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are becoming increasingly blurred among pro-Gaza protesters. We essentially went to war against these attitudes less than a century ago.
As it turns out Israel labelling every criticism of their policies towards Palestine as anti-semitic does cause problems.
That totally excuses victimising all Jews.
Time to pick your Lottery numbers, lads.
But your "blurring of the lines" is exactly what the Israeli lobby have been doing since 1948. It endangers the lives of every Jew in the world for the sake of whitewashing the utterly despicable actions of the Israeli government.
The Holocaust is perhaps the single biggest thing we point to as a reason why it was a good thing we fought the German regime at the time. And now the same kind of sentiment is almost being given a free pass due to the actions of the Israeli government.
due to a 'same kind of sentiment' (as you put it) that is put into action, when it appears to be ok for an organised central authority to give orders for an organised military to kill quite a lot (in comparrison to current israeli casualties) of palestinian civilians and children......because many of their deaths are warrented for each israeli killed?........
(Is this because several palestinian childrens lives are considered to be worth less than one israeli life? ....... ) this could be considered to be the reason for unreasoned retaliation and hatred against 'things that can be associated to Israel'
People who self associate with the palestinians plight might feel frustrated and impotent in the face of 'apparent innaction' of our 'democratic representatives' and they may be driven by each new instance of innocent palestinian children deaths, to feel compelled to do something (even if that something is inappropriate and unreasoned...........I see many people in this country behaving in mad inappropriate and unreasoned ways, as a reaction to what they witness in the media, often their feelings for needing to 'do something about it' are coralled, by some organiser, into bizarre and unhelpful organised (or semi) actions.
I think that you should try to take an overall view of what is happening, try to see from many POVs, try to be empathic to all, or else you will help futher 'bizarre and inappropriate' polarisation of reaction against one '''''sides''''' actions.
i.e. try to grow up, and stop pretending that there are not seeds that have caused 'silly actions'.........that way there is more hope that the 'seeds' of reactions, can be managed better (better than having idiotic hooting anyway)
most of the groups that were targeted by the nazis (other than existing predjudices helping them win support)
In the current situation, (and in fairly recent years) there has been a succession of agression between arab (sorry should I say muslim?) groups/states and israeli state (and that which is associated with it.....this includes jewish inhabitants that are not strictly withing israel, and can often be extrapolated into other aspects (people DO and WILL conflate 'Israel' and 'Judaism' when their minds are full of angry emotions that have no outlet) (the converse would also be true, I am pretty certain that there would be many germans who would have been hurt by the allies even though they had nothing to do with nazi'ism.......in addition it appears that there is also a conflation of palestinian babies needing to be killed due to comparitively ineffectual rockets being launched by Hammas........people DO blur the lines and make generalisations......THEY DO NOT, look at the venn diagrams to realise subtleties, this is because there is not much subtlety to children and babies being killed by (relatively) accurate and effective military.
THERE IS A REASON THAT PEOPLE RETALIATE INAPPROPRIATELY..........because there is no satisfactory or effective outlet for the feelings that erupt in them.
IT is true that there are people who have gone over to irrationally hating israel and everything they can associate with it, even if that involves 'a daisy is a flower....therefore all flowers are daisys' type of illogic, but there is similar illogic which ignores the fact that killing several times more other people (including innocents) does not irradicate the terribleness of a few of your own people.
Simplistic blaming does not help at all, it is that that helps fuel the actions that hold back any permenant improvement in relations.
The only influence that citizens of the UK have over the situation is their democratic influence to persuade their political representatives to negotiate with the Isaeli government (because the UK government DOES have formal relations with the Israeli government...........the UK government would appear to NOT have formal relations with Hamas, so it would appear that the only legal and possible influence that anyone in this country would have over the situation would be through their local political representative to petition parliament to negotiate more strongly with israeli government...........
of course one might also say that 'pigs might fly'.......but, be that as it may, that is the only legal method that you have to influence the situation, so there is little point in harranging Hamas (bastards though some of them doubtless are, in 'hiding' behind children) You may consider that there is little point in harranging the israeli government (via your mp and then via parliament) but in this case your anger and action should be towards that which makes you impotent when you hear of such horrid drama brought to your senses by the media (who offer no practical solutions for anything that effects you) .....i.e. the form of democracy and how to better have a parliament that represents the peoples feelings......
of reaction against their actions, and then tit for tat mode is entered into, escalation then can become a danger......a danger that must be assessed in comparrison to the danger of complacency towards predjudice
I know people are prone to being irrational in extreme circumstances, but victimising a people due to the actions of others of similar beliefs halfway across the world and in a very different situation should be something that absolutely doesn't fly in a multicultural Western state. It's medieval thinking and continually excusing it will lead to it getting out of hand. I'm sure the large proportion of Muslims involved in the protests would have something to say if we not only boycotted but attempted to destroy Muslim-owned business because of the actions of the IS.
how do you prevent the medieval thinking then? by criticising? or by alieviating that, which helps cause and spread the 'medieval' thinking?
Appeasement just rewards it.
Our country was rife with the same anti-Semitism but it wasn't organised by a fascist government to that terrible end. No one even knew or believed about the camps until they were found as we brought the war to an end.
I'm sure sections of the command knew. I'm sure whole groups in the UK knew but in terms of widespread knowledge, I don't think anyone had a clue about the Final Solution.
Regardless, we went to war in 1939 and it was to protect Poland's sovereignty not because Germany was discriminating against Jews and other minorities. Jews were generally looked down on in all of Europe from what I can tell and I don't think their being singled out in Germany was that big a deal to Britain. I'm sure we turned away loads of Jews who left Germany through prosecution.
Poor choice of words in my first response, but it's still an attitude associated with perhaps the most malevolent force in recent history, one which we rightly distance ourselves from these days. It's not good that we're letting it creep back in under the guise of legitimate protest.
when you have people like Tom Doran claiming it's pretty much the most anti-Semitic paper out there.
Anyway, seems Louise Mensch is still someone I find it hard not to loathe.
I was neither aware, involved or interested in this and would appreciate you not tarring us all with the same brush
(like all brummies)
Nearest Tossco is a good 20 minute drive away. It can stay there too
we use that and aldi, and have given up on asda and tesco