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ok let's all just agree that, while it's fine to enjoy looking at celeb boobs when they have freely shared them, it's really gross to be all 'WHEEEY' about pictures of a woman that have been made public without her consent, the guy who leaked them is a total cunt, there is no debate about this, and we can all just draw a line under this thread right now and have no unpleasantness
great cool cheers thanks.
my procrastination is reaching new lows
don't understand why people use/enable all that shit
Even the replies to this...
what the what
Although it probably still is underneath, like how racism quietly bubbles under in middle class suburbia.
for even mentioning it.
do think it's a lot less awful than 2 or 3 years ago. partly cause a few dickheads have left the boards but i think cause there are generally more articles and things about why sexism is bad, people are starting to listen. also cause its less rubbish, it's actually easier and less time-consuming to challenge each other. also most people on here are grown ups now whereas before we were mostly immature sadcases.
thanks for not sacking this place off and going elsewhere
inb4 she's not going to sleep with you etc jadajada funny guys
but it's ok
is the staggering criticism/analysis of her body from the women.
Ok I'll grant you, if you're not part of the solution etc etc but it's not as bad for me as it could be.
like it's all some pure far-fetched political correctness
Celebrity nude pictures are always so disappointing
If you'd told me a year ago that I'd be looking at Scarlett Johansson's tits, I'd have been fucking landed. Now I am and I'm just thinking "Fair enough".
rhodria | 15 Sep '11, 02:10 | ^ This | Reply
she looks like a lad in the first one.
wrightylew | 15 Sep '11, 15:56 | ^ This | Reply
How come Scarlett Johansson has a reputation for being attractive?
How did that happen?
Zapsta | 15 Sep '11, 15:57 | ^ This | Reply
but pretty, pretty dodgy to perpetuate a version of the 'women are their own worst enemies/critics!!!' thing when there are demonstrably more more nasty criticisms from men in that thread.
thought about writing a big disclaimer about how it was only part of the whole thing but that seemed a bit long-winded tbqh.
"staggering criticism/analysis of her body from the women" makes it out like "the women" were criticizing her for her looks when actually more women posted in the thread not doing that. and as tiramisu says, the "staggering criticism/analysis of her body" apparently comes more from men in the thread.
when you already know (presumably, anyway) that there is a really pervasive myth that women themselves are to blame for sexism, it's probably best to be careful not to promote those ideas.
I'm going to blame 1) posting hurriedly at work and 2) being loathe to say something stupid trying to elecoute something about internalised misogyny.
the three comments GB quoted make me want to stab myself in the eyes, just in case there's any doubt.
lol fidel we're not all the same person
fuck me. in my defence this is 100% in line with the general mental level I'm operating on today.
THIS IS AN ABUSE OF POWER I CALL FOR YOUR BANNING HENCEFORTH AND REINSTATING KING THEO
who are his creep accounts?
is the online equivalent of sticking your knob in an automatic pencil sharpener, but so many of the comments on articles about this are just so........ :(
Feel really bad for her but at the same time if you're one of the most famous woman in the world it's daft to have videos of you taking it up the bum on a icloud storage which is notorious for being easy to hack.
i've rarely received nudes from my george foremans
are more likely to spend weeks/months away from their loved ones than most of us,
I do believe people should protect themselves better in terms of putting sensitive stuff in unsafe places but concede that it's 100% an unhelpful dick thing to say.
Going to shut up now.
which given yr following posts clearly wasn't intentional. Just, gah, my stomach twists at this stuff. Just the thought of it happening to you - like nudes are bad enough, but sexual explicit stuff, it's just...
also there's been a lot of chat about how icloud is not secure enough as if there's any way that the average user should be expected to know this. the tech-savvy looking down on regualr folks, it's pretty gross.
If that's the way it's come across you've 100% got it wrong. I think the whole thing is pretty repugnant to be honest. Realise my later point in damning someone for not being tech savvy, for want of a better term, should have been way down the list of things that I criticised anyone for in the grand scheme of things.
Anyway I'd like to end it here. Apologies.
think you intended it to come across that way.
of 'tech savvy people' and 'people who would gladly share nude photos of women without their consent'.
"tech savvy" people --> o <-- people who would gladly share nude photos of women without their consent
as most of the general population
Even the high and mighty Guardian's story (their most read!) is 'Nude photos of Jennifer Lawrence and others posted online by alleged hacker'.
tabloid move from the guardian
on why it's a bad thing, so they can get double the hits! (and post lots of pictures of an attractive celebrity).
withouth feeling really grubby afterwards.
(and obvs, incredibly poor form of the leaker).
If you were desperate to thrash one out over these actors, there are scores of GQ photoshoots and film scenes that you could access with a few clicks, all geared up for the male gaze. Getting hold of pics like these just makes a bunch of sad cases feel powerful, like they've got one over the super successful actress.
If these big shot celebrities didn't want people hacking their uploads and exposing their nakedness, then they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively.
the thought "ooh, I didn't know she was dating Chris Martin" crossing my mind with no acknowledgement of how insane it is to have that thought, like I know them or sth.
he seems pure wet.*
*based on Coldplay
but this and the transfer window on the same day.
What a day for us nuts readers with record collections.
She seems really nice and its a well crappy thing to do. Poor girl :(
also allegedly 4chan are behind this
fucking entitled pricks, not everything is for you
Sending death threats to women gaming journalists one week*, hacking the accounts of female celebrities to steal nude pictures the next.
*Actually they're still sending the death threats. Bunch of cunts.
it's an anonymous hub that draws in anyone that needs anonymity
it's really noble stuff too like exposing corruption
nor was i saying this or other things that happen there isn't creepy/awful. but the setup is unique in that content like this doesn't necessarily come from a preset group, but rather literally any cunt anywhere.
it's just a lot of people on this forum don't really understand what it is, because for one thing all the shit you hear about comes from one specific board, there's dozens of other boards that are theme focused and not that different to DiS really.
sorry if i did
But the death threats stuff is from /v/ trying to organise some kind of insurrection against the videogame media, which has a really nasty side to it.
I quite like their wallpaper general board.
'leaked' sex videos, photos etc.
they definitely don't become massive news stories in the same way
the key difference is though that the guys have usually freely sent pictures of their wangs to random people. No hacking required.
"weinergate"is probably the one that the media ran with the most, though
also a lot of people probably leak them themselves tbh (chris brown, dappy)
Men showing their penises is fundamentally viewed as empowering to the guy in our soceity.
that people leak the photos themselves.
because chris brown's had just been leaked
"I saw Chris Brown do it and I just thought, ‘You’ve got a little winklepop.’ Then I saw Ashton Kutcher’s one all poking to the side and I just thought I have to do it. I got the Tropicana and ‘pap pap’. Tropicana should give me a deal for that."
it was that he had been sending them to women, which is just a modern-technology version of the classic politician affair scandal. if anthony weiner had had dick pics on a private drive that were just for him and his wife and they got hacked, it might have briefly been in the news but nowhere near on the same scale.
and those links kinda prove the point - maybe it's just me, but i definitely didn't read about any of those in mainstream media. they might have been reported in passing but again, nowhere near on the same scale of SCANDAL
just replying to mits, who said that there aren't ever pictures of men leaked
which he then blamed a hacker for.
also it's kinda hard to differentiate between the ones which were originally unsolicited dick pics doing the rounds. which is really common and something we should probably have a separate thread about at some point...
interestingly, one of my friends recently posted a fb status asking about the ethics of posting an unwanted dick pic someone sent her without consent. she decided against it because posting photos without consent is pretty much always bad (which is what i would have done) but got criticized by a few guys on her facebook for even suggesting it.
personally I'd say you send that shit without asking then it's fair game to be posted anywhere really.
veg not considred some kind of harassment?
if it's just once. but yeah it is sexual harassment.
that people send dicks unwarranted to people everywhere and think it's somehow hugely different to sexually harassing/flashing someone in the street.
I had become newly single just out of university. Started a new job just outside of Cambridge. One of the guys I'd befriended at work a couple of weeks in mentioned that he'd lost all of his music (this was obv before cloud was a 'thing') and could he borrow everyone else's to top up his collection. So a bunch of us gave him our portable drives to copy onto his computer at home. He brought them back the next day.
A week later I realised that hidden in the Saves The Day folder on the drive was a video of myself and my ex. We'd made it in a moment of impulse, and then pretty much forgotten it was on there. So after the break up, it had been left to gather dust within the music backups.
Panicked. Especially since the guy I leant the drive to was a #LAD and I was worried for my own and my ex's sake they'd be shared when he realised what he had. So went round to his on the friday on the pretence of getting hammered. Brought spirits with me.
We were knocking back the shots and I was pretending to get battered a lot faster than I actually was. Got to the point where he himself was drunk as hell, and said he was going to go sleep, and that I could crash on the couch.
Gave it five minutes of silence before hopping back on to the computer, finding the Saves the Day folder, and opening to find nothing. And then from behind me:
"Looking for the sex tape Rob?"
Utterly scared the fuck out of me, and it transpired he'd been extremely aware of my machinations and had been waiting to see how it all played out. Fortunately, although he'd opened it and watched a bit, he'd not been enough of a bastard to share it, and then deleted it.
I say that. I still keep expecting it to ruin my wedding when it turns out it was all a ruse and he's been waiting for the right time.
we watched trainspotting last night and this is reminding me of the bit where he steals his pals sex tape and it pretty much ruins the other guys life. i'm sure you'll be fine though.
that even if he does still have it, no modern computer will be able to actually be able to play the file anyway. Scary to think it might just be sat there though. Brrrrrr.
Have you told your wife-to-be just in case?
but tbh, it was 21 year old me, and she's not a delicate sort so she'd probably just ridicule me while saying 'I do'
"Especially since the guy I leant the drive to was a #LAD and I was worried for my own and my ex's sake they'd be shared when he realised what he had."
you mention it in passing ;)
was too big to upload to tinypic, sadly.
'it transpired he'd been extremely aware of my machinations and had been waiting to see how it all played out.'
from the fetishisation of celebrities in our media culture and the obsession with analysing and portraying women sexually/aestetically.
I don't really understand how wonderful it is to toss off a throwaway comment under a Daily Mail article on someone who's on their way to the supermarket without make-up in a tracksuit.
But I do know that there's a connect the dots between that and staring at a leaked celeb sex tape/nuddy pic.
make way for nuddy
nuddy and big ears
Unlike lots of other nasty crimes that are committed, for some reason the press seem a lot less worried about the perpetrator of this one or whether or not they get caught.
The only legal consequences I can remember being reported about similar cases are Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton having to sue to receive proceeds from sales of their leaked sex tapes, which is pretty fucked-up.
the person that did that was a teenager and went to jail
in that they were leaks from their own camp. Despite what they might have said in public, the legal dispute was about revenue from the tapes, not preventing it from being out there.
Or that their "own camp" includes ex-boyfriends?
If there was any justice, the Jenners would have been put on trial for the things they've encouraged/forced their daughters to do. It's horrible.
Seems pretty tasteless to state them as fact.
Like you just did.
And like I just did now.
Let's push for 200.
I think you're betraying your projecting if you think it's all a subconscious grab for superiority.
Nor did I say it was the entire thread.
I was more referring to people who come in at the end to be superior, like in every thread.
I have a story in this thread that took me ages to type, why would I want to play it down?
"I think you're betraying your projecting if you think it's all a subconscious grab for superiority."
most dis thing to say ever
you're picking "let's give people who condemn sexual violence a reality check"? whatever
I was *talking specifically about RFWare*
And I've specifically referenced a time when I nearly had the same horrible thing happen to me upthread!
Dry your damn eyes. Can we try and get to a point where every comment on this board isn't neutered into full on nothingness?
Then I was like what the fuck is all this? As I was scrolling down.
They're not though you know thaaatttt why would you think they're not she has awards cause she's a good actor
isn't just illegal anyway. It's like when tabloids take photos of famous people topless in the garden of some villa or something on holiday. Then they get printed. Why is that okay?
The guy who did this is obviously such a cunt (though I don't think he should go to prison or something cos what's the point), but making stuff like this illegal would be less about prosecuting and individual and more about stemming the further distribution of the photos.
But then, it's the internet so you could just look at the photos on a website from a country which didn't have those rules. Ugh.
Would seem like a no brainer that it should be. It's theft.
Regarding your point about pics of celebs in papers - PCC rules dictate that newspapers shouldn't print pictures of anyone taken where there is an expectation of privacy, which includes in their homes, in restaurants, etc (hence the Mirror had to take down pics of Prince Harry in Nandos someone had sent in, and why you always see celebs falling out of clubs, not on the dance floor). On the street, on the beach, etc, where there is no expectation of privacy, then it's a free for all.
Areas of debate come when it's like a garden that is openly visible from a public street - is that private? The French pap with the long lens snapping Kate Middleton on her balcony was a case in point.
also if I was on a beach somewhere and a woman was sunbathing topless and I took a photo of her and put it on the internet, is that really 'okay'?
But at the same time I'm conflicted, as I don't think nudity should be censored and I don't see nudity as sexual most of the time.
Also yes, probably the original hacking is illegal, but perhaps not the continued distribution of the photos without consent, or at least it's a grey area. It also feeds into all those discussions about 'revenge porn' which are happening at the moment.
and put it online, I think most sensible people wouldn't think it was 'okay'. In the same way, newspapers shouldn't do it either, but you only have to look at the Mail Online to know that people like that stuff and they're going where the eyeballs are.
The issue is, if you made those photos impossible by saying no one could publish photos without getting permission from the people in them, you'd kill lots of good and worthy photojournalism too.
...because (playing devil's advocate here...) you could make an argument to say that photojournalism is exploitative of the subjects...because the journalist is imposing a narrative on the subject that might not actually be an accurate representation of the full picture.
so, in conclusion, ban journalism?
I guess I was just questioning the definition of 'good and worthy photojournalism'. It's going to be nearly impossible to define that line. But there has to be a line drawn somewhere, right?
"I mean, obviously if you took a pic of a random topless woman on a beach and put it online, I think most sensible people wouldn't think it was 'okay'."
huh??? i don't think that's okay. i'm not even comfortable taking photos of fully clothed strangers without their consent let alone permission to distribute those photos.
i know people dont legally have an expectation of privacy when they're in public spaces like beaches (although sunbathing topless isn't actually clear and it would depend on the beach, what the rules were etc) but i think it's unethical unless it can be justified e.g. 'good and worthy photojournalism'
'Sensible people WOULDN'T think it was okay'. Because it's not.
skimmed back the way from your point about journalism. sorry i'm on a lot of medication today :D
The reason that most (sensible) people have reservations about topless photos being published, no matter how public the place, is that the subject generally hasn't given their consent...and can't do anything about it. Jennifer Lawrence / Mary Winstead can't make everyone unsee what they've seen, and hasn't had any control over how they have spread or where they have been seen them.
It feels a bit like you've created a false conflict between the two things...I think it's really healthy to have a sensible attitude towards nudity but a massive part of that is building up an idea of mutual respect and consent which just isn't in place at all in these sorts of things.
hasn't been tested but could be under the malicious communications act (max 6 months in prison)