitely doesn't define me- I still go out a bit (cos I'm a mint dancer), I just won't put up with anywhere that plays shit music. The real difference with not drinking is that I very, very rarely end up sitting in pubs with people, which is a proper middle aged thing to do anyway imo.
I've always hated youth culture and the idea that we have to act certain ways because we're a certain age- but the rejection of youth culture by eating fucking cupcakes and doing crochet is just as contrived as youth culture itself.
that's constantly bombarding people through all media
When do these people find the time to watch 'Inland Empire' or listen to albums from start to finish?
Not me so much. But then I'm single and unemployed with a failed music tech degree and approximately zero prospects, so eh.
When I was 16-20 Everyone was getting blasted whether they were younger or older. Now nights out are pretty docile and no-one seems wasted. I like it. people seem alot more caring about how they look and how they come across, so are more sensible. Also, there seems waaaay more emphasis put on bf/gfs which makes people more boring by default. I like young people, they're normally sound.
Because everybody I know, young and old, loves going out and getting blasted
but I'm definitely more interesting than some of the people I've seen who drink with their senses of humour being objectively more boring than mine.
My imagination can be great fun, too. I've had some classic thoughts in my time.
I dunno. What's interesting and what's boring is in the sensorium of the beholder. OBVIOUSLY.
from a bunch of people in their early 20s. suburbanites, eh?
but really though, i think most people are just really dull, but also there's a fallacy in assuming going out and getting wrecked wahheyyy ladsontour is any more interesting than having long conversations about car insurance
(haven't read the article)
to discuss car insurance?