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and Bar Story is... a bar...? They don't even have beer on tap ffs. Also there's LOADS of really quite nice pubs in Peckham.
Gentrification is a state of mind
It just seemed full of locals, in an area where loads of pubs have closed and turned into bookies / loan sharks it seemed perfectly fine.
Wondered what it was - it was rammed.
"London's new drinking and dining lifestyle is the Madame Tussauds and The London Dungeon of the AirBnB demographic. Nobody within any real community will ever interact with it."
And while the first bit might be kind of true, I'm not sure about the second. Firstly, what's a 'real community'? And secondly, the 'newcomers' and those he identifies as gentrifiers are typically much more economically active within their local area, both spending money, investing money and establishing businesses.
I also like how his cut off for anything being real and genuine seems to be the exact point at which he grew up. I'm sure there were plenty of people in and from Brixton complaining about what it was turning into when he was growing up and going there.
Is that folk will go once or twice while they're still being talked about, then move onto the next cutting-edge place. They're not given the chance to establish any kind of community, much less bring different groups of people together - if there is one, it's just the type of people who have to be the first to check out the trendiest places. Even if the business lasts, people will tire of the 'gimmick' quite quickly to make it a regular haunt, and it'll continue as a once-or-twice novelty.
"it seemed a long way from the Brixton of old, the Brixton I knew as a teenager. The cold, aggy, brilliant Brixton that always had someone banging a drum somewhere, always smelt of skunk"
It's still like that on weekdays when all the yuppies are in the city.
The Brixton of the mid-noughties...
He's from Kingston, which isn't even in London.
McLusky's 4 lief
I was once visiting friends in New Malden who talked about 'going into London'. Jesus wept. It was fucking zone 4 or something.
...and he says the same thing. I honestly thought it was in Surrey.
Volts 4 lief
Frank's looked a little like Light Bar 7 years ago as far the crowd went. Generally it's pretty exciting some of the things going on in the area but I fear it will just be Hackney in 5 years. They've just opened a new record shop called Rye Wax though who is run by a friend of mine who has lived that way for years.
The cocktails were over priced. The furniture is super uncomfortable. And the pints are ££££££££.
Peckham is a funny one really. I live within spitting distance and yet nver, ever go and drink there, ever.
Peckham Pelican, the Montpelier, the Victoria, the Gowlett, the Rye are all good pubs. Peckham Springs, Bar Story, Four Quarters, Frank's are good bars, and then there's Canavan's for TOP late-night dancing and pool shenanigans, or the Bussey Building if you want a proper boogie.
on that list (although actually maybe a couple) match NC House or - depending on how packed it is - the Albert for quality drinking.
Victoria is good but NC house definitely trumps it.
Also Four Quarters might be the best bar in the world.
how the hell have they got is SO RIGHT?? don't understand. bar the one time i went in on its first week of opening, it's been completely rammed. must be doing amazing business. i still have some quarters in my wallet to use in the point blank machine actually!!
MAY be having an ad hoc pint tonight though
Got some :/ family stuff and a job change to go through, but we should definitely do a pint sometime, would be great to meet you!
they need TWO point blank machines. it's too popular despite only about 20 people being in there. dread to think what it's like at the weekend.
Not been to the Gowlett or the Rye. live two mins from Pelican,
loses points for only being open one day of the week though
the Gowlett does EXCELLENT pizza and has a few ales
can you tell I really like Peckham?
went to Canavan's for the first time last weekend and just had the best time though it's a fucking dive <3
Well middle class.
once they had a bee hat there and i wore the bee hat
as much as i'm indifferent to Bar Story it has in fairness been there for about 10 years now
when we walked past it (i think we walked past it) in april
his stuff is so evocative without being pretentious or florid.
Whether you agree with his opinions or not, he's a very talented guy.
The bit about the coffee shop sign in Deptford is brilliant.
"This sign in particular worried me. I have no objections to people serving good coffee in a working-class area, but this fucking picture is evidence of something more troubling: Bespectacled, moustachioed, overtly Caucasian, this is a beacon to the imminent Deptford emigres. "Come inside, white people," it says."
his writing is massively self-congratulatory, he drops in way too many irrelevant cultural references, his persona is one a dickhead. he's like if MPBH decided to write articles for vice
so I can complain about how it was much better in 2006.
Maybe it's started already.
And before that it was a John Lewis (albeit, as Jones Brothers) so I'm not sure that counts.
and replaced by an Asda then.
It seems either end of Holloway road seems to have posh coffee shops but Nags Head is immune.
a few new cafes etc opening, even the kfc's got a fancy wooden frontage.
More of a Nags Head man. I know there are still plenty of pubs at the Archway end that would be described by you lot as 'dodgy' though (in fact Theo did just that in that elitist thread about 'dodgy' pubs the other day).
trifled with. They just aren't friendly English pubs, pubs can be rough and friendly at the same time.
I think the Lion and the Mother Red Cap are clearly pubs with a strong local crowd so I never really feel like I should go in, despite having grown up in the area.
which is a new pizza joint a bit further down.
(I could well be wrong)
Actually I know what you mean now, maybe. Is it a dark brown wood?
Che Casa is between Sainsbury's and Kentucky Fried Chicken and it has a weird wooden front that looks like they just forgot to paint it.
that chicks on fire is too low down, I mean v nearly at archway.
Just looked on googlemaps, the kfc just up from mother red cap, I'm sure it looks posher now than on street way, maybe they'd just given it a clean.
(isn't this a fasinating conversation)
subthread going on down below, surely?
Archway and Highbury ends of Hollway road have posh coffee shops. They've got that artisanal chicken shop up the road as well. Nags head is still reminiscent of Camden high street circa 2001 though. Keeping the dream alive. Never change Holloway, I love you.
The shopping centre was a start of sorts, all those flowers and such down the centre of the road. The new Student blocks they're putting in, the Coronet Wetherspoons replacing decades of dingy pool hall with stink of piss out the front... Plus James Selby eschewing grammar and calling itself 'Selbys' and putting a Nero in.
They've added markets, a costa etc. Generally the area has a nicer feel to it. I suspect the gentrification of Tufnell Park road helped.
the student housing everywhere
sainsbury's local/tesco express on holloway rd and seven sisters
and fucking costa on seven sisters road
why holloway hasnt sprouted 2 or 3 amazing pubs/bars is beyond me, coronet's my favourite pub here ffs.
it has come up massively (but still with the grottiness that makes it good), just very weird that theres not been the restaurants/bars piling in to follow that.
On Camden Road The Castle's been done up and The Latin Quarter's been turned into a bookshop.
2 of London's very shittest pubs those. Shame.
Socieconomic segregation has always happened, but it's accelerating and when it's combined with the discourse around benefits scroungers and public sector cuts it really does enforce the idea that Everyone Hates Each Other
Part of which was "Bearded yuppie hipsters are the new skinny jeaned indie kids, only with a more carnivorous diet"
But he blew it by referring to Sainsburys as Saino's.
And I guess they should know
loads on here hate the term "sainsbos"
"Other than the fact it looked like a 70s council flat, the only real nod to the job centre inside was this: the Jobs Board. From a distance, I had a pang of horror, dreading that it might be a menu, with pulled pork and macaroni cheese advertised like they were casual labour vacancies. If that was the case, I was going to have to break all journalistic codes and practices and start shanking someone with a bottle of Brooklyn Lager."
I don't disagree with the main thrust of it, but it's just ........ really bad
Went to Berlin recently after a few years. That was equally sad.
not as one-sided as it could have been, feel like it properly captures the atmosphere of zone 2 London as it is today, for better and for worse. He writes with a lot of flair and feeling about London (who gives a shit if he's from Kingston, really) - this article and the one about the London suburbs from a few months ago are both really powerful bits of short writing about the city. Hope he ends up as an Iain Sinclair type (as opposed to writing for the Mail, as someone half-joked up there ^^)
I live in Kilburn at the moment and it always strikes me as weird how this part of London doesn't seem to be gentrifying much, even though bits similarly far from the centre in the rest of London are. Obviously West Hampstead is close by and that's well gentrified, but from what I gather that's always been upmarket by virtue of its proximity and association with full-on Hampstead. Zadie Smith described this part of London as "ungentrified, ungentrifiable" in NW (which also contains some terrific writing on 21st century London) and it does seem that way a bit.
They were a south London gang ffs (my grandad, was erm, "associated" with them).
even if he does sound like a complete tourist: http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-last-piss-up-at-the-admiral-mann?utm_source=vicetwitteruk
I.e the total shit-house pub in the OP's article is at the end of my street and has magically opened again for the start of the season, which leads me to believe it's basically only open for Millwall heavies