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Malcolm Tucker YEAH
although you made a typo in your desperate scramble to be first you IDIOT
I hope Doctor Who is good again now
They just ask a question to have it answered immediately and often in quite disappointing ways, makes the whole thing feel like a waste of time.
Can see myself really enjoying Capaldi's doctor.
was disappointed. I'm sure Capaldi will be as good as I hoped but tonight was just another regeneration story. Never going to be amazing.
Couldn't imagine capaldi would be anything less. Clara was good in this episode too, dunno why people don't like her. Clara > Amy.
wasn't even a kiss
i don't understand quite why that happened. seemed really crowbarred in just for the sake of it. like, it offered nothing to the plot, just seemed like an excuse to make them "kiss" for no reason.
would you mind elaborating? is this some running thing?
and he's a bit of a dick about it
even when he's probably in the wrong. I guess you have to have that attitude in his position though.
I fucking love her
Initial fears that Peter Capaldi is going to be the David Moyes of Doctor Who are allayed for now. The pace was mercifully slower which also bodes well
Need a second watch.
Clara was great. Think her character may echo Sarah Jane where she's not fondly liked with one Doc then gets adored with his successor. Liked them using Vashtra and Jenny's relationship to mirror Clara coming to terms with the new Doc.
First half hour was weird. Echoed Smith's malfunctioning start and Tennant taking a while to get going. Didn't really get the whole dinosaur thing at all, felt like a bit to please the kids (who presumably were all in bed - why the late start?).
Liked him bringing back the clockwork guys. Gave Capaldi the opportunity to talk his way out of a scrap rather than use the sonic and mirror the theme of keeping take on new appearances to find perfection. Think that'll be a theme of Capaldi; lots of contemplation and mind games.
Had a weird tone to the whole thing. The longer running time made it feel so much better paced, the later start time made it feel more adult, the production seemed pretty swish and at times it felt like a crime thriller (dare I say it... Sherlock?). The last 20 was immense. Felt like the show had really grown up and changed. What a lovely phonecall that was too. A great moment, felt proper cinematic.
I just hope it'll carry on. Guess we'll see. When the director changes (this was one of Wheatley's), when the running time cuts down, when old foes have to return... Time will tell.
I did miss Smith though. That scene felt like Moffat begging us and Clara to accept the new direction. And its an exciting one. The Doctor is a real character; almost doddery, forgetful, figuring out who he is. It could be great. Sure I'll get used to Capaldi but right now, he feels like a famous actor I know playing the Doctor rather than the Doctor. Smith had that advantage being an unknown actor.
Still lots of Moffat touches present. Story arc, mystery female character, a scare that revolves around not doing something (blink / breathe / turn around), funny bits. Hope they don't smother the shorter episodes.
So yeah... Not sure yet. I'm intrigued at what they did here and have hinted at. We'll see if it delivers but certainly seems like the family show I grew up with is now more for teenagers upwards.
wasn't it on at 7pm?
Which isn't too late, but as it was longer meant it ended at 9 which is quite late for an 8 year old I'm guessing?
Latest I think it's ever been on since it came back?
(By the way, was the TARDIS any different? They said it was a new look but armchair aside, it looked like Smiths recent one I thought?)
kinda looking forward to it, but I'm hoping that they've dialled down the tedious, borderline incomprehensible story arcs this time
Could have been 45 minutes, and get rid of the dinosaur, jesus, it could have just been the Doctor in victorian England (which Moffat has an inexplicable hard-on for) doing some cool detective shit. Bollocks.
Clara is just as shit as ever.
I'm also aware that Moffat can write very well- his first and second series were fucking ace. It's also very possible that i have outgrown a show about an alien with 2 hearts.
we all complained that the episodes were too short. The extra length was one of the positive things this time.
Seems to me like that was only there so they could justify having it in the cinema again. There was so much fat that should have been cut.
Victorian England again; Strax and the lesbians again; Clara, who went through The Doctor's entire timeline last series, doesn't understand regeneration; The Doctor's boring regeneration angst; and a dinosaur.
Basically anything involving Strax and Co was fucking dreadful.
That Veil shit? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK?
But when it was just The Doctor and Clara or The Doctor or Clara: excellent.
He was funny before but now it's just the same joke over and over. And really it's about the three of them as a package.
But then I always found Joking Apart hilarious...
Badly scripted if you ask me, it just left me confused even though I knew roughly what he was getting at. Shit work Moffat.
an older doctor a chance. 'It's still the same person!'
I'm not fliting/not your boyfriend lines reassuring the older fans it;s not going to be another companion fancies the doctor situation.
I really enjoyed it. Thought the resurant scene and the ally scenes were great. Plus I like the whole victorian london/Vastra/Strax/Jenny gang.
I mean, I got that's what he was trying to say but I can't imagine anyone was that bothered. It's been a fucking YEAR we've known Capaldi is the new Doctor. Who the hell watching the show who's fan enough to know Smith's Doctor hasn't already adjusted?
Doctor Who has been popular with kids for decades with an older lead. Just felt Moffet was trying to second guess a possible reaction? Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
I mean that's what annoys me. Two options:
1. they did loads of research and found kids were worried, in which case this is the shoddiest, too-talky, bollocks way to try to reassure them of something they probably didn't give two shits about by that point in the episode.
2. he was just guessing and being ridiculous and wanted to write something he thought was kind of deep and clever but was actually utter tripe. I mean, RTD had some bad points, but at least he could actually write those kind of scenes. Moffat should just embrace the fact that he's incapable of writing outside of an ageing white man's perspective, and stick to rubbing his thighs at the attractive young women he's cast as usual.
Doctor Who is huge in America now and most of the Young People who watch it [my research on this is two whole Youtube videos so maybe 'citation needed'] only know Matt Smith as the Doctor.
but it's one area that RTD really was good with.
just by getting Tucker in. He was excellent, he added that acting lark in there and everyone benefited. More of this please.
made an effort not to mock it, and they still turned it off after 25 minutes cos it was fucking caaaaaaaaaaaaaack. thumb head guy made me laugh once of twice though
with Capaldi being a bit 'wacky' and some text book BBC CGI.
Picked up after 20 minutes and managed to resolve the episode without stupid pseudo-science explanation. Yeah, better than I thought it was going to be.
(literally had nothing better to do, at family gathering, missed retrospectular, fuming)
it was TERRIBLE. SO BAD. how is it even in any way defensible
the lack of running was really good. the dinosaur less so. the creepiness of the breathing was good, the intro less so. it's always nice to see how old the Doctor thinks he is. and i think i liked the Doctor coming to terms with being in an older body with bad eye sight/memory etc. looking forward to finding out more about heaven.
having only seen Clara entering the vortex or whatever it was once, I can't remember how that effected her memory of everything - I know she couldn't remember who she was in the past and didn't she just get dotted around the Doctor's time line? if so, then the regeneration thing could have been new to her.
I assume this is the over-arching story.
and how the clockwork guy arrived elsewhere.
although I think I've heard they are both being brought back in audiobooks soon, so that doesn't seem as likely. having the Master being female would be a, shall we say, easier? and i guess unannounced way to have a time lord gender change than have the long awaited female Doctor.
and its always a complete crock of shit. Going to give this sweary old guy a chance and if its crap, I'll be immensely annoyed.
The restaurant scene was good. I like him.
Looked shit. Are the lesbian lizard and Iain Dowie in every single episode? That can fuck off. Pretty girl is pretty though.
Sidenote: saw a really old Dr Who the other day, so much less shit than the modern ones.
Thankfully no, just once a series usually.
It was painful, literally painful to watch. Capaldi looked extremely confused about the whole thing and also slightly embarrassed. He'll be gone by the end of the season I reckon.
this is like this dream come true.
The script he had to read was shite and he knew it.
The last 25 minutes were pretty great to be honest. Shame the first 40 sucked.
Where do you stand on the missing 11 minutes?
thats about it!
I think it'd be a great show if they shot it in a different way, like more gritty and geared towards adults or whatever.
I think chistopher nolan could do a really good Dr Who movie.
Dinosaur added absolutely nothing though.
Can quite obviously tell the budgets been increased.
yeah i was not impressed by the story in this episode. way too obvious even for me.
there was a bit in that first one where they could and should definitely have edited in "come the fuck in or fuck the fuck off"
not sure if it was meant to be. also the wistful-looking-back-over-the-shoulder moment.
but yeah this is quite shite so far. will definitely keep watching it anyway.
It'll turn out the doctor is from the same 'stock' as daleks (i.e monkeys -> humans) and he's their spiritual leader or some shit.
She reminds me of my friend
you can have a show with the working title of "Tyres and Vod go on a bender" for free.
Tyres Is major character in Ben Wheatleys films 'kill list' and 'a field in england' (which Is brilliant) Ben Wheatley wrote the 'into dalek' episode.
Being a riff on Inner space / Fantastic voyage / Honey I shrunk the kids didn't bother me too much as those films are older than most Who fans. But it shared a lot thematically with Dalek, Voyage to the centre of the Tardis and the tesselector in Let's kill Hitler, which I think cheapens this a bit due to those being so recent. The plot device aside, I really liked it. Scariest the Daleks have been in years and their best story since Dalek.
The whole episode looked amazing. A few Star Wars references (the corridor shoot out scene and garbage chute scene), the lighting inside the Dalek was awesome and the Tardis interior looked great.
Liked Danny Pink. Not sure I buy the doctor hating soldiers as he's regularly hung out with them before but look forward to seeing more of him. Hope his relationship to Clara doesn't consume so much airtime it leaves the stories short though (I noticed that these episodes are now cowritten).
Clara has come on loads. Like her character loads more now and warmed to Capaldi a lot too. Think Moffats toying with us at the mo by trying to trick us into thinking he's darker than he really is but like the cut of his jib. Hope we get more moments like last weeks 'I've just realised that I'm going to have to kill you' line and this weeks callous treatment of the doomed soldier.
Next up Robin Hood. Hmmmm...
Ruined by the fucking awful writing. Capaldi getting emo about being 'a good man' and trying to show a Dalek beauty. Ugh.
It did look great, though!
Mr Pink was alright, but did we really need a love interest for Clara's character? Mickey and Rory were both wank. I hope they avoid repeating the "companion with normal life/Doctor conflict" storyline.
They could really make them an awful lot more compact.
i think it's, overall, still a bit shit and frustrating.
always feels like it should be a little bit better than it actually is, there is always something, or several things, that just seem so incredibly lazy or ill thought out, there's no finesse.
a couple of things that bugged me this week:-
1 - the 'good' dalek blowing up all the other daleks - they are all basically the same yeah? liek, that wasn't some super duper dalek was he? how come he managed to blow up about 10 bad daleks - doesn't seem very likely to me really, i know this kind of shit happens all the time in action films or whatever, but when you've got a concept for a show that allows you to pretty much make up any nonsense at all and it still fits in with the internal logic of the show it just seemed like a really lazy way to resolve the problem.
2 - how is the doctor managing to talk to the dalek when he is inside the dalek, like, what?
3 - that awful bit where that new danny pink guy was regretting not saying yes to going on a date with clara - and that bit with the tear running down his face JUST AWFUL
4 - the terrible foreshadowing of vod not being let on the tardis as she is a soldier, and there being an ex soldier who has started at the school clara teaches at - OH THIS MIGHT LEND ITSELF TO AN ISSUE LATER ON!!! it's just so shoehorned in - awful writing. and as far as i'm aware - totally inconsistent with the doctor who character
5 - the inside of a dalek should be AMAZING - liek proper nightmarish, such an opportunity to really go all out, make something abstract and alien, but oh no, it's some corridors and what ever.BORING
y'know i still quite enjoy it generally - just would like it to be, y'know, GOOD!
Think it's coming down to Capaldi basically, Matt Smith was so watchable, I'm just not fussed by Capaldi in the same way, however good an actor he might be. Both the first two felt overwrought and messy. Not impressed.
with how ridiculous and silly the main thurst of the plots are.
Smith's excitable nature kindof fit a lot better with the nonsense
Who could kind of pull it off with his charm and energy stuff (until it became unwatchable circa flying mopeds).
took a little bit of time to not think of her as Vod
And who she plays in other shows.
Didn't think she was all that here mind. Could be the script, but she just felt like Expected Soldier #2 to me.
Visually such a step up from previous series and we've actually got a relationship between a doctor and a companion with some depth and interest in it.
Like, properly good? As in, 'we spent some money on this' good.
but Wheatley's direction is so much more interesting than previous series, which were always pretty flat and could almost have generated themselves.
Lots of cgi and it only got good once we got to the restaurant scene onwards. But I thought this one did a superb job of making everything feel epic, even in tight environments and through nice angles.
Generally pretty good, I thought. Mostly enjoyable even if it felt a bit like a Doctor Who script generated by a committee from other Who scripts (and a large slab of classic Sci-Fi films, natch).
Personal brand irking: the fact that the Daleks would have just destroyed the space ship, surely? Do they really care about ONE Dalek, compared to losing more on the assault? It would have been easy to rewrite so that couldn't have been an issue.
Of course, worrying about niggles probably shows how strong it was. This Doctor is a nastier fellow. I like him.
(though there seems to 2 and a half months of missing threads)
An older one is here: http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4451923
There was a more recent one with more discussion of episodes after the reboot.
Seems to totally have vanished. Went 8 pages back into Mid August and I didn't see it anywhere - any specific wants?
I never watched the Tennant ones so was catching up so wanted to see the recommended ones.
Watched "Girl in the Fireplace" last night which was really good.
Blink. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead 2 parter. Human Nature/The Family of Blood 2 parter. Midnight. The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit 2 parter.
Those are the very best ones.
I like Turn left a lot in terms of Donna's storyline. Waters of Mars was the best 'special'. School reunion is great if you ever watched any Tom Baker episodes. Utopia is also a pretty wicked episode that promised so much - sadly the follow up 2 episodes were somewhat poorer.
The end of season finales were ok too featuring the Cybermen, but nothing too deep.
I'll work my way through those.
The really good stuff from Tennant. And by that I mean stuff that you could watch with a mate who doesn't really care about Doctor Who and not have your hand stuck to your face the whole way through.
The Christmas Invasion, The Girl in the Fireplace, The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit, Army of Ghosts / Doomsday.
I almost stuck New Earth and School Reunion in. Both of these were better than I expected, and the latter has the whole Giles / Sarah Jane / K-9 thing but neither are really quite good enough.
The ending of The Satan Pit is a really lame Deus Ex but everything else about it is really good. I include The Girl in the Fireplace even though I don’t quite think it’s as amazing as everyone else seems to.
Smith & Jones, Human Nature / The Family Blood, Blink
I have this odd idea that I didn’t see the episode 42, from reading the description. I definitely didn’t see the Evolution of the Daleks, so my ratings here are possibly suspect. Martha was one of my favourite companions although she was written badly and ended up being too reactive, compared to her early role. I haven’t included Utopia but it's okay.
Planet of the Ood, The Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead, Midnight
Series 4 had some bad episodes, and while I loathed Tate’s companion my list is short in spite of her, not because. Maybe the Sonataran eps were okay? Really hard to recall, which is why I’m assuming ‘not really’.
They were all bad, really. Sorry.
But The Christmas Invasion was utter dirge.
Hmm... I honestly remember quite enjoying it but I haven't seen it since it aired (2005?) so I will bow to your judgement.
The rest were beyond shite.
only just watched Into The Dalek. I didn't really focus on the first bit with Journey Blue and Blue's brother. The brother wasn't Danny Pink was he? seeing as how Missy keeps taking(/saving?) people from their deaths, and given the obviousness of the names etc, Danny could have been deliberately placed with Clara to serve some purpose.
The big with the arrow at the end was RUBBISH though, and the cut beheading scene meant that a fairly crucial plot point was missed.
Has he lost the Sonic Screwdriver then?
Did anyone else think that the music during the 'uprising' scene was heavily 'influenced' by the Game Of Thrones theme?
the outside of the castle appeared to be somewhere like Bodium Castle, but the inside was somewhere like Caerphilly Castle. I'm all like, "your turrets aint matchin', foo!"
that golden aarrow was soooo rubbish.
what was the beheading scene? I presume it was cut because of recent terrorist activity?
In the final duel with Robin Hood, Ben Miller's character had his head chopped off, revealing him to be a robot, before putting it back on and continuing to fight, apparently.
is that would have made him getting boiled alive in molten gold rather more palatable.
When he got boiled in gold I was like "fuuuuuck thats dark"
But was funny seeing the Doctor's total lack of patience with Robin Hood and the Merry Men, and him blowing up the target was great. Not a great episode, but decent enough, especially considering it was a Mark Gatiss one.
Quite enjoyed both of them.
That was bizarre, like it had all of the tension and mystery of a great episode, but no actual plot.
Anyone who says otherwise can eat my sonic shit
But it seemed really unfocused story wise, kinda like an Interpol song where they get the mood and tension just right, but there's no memorable hooks.
First three episodes were naff but this was brilliant
really badly written
But maybe not quite as annoying as Mickey.
before my time m8
from that point onwards. Does not compute.
Which very much read like something written by someone who'd been watching the show for ages.
Are you sure you've only been watching since the beginning of Matt Smith's tenure? You could've forgotten Mickey. He was dull and pointless.
and i've seen occasional tenant / eccleston repeats, but ive only properly sat down to wtach it since about three or whatever years ago
Aside from that single tear rolling down the cheek moment in the classroom.
Slightly bonkers...but really enjoyable.
i think that's about the best we are going to get really - :|
I need to put more effort in on my end, though, to be honest. That New Year's special managed to really heighten an inherent resistance to new Doctor Who by necessity of someone deciding that an adventure show about a time-travelling doctor should obviously demand Joyce-level concentration to be able to comprehend the sea of not-that-interesting story arcs (even though I'd really liked the Christmas one, which had made me v. v. optimistic).
I liked it for a standalone. Standard fun doctor adventures with some cool bits and likeable supporting characters.
If one accepts the premise that there has to be some episodes high on action and CGI, then Time Heist was good for what it was, if a little predictable in places. Better than I'd expected with that title. Liked the monster, and that we seem to have accepted that monsters/creatures don't always have to have names.
I've been watching some old episodes from Baker's period and I think we're in a good era. People judge Moffat's Who a bit harshly I think. We may all want a Genesis of the Daleks-style masterpiece every week, but what we get is varied with occasional gems, some good variation and occasional clunkers.
And I'm beginning to think the new doctor is a welcome change from Matt Smith
Minimal Solider Pink shit, no emo nonsense, Keeley Hawes, no cryptic nods to something bigger. All good stuff!
Hood was fun barring the terrible golden arrow bit. Listen was properly scary and at times amazing BUT it did repeat every trick Moffat has now used to death (don't look behind you / abstraction of kids song). The wife is still having mares about it. Heist was a good yarn.
Really like Clara now and Capaldi is coming into his own. Blitzing 3 in a row helped see his Doctor more clearly I think and his stubbornness and inability to be warm to people is really good. Have also found every episode to be pretty funny too.
Yeah, I'm enjoying it. Best series since Smith's first I reckon.
And the episodes so far this series have done a good job of slowing things down a bit rather than the last series or two going at a million miles an hour and needing to save the world all the time.
Clara is less annoying with him and he's letting a little Tucker slip now and again. I like this, it's great.
but i thought the most recent one was bloody awful, just really choppy and all over the place and crap and shit
Same writer as that of The Lodger, which was a similarly nice little character story. Clara, Doctor and Pink all had great rapport, I laughed loads (not sure why all the reviews keep going on about how dark this Doctor is, I've found the series almost more of a comedy than a drama) and I liked that the alien bit of it was almost a sideline. Nicely paced too.
Still don't think the series has had a 9/10 classic yet but overall, it's Moffats best work since his debut series and Capaldi & Clara are the best comedy double act we've had in the show, probably ever.
fuck all story, shit bad-guy, that fucking flip, and god that Pink chap is dull.
Flip was shit though. Seen dozens of worst episodes than that.
Quite like Pink guy myself. Not sure why loads of you hate him so much.
Also, JLColeman has had some good hair this series, eh?
It was good fun for about 25 minutes and then just weighed itself down with character/relationships stuff, even though I doubt anyone but hardcore nerds actually care about that stuff.
Capaldi is really good, especially when he does his angry face.
Moffat's got a hard on for robots this series and this one was the shittest yet.
Pink is just dull. His character is only there to repeatedly tell us he was a soldier (which is obvs going to be relevant at some point). Other than that, he's just a needy prick getting in the way of good episodes. This episode's resolution was Pink 'proving himself' to the Dr and he did that with a ridiculous gymnastic display.
JLC does have lovely hair though and the interactions between her and the Dr are really, really good!
it instantly makes the episodes better than the vast majority of the matt smith ones. Also the music is toned down by about a billion percent, which helps a ton.
The last episode was pretty funny imo
Largely for humour and character interaction...the robot was pretty underpowered for allegedly having enough firepower to roast the planet, but given that Doctor Who has always been about the saving the planet on a tidy budget, this can be forgiven
Equally don't get the Pink hate. We've clearly not had time to get to know him properly yet, and once he becomes more of a presence on the show I'm sure he'll be characterised well. The flip can indeed fuck off though.
how do the rest compare?
Would spend effort on ones better, avoid worse ones.
should probably have just watched from the start.
Not sure about him dressing like strung out 60s Dylan
Worst of the season so far
1) Found child actor annoying
2) Episode just was really stupid
3) Whilst I like his grumpy schtick, I'd enjoy it more if everyone took his narkiness less seriously. I don't want to see this fraught relationship bollocks I want to be entertained.
REALLY hated it. I thought it was OK, though the laying an egg bit was a tad shite and I've still no idea why the gravity shift happened.
JLColemans speech near the end was AMAZING though. Really great to see someone stand up to the Doctor for once after all the danger he's put them through.
I don't really see Capaldis Doctor as dark or malicious, just totally lacking any social skills or the ability to empathise. He's actually, for the first time in 50 years, a bit alien.
Great last 2 minutes.
That spoils it a bit.
Great speech basically.
just so it would provide a means of getting to that speech. It would explain why the rest of it was so paper thin. Having said that, I quite enjoyed it, despite all the massive logic flaws and cheap resolution.
I really enjoyed it. Also, how did the thing hatch then lay something half the size of itself? Haha.
I know better than to care about issues like this, they just get in the way of enjoyment.
It hatched and then laid something bigger than itself.
to the 'moon'. Excellent work Dr Who lol.
This managed to fit character work and a relatively interesting idea without it being mostly cringeworthy.
would have been scary for Kids, which is good. But, soldiers again, really?
Would have been properly scary for some kids. Bet a few complexes have been started after that.
would end up as the next assistant(s).
Clara was all 1920s.
One thing that bothers me about this show though is these days it seems to almost always be a shut-in episode. I suspect this is to keep budget down but it's getting to me.
All in all, just as silly as normal, clara is still hot, enjoyed it.
has made me warm to it a bit more again
still think this has been a pretty dire series so far -
only been about 3 not shit episodes
since the first one with Matt Smith.
An original idea, a new foe and some great effects, terrible trains aside. Also loved the Addams Family bit. Only thing I didn't really like was how the Doctor won the day. Because I couldn't see at all how that happened?
he seemed to just sonic them, but I'm guessing he harnessed the Tardis to do something?
but needed the screwdriver to spread it beyond its boundaries.
Although the constant threat of Clara leaving is not cool.
ie monsters that would scare the shit out of you when you were 8, some funny bits, having a bit of fun with the rules of the series - but usually it's absolute bum wank.
Things should pick up for the final two episodes anyway
what age are those kids meant to be? they act like 6 year olds.
It's just the plotline made no real sense, and there were echoes of Fear Her which is never good. As for sentient trees, did nobody remember The Happening and how stupid that was? And that final scene came out of nowhere. At least Capaldi was good value as ever.
Really looking forward to the two part finale though. That trailer looked awesome.
in the finale,
I hope they allow her to be as grotesque/creepy/funny s she can be
they have to let her lick dr whos face at least
and I hated the doctor who episodes concerning these subjects sooooo much.
these episodes were actually damaging.......I feel like Patrick moore did when hearing people conflating astrology with astronomy.
At this point we are/have learning far more about the moon and the trees an the effects that have had on us, or their mechanisms, stuff that is really wondrous and almost spiritual (whilst remaining scientific)
enough wondrous stuff to almost spin some mythology off the back of it (as explanation of stuff that we do not yet know)
Yet instead they spin off some dreadful babyish infantalising bullshit mythical bollocks that flys in the face of what is known and wonderful.
Horrible horrible stuff. The BBC should be ashamed. Dr who has in the past had subjects that (whilst niave when viewed now) sparked off people being concerned about the environment and what we don't know (like 'inferno' and the 'green death') but this latest episode was so excrutiatingly Carole Caplinesque, so Jilly Cooperish, that it might put people off.
Though Danny Pink just isn't a strong enough character to hang half the plot on.
I don't *quite* believe they work as a couple. But at least they'd had lots of screen time together. These two never had a moment or thing where I can see how he earned her affections? So I don't quite care enough what's happened to him.
Good episode though for us long time fans. References to classic era Tomb of the Cybermen and The Invasion, the pinnacles of that enemies time. Loved the doors closing to reveal the eyes too. Felt the dark water exoskeleton thing and storage device for the emotions were great ideas slightly cheapened by the trailer. If you'd not known the Cybermen were in this weeks, it would have been one of the shows great reveals.
ALOT of exposition though at least it largely made sense for once. Missy revelation was good and answered the age old 'can a Time lord change gender?' Debate nicely.
All in all, looking forward to next week and hope Gomez is a returning character.
"Don't cremate me". Christ.
All the big reveals were really well played, but because they were all so obvious kinda fell flat. Still intrigued as to what they're gonna do with next weeks.
by the BBC's trailer for last night's episode and then having a big spoiler image on iPlayer.
So that fucking iPlayer spoiler was extra infuriating.
until the reveal and I was all oh yeah... although they should have showed a bit more before having the Doctor shout 'Cybermen!' before they'd fully been shown.
Thought that was best of the series.
Big fan. I think a ton of people will be sad that Danny isn't dead though. He is such a weak character. Moffat needs to peak up his ideas.
that spoiler was a real shame, but it was still pretty gripping. i really liked the use of the oO eye thing used on the company symbols. i was all like, "i'm sure i recognise that?" then it twigged. and yeah the doors closing was cool.
SACK THEM ALREADY
and couldn't Danny have just sent that kid back to his family directly? I enjoyed the whole deranged Mary Poppins thing that Missy had going though.
As for the Christmas special, the brief glimpse made it look like Doctor Who meets Santa and The Thing or something. I guess it won't be anywhere near as interesting as that though.
Probably the third best finale after series 1 and 5.
I unreservedly loved it and have massive puffy eyes as a result.
Capaldi and Coleman nailed it totally.
being the best since the first one with Matt Smith. It has felt much nicer not having every episode going at a mile a minute. Capaldi is amazing, more of his obvious contempt for the world next time please.
Up there with series 1 and 5 in terms of the best.
Hope Gomez returns. She is a potentially GREAT Master. After that brilliance, shame we have to endure a Christmas special next...
Ok it'll probably be like all the other ones.
5 > 1 > 8 > 6 > 4 > 2 > 7 > 3
And you're spot on
Nice touch of bathos in his little speech on Saturday but it's still fucking tedious.
I'm glad that Pink is gone and I really loved that last scene but generally I think that was the worst episode of the season.
I really liked it.
Those of you who didn't have just never experienced real love with someone you want to spend the rest of your life with.
*who dies, only to come back as a robot.
points to follow
well... it's just my usual complaints really, like they just seem to always have a quite good half idea which they just balls up totally
here are some things I didn't like in the episode
1 - that bit at the beginning with Clara being all - ' clare oswold has never existed maaaaaaaaaaaannnnn, i'm like totes the doctor' - fucking stupid waste of screen time, makes no sense, has no bearing on the plot, seems written to have a line or two that might sound kindof interesting in a trailor but is actually totally nonsensical - just STUPID BAD WRITING
2 - Missys incredible escape from the two armed guards - surely they could have written this better, a monkey could have written that scene so it made a modicum of sense
3 - the terrible terrible awful pathetic rational for Missy to try and hook up DR WHO with CLARA in the first place, like what was the reason again? oh yeah - there wasn't any at all because Clara and the Dr's relationship is totally irrelevant to the Cyermen take over thing that it's all been building up to, it literally has no bearing on anything that has happened in the last couple of episodes, so that whole 'reveal' is totally pointless GOOD ONE
4 - Having some nice friendly cybermen - FUCK OFF
5 - the god awful terrible bit at the end with the kid coming BACK TO LIFE, I mean i'd kind of given up paying any attention to it at that point but that was seriously bad
there is more but i can't be assed
Maybe you're right. Maybe it was shit and I just have gotten used to be so nonplussed, I'm thinking I'm actually enjoying it?
that did have a point. she was trapped in a room with a cyberman and would have been killed if she didn't. Given that she had been been sent all over the Doctor's timeline, there was some sort or sense, although I'm not entirely sure what she should and shouldn't know.
The whole Missy given Clara the number thing was lame and could have been done a lot better. However it did show the Doctor that Missy had the power to influence his life for a long time. I mean, think about it in the sense of everything they've done together. For the Doctor to then be told that was all orchestrated by Missy, must have been pretty dark for him.
Friendly Cybermen and bloomin' army shabs can do one though. I'm not sure how i feel at the moment about the possibility of a Cyber-Brig in the future.
Oh and the kid coming back seemed like it was mainly an excuse for the Doctor to not listen to what Clara had to say. What did she have to say? I mean hopefully it's that she's pregnant, as it's about the only way that the other Pinks earlier in the series could exist without Danny coming back. And besides that, sorry, how exactly did the kid come back?
Missy was excellent. we'd better be getting more Gomez.
please tell me Osgood isn't dead :'( There seemed to be a lot of death in the episode. Although with the Cyber-Brig saving his daughter, perhaps there wasn't as much as there first seemed.
I'm hardly ever right. This is a good day.