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Maybe London is running out of cunts?
Probably not but it's a nice thought.
than the Secret Cinema/ATP/Bloc trendy bastard demographic?
I wonder why this is.
They did refund everyone, but they never properly accepted blame for what happened.
I got mine without even asking. TBH I'd pretty much written it off so was pleasantly surprised.
Couldn't get one through my bank either as I'd paid on debit card. Fuck 'em.
there'll be something else just as bellended
word seems to be that they didn't actually secure the license to show the film (!!)
Jesus Christ, really?
either is just stupendously incompetent (and surely they'd not have cancelled just for booze?)
also part of the deal was to not bring mobiles, and they cancelled with like two hours to go =D
at an event with no phones allowed.
But you had to check them in to be let in
It would have been a great event, I love BTTF.
the bitter, chippy cunt at the bottom of my soul is DELIGHTED by this
so fuck 'em.
All these beards should get a proper capitalist bastard to organise stuff for them.
Only cost a third of the price of the full one and everything.
Maybe they should have put more effort in the right places!
Pringles provided, maybe toast if I can be arsed.
I'll even go and buy BTTF on blu-ray.
guy in my office is on his way there now
poor wee fella
what's wrong with Back To the Future?
Am I a cunt because I'm not happy about this?
SC are a horrible organisation anyhow
Believe me, these things are proper wanker magnets.
it's because it's like fidel's £80 drive-ib movie thign. (you get isntructoins on where ot meet and how to dress up. you are expected to 'enter into the spirit of it'. You hgave to pay quite a lump of cash for this privilege and when you getv there the drinks and food are pretty expensive too.
I think it's mainly the entering into the spirit of it thing that DiSers hate so much- imagine being told to have fun! (it does actually annoy me a bit too)
and loads more shit
£5m in sales from this event and they cancel the first two at a moment's notice and use unpaid interns. Fucking pricks
Which means you want to do that in the first place!
I think I hate them now too
something about a guy who spent 5 hours working on a costume and "one of us even shaved off their beard for this". It was a showing of a fucking film we have all seen too many times, don't worry about it.
where they show the film at some point
Also it's neither the booze or film licensing. A cock up, yes, but still. It's still gonna run for a month after today...
Set appears unbuilt.
A month from tomorrow sounds optimistic
That the place is absolutely nowhere near ready.
Combined with a man who works for SC apparently messaging set builders on twitter this morning saying "can I give you a call?"
In two minds really - fucking hate SC, but it's a really fucking shit deal from people who've travelled all over
When some people who just wanted to have a fun night out have been totally shated
damn their eyes
probably some contractual legal bullshit, but if you're fucking people around at least say why and take the flack for it if it was avoidable, and have people's sympathy if it really was unavoidable
buy loads of props for it
...people know that when they pay, right?
but I'd imagine this'd come up in small print once you'd at least decided you were going to spring for the tickets, at least.
it's not like its the devon county show or anything
for the folks who'd spent hundreds on flights and hotels etc
woah didn't know people would do that
They've dealt with the former enough times for it to be something they're familiar with. The latter is is on a scale they've never attempted before.
Can only bring himself to defend them halfheartedly
HAWKWIND McCALLISTER gets up from his easy chair and places Back to the Future into his DVD player, making sure to adjust the disc in such a way as the titles are directly facing towards him. He checks his phone, nods, and then returns to the chair.
HAWKWIND McCALLISTER: It's time.
He presses play on the remote. The screen shows the usual stuff: legal information, a patronising thank you message, and the logos. It reaches the menu, and HAWKWIND takes a deep breath.
He presses play.
The roof disappears as if by Kasabian; and HAWKWIND feels himself levitating. First at a slow speed, but then, as his body becomes accustomed to the sensation, he begins to feel the wind rush by him as he rises swiftly towards the sky. He sees the moon pass by him, and then - as if no time had passed at all - sees the solar system reduce to mere insignificance in a sea of other clustered lights. He sees once-threatening celestial beasts reduced to ants at a speed unfathomable to humans.
He is at the edge of the universe now. In front of him is all the light that exists. HAWKWIND can look behind him, but he cannot remember what was there when he turns back.
This doesn't matter.
The lights -- all of them that exist -- begin to move in tandem. They form the iconic Amblin logo. HAWKWIND McCALLISTER is excited. This is the most secret cinema of all. All existence is screen; all that ever was, is, and ever will be dedicated to these 116 (approx.) minutes.
The logos -- the first signifier of the film's age judging by the nature of their construction -- pass and the film starts. HAWKWIND has a realisation, one that confirms fears that started rattling about a couple of minutes ago.
HAWKWIND McCALLISTER: Ohhh-- I forgot to go for a wazz before leaving. (looks around the ENTIRETY OF EXISTENCE'S MAJESTY for a nearby loo).
I'd say SC isn't even really for hipsters, more annoying Organised Fun types. Far worse.
never thought i'd say that.
"We literally came from Cambodia and won't be around for rescheduled tickets"
Imagine paying that just to see some bands!
Stupid faux nostalgic cunts
Hope this appears on channel 5s cowboy builders
But it has grown too expensive, overblown, and is full of really annoying cunts. The set not being finished is un-forgivable, as is using unpaid interns to do your dirty work e.g. telling the crowd the show is off.
I also feel really sorry for non-cunty people who have spent a fortune on tickets and planned around this - particularly those not from London.
"Immersive cinema experience" to justify the cost.
Is a film even the sort of thing you want to watch simultaneously with thousands of other people anyway? In a cinema it's a more intimate atmosphere, you've got a seat and an unobstructed view... I'm not sure I'd want to watch a film in the open with that many other people.
Watching scream in the cinema tent at reading 97 was probably the best cinema experience I've had, always liked the look if drive ins too, guess some people like to be part of a communal atmosphere it's not just watching a film
JARETH GORSCHWIN: Are you sure this is, like, Secret Cinema, man?
FARMER GRANT 'CRAZY HORSE' GRANTHAM: Yes. Now keep you milking that ocelot and then you can watch The Gremlins in the chicken coop
JARETH GORSCHWIN: (hesitant) OK
They should switch it to gremlins halfway through think it used the same town set
have they only just realized the set wasn't going to be finished in time?
Basically company ran by cunts in being kinda cunty shocker.
Have they said anything about tomoz yet? Pretty bad if not, they could save people time and money
YOU DON'T NEED MONEY
DON'T TAKE FAME
DON'T NEED NO CREDIT CARD TO RIDE THIS TRAIN
Hardly 'secret' now, is it?
people paid £53 to go and see back to the future in an open air cinema with a bar and people dressed as marty mcfly, is that what they did?
cos i live near a stupid place where a pint can easily cost a tenner and a burger thirty quid, but that still amazes me.
don't forget the decorations!
people pay similar amounts for football matches, theatre etc at least BTTF is worth watching. Id happily pay that if it lived up to how they were selling it.
You lot aren't fans of people having a bit of fun are you?
would warrant a 100 thread reply on DiS
why is something being predictable bad?
But it is.
It's about the future
between paying £50 for this and paying similar amounts of money to see a band you like in a big venue?
What's the difference between both those things and going out for a nice meal with a friend and paying £50?
MAYBE WE'LL NEVER KNOW
Theyre both things done by needy people who need to take endless pictures of themselves having a GREAT time with all their BESTIES in a SITUATION where people can SEE theyre HAVING a brilliant SMASHING time. Should just stay at home and play FM14 the dumb pricks
yeah that is exactly why I go to gigs
@CIA: I can neither confirm or deny that Ed Sheeran is OFF DA HOOK THIS NITE, lol ;D
one is worth it and one isn't?
The other is BTTF secret cinema event
im not afraid to admit I love nostalgia,
past > the present > the future
is so many meta levels of Nostalgia too
they really knew how to do nostalgia in the 80s, not like today
doesn't exactly live up to the promise of recreating hill valley, just looks like a festival stage and a couple of marquees
and I think there's meant to be two - one for 1985 and one for 1955.
Apart from the house and the shopping mall, most of the other locations in the films are centred around the square.
Look at you fucking foreskins. Still going.
elevated you above th-
I enjoyed the second BTTF more than the first
It's not even that much money, probably only slightly more than most people would spend on an average weekend
and on your way to the pub they were like "sorry, we didn't get any booze in"
I agree but implied mocking of people willing to pay &53 is seperate from that
Oo, I'm having fun, I'll buy another round of vk ice, rather than going out with "I am going to spend £53"
but keep the analogies coming, they're great fun.
Or while £53 is a crazy amount for a cinema ticket, the concept of dressing up and going to a themed fully staged showing of a cult film I'm a big fan of, with loads of other people who are also fans and enjoying the event and the collective expericence sounds fun - and not unlike a gig tbh.
I'd do that for an Indiana Jones film or something (but not the £53! the idiots).
but the £53 tickets make it pretty clear which direction it's going.
Would you want to go to a light-hearted film showing/party where everyone had paid £53 to get in? Me neither.
SC seem to have massively ramped up their ticket price as they've become more successful - in contrast, say, to Door in a Wall which are hugely subscribed but haven't gone up that much.
Amanda Palmer cunts
...which was If... at Dulwich College - was a tenner including booking fee.
The most recent one was £30 despite the day being shorter. Definitely going in the same direction as SC.
not quite as drastic as 10 to 53 tho.
"Cynical thundercunts who could probably do with relaxing, focusing on what is making them so unhappy in their own lives and/or just getting laid" Audit:
you look as though you've always got an invisible fedora on at all times, you're a sucker for anything hipster'merican that even threatens to appear in London and you are basically the most new-London person on the boards!
And i'm not even saying that's a terrible thing, mind. Just that the pot and kettle interface is all kinds of black-calling
this is like settling in for a quiet spot of fishing and having some lunatic sprint up and throw a 64-stone tuna in your lap =D
"Look at you fucking foreskins. Still going."
I'd had a lot of booze by that point.
i'm not even someone that into the idea of the secret cinema setup - haven't been yet, mainly because none of the films/concepts have been enticing enough. If they do an Expendables one with explosions, i'll pay whatever it takes.
But you don't get to be the guy chortling when christ knows you've paid too much money for hipster fad food on a gigantically regular basis. It just doesn't make any sense. I need you to see that.
Please see that.
Fancy going to this new pop up mexican place followed by a quote along at the Prince Charles? What a trio we could be.
Fidel seems to be being stubborn about it though.
I feel like i understand Louis and his frustrations with the board suddenly.
nothing's ever that bad, shirley.
All bickering but all essentially the same person <3
It was a freebie as I was doing some work with the venue at the time.
I enjoyed it but I wouldn't have paid £45 quid a ticket for it (which was the cost). Fun things:
- Dressing up. (I like doing this)
- You got given a Casablanca passport with your identity for the night, which was fun.
- They randomly recruited a few people for the resistance, which was fun, and there was a big band and lots of professional dancers, fun, and every now and again a scene from the film would happen around you, fun.
- There was a casino. Fun!
Watching the film with loads of fans dressed up - also fun.
The main thing that bugged me was that the food and drink costs were steep, which seemed mad since the ticket prices were high and we were a captive audience. And it didn't *quite* know what it wanted to be - it was nowhere near the level of Punchdrunk/The Drowned Man for immersive theatrical experience, although the cost was comparable, but it was huge, so much bigger than the other shows they'd done, that actually the film screening itself probably wasn't as much fun as more intimate screening.
I had about the same amount of fun as I had at the Les Miserables screening I went to at the Prince Charles, but it was a much more expensive night even with a free ticket, because at least I got a free glass of red and some pizza at that.
"Waaaaah, people don't like the same things I like or think the same things I think. I don't liiiiike it."
You're all for diversity as long as it looks the same as you.
Savour this moment, it doesn't happen often.
For a site that tolerated people collecting World Cup sticker books it really is not on
...of their misleading advertising should dictate the extent of their punishment.
Also, it's unclear from the article whether that £1.2m is from the court case or possibly just some sloppy journalism. Check the maths on the whole sentence - 'Visitors were charged £30 a ticket and with up to 10,000 advance bookings online, the Mears brothers were set to gross £1.2m overall.'
someone who steals a fleet of Porsches is going to get a heftier punishment than someone who steals a loaf of bread.
But yeah, good point about the figures.
if they were making that much money it's a wonder someone hasn't taken the idea and actually made a decent go of it.
couldn't be that hard surely?
only need to put up with screaming weans for one month a year and the rest of the time all you have to do is shovel up reindeer poo, for £1.2m a year?
sounds alright to me.
for what it is, the price seems about right...
probably the same you would pay going to the cinema, getting something to eat and a couple drinks, in that london. (i know food and drink is extra at these things).
so i get the price for what seems like a fairly big do.
but...i just fucking hate 'event' activities that try to make an 'event' out of something a bit shit and not very eventful (this isn't watching the Godfather on a screen in rural Sicily or something actually worth travelling for). they try to seem niche and exciting and one-off...and it smacks of being desperate to do something just because you can say, 'i did this thing that not many other people did'. it's like we're desperate to find new things to do...it's like inventing technology that isn't needed, just so we can keep doing something new.
i like doing shit, i really do. going to places, seeing things...
but i hate it when it seems like something has been desperately manufactured to facilitate an 'experience'. it's just hot tub cinema with a bigger budget (if not quite the same level of organisational sophistication, evidently*)
i dunno. i get why people would want to do this, but this specific example just seems a bit...desperate, or something.
*I'm saying hot tub cinema was better organised!
or have anything to do with it.
A lot of people in this thread seem to be struggling to with this. Secret Cinema, the amount it charges, or the events it runs can have absolutely no impact on your life whatsoever unless you allow it to do so of your own free choice.
Hating on them is mostly farting into the wind, as is your post in response to that hate, as is this post in response to yours.
Let's not get all nihilistic about this though. It's at least interesting that the SC model can be a viable business concern despite being so expensive. Something about the demand for a bit of nostalgic fantasy, and I mean that in a non-dirty sense. The films we used to watch becoming institutions, I dunno.
Aside from that, their record on volunteering policy is enough to make them fair game as far as I'm concerned.
of a thing i was watching the other night, where the big companies realised that, if they can make adult consumers continue to act like child consumers (playing computer games and still dressing up like gandalf and buying lightsabers and whatever when you're 35) then that means big dollar bills.
all a bit like that really. don't get me wrong, but this whole Hill Valley recreation thing.....not a million miles away from disneyland.
than the pastimes you choose to pursue?
or that i'm a noble man who manages to live completely free from big-money corporate manipulation.
I'm merely making a point...it reminds me of that. which i thought was an interesting comment on consumer culture today.
"this isn't watching the Godfather on a screen in rural Sicily or something actually worth travelling for"
I mean that's like something out of Frasier. It's pretentious beyond belief to suggest that that is more acceptable than people recreating something from BTTF in London.
of those reunion tours where you pay £53 to watch Atomic Kitten and Liberty X et al. Only with a veneer of London smugness.
did you heck. Let's have a pint.
that was me talking about the actual value of this specific event...i then went on to talk about how this fits into a wider view of consumer culture, which i am probably also guilty of buying into.
but to address that point....is it pretentious? to think that there might be a more exciting and interesting way to conduct a secret cinema event than simply (by the look of the site) knocking up a few shop fronts out of mdf in a field and pretending it is a dazzling recreation of a film set.
the magic might kick in at some point, but for now i'm not convinced how immersive an experience this will be. which I'm allowed to think, right? i could've been a customer and i was marketed to, but i chose not to be because i thought it would be shit, so I'm allowed that opinion to think it would be shit, right?
i think showing films in places directly related to the film is quite a cool idea.
this, i do not think, is a cool idea. does that make me pretentious?
fawlty towers in a shit hotel
blackadder in the 2nd world war.
is someone writing these down?
might start a company called secret sitcom.
when they started doing the outdoor screenings.
I saw The Holy Grail in Newcastle keep: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2004/jul/23/news3
I saw Big Wednesday on a beach in Newquay in '96.
(It was free, too.)
Just build various staircases
Ideally it'd be equidistant between London and Norwich.
(Limited seating capacity, but people will pay loads more than £53 a ticket)
if like at disney where they have actors to dress up like the characters from frozen and stuff....
they should've got some actors to pretend to be Marty and Doc!!!
could you imagine that! worth the money spent on the plane ticket, alone.
the fact that i have expressed an opinion on it means that, through my own free choice, i have allowed it to have an impact on my life.
what a wonderful world we live in, where we can allow ourselves opinions on stuff that we have no direct impact on our lives.
Would love to hear Loui_Tacceh's thoughts on this.
and new experiences, especially when it's sometimes things you might not be comfortable doing, is fucking awesome and keeps life vital and exciting.
I'm not sure where SC fits in with that, but I'm addressing your point about people constantly needing new experiences. We do, but that's fine. If you can do it, it's great. Especially if you can do it on a really small scale, without spending shitloads of traveling miles. Like just climbing a tree or something can completely shift your perspective and make a day.
I bet you can't. People would be walking around under the tree, with no idea you were there. It's naughty and fun.
DOC: MIKEY I GONE TRAVELED BACK IN TIM
MIKEY: THIS IS THE HEAVIES
DOC: GRATE SCOT
Please shut it down.
i made a hilariously bitchy Vine about the whole thing.
is elthamsmateowen the bearded hat?
ElthamsmateOwen, marckee, non-DiSer, non-DiSer, non-DiSer and xylopwn (Picture: Nigel Howard)
to marckee so that he can be the size of a normal human.
A bearded man in a hat.
Paid less than £53 a ticket...?
(I haven't bought a ticket for this, btw)
I'd be expecting something pretty fucking spectacular for a £53 film screening
I just clicked on couple of random showings of the Book Of Mormon (legit site, not a re-seller or anything) and the only tickets available are £127 or £149.
Bearing in mind Secret Cinema is a fucking massive set with actors involved, £53 doesn't seem that unreasonable. I think people in this thread just don't know how much things actually realistically cost.
I'm sure they've done their maths... I guess I just can't imagine spending that amount of money on something like that. I don't like actors and sets *that* much :)
there are worse things to spend £53 on, I'm sure
...properly immersive only with actors acting out the film.
Even if you buy a cheap seat, they're bumping people up to good ones so that there aren't huge gaps in the stalls.
At the start of its run so I could take my sister for her birthday. Was more miffed at the bar prices tbh - £19 for two glasses on wine...
Think the most I've paid recently was £20 to see Clarence Darrow which had Kevin Spacey in it. Though the most expensive tickets for that were like £90.
Most I've paid in the last 5 years is £20
they're really committing to the theme this time.
I just got fucking soaked getting my lunch...
I had an umbrella at lunch
this is 100% classic DiS material
when it takes xylopwn telling you to stop being a snob, you know you're in it deep.
I've forgotten on which exact level you were doing me down to feel better about yourself now.
Just snob, buddy. And it wasn't just you. It's all of us. You're just the one who likes antagonising people with little smirky stuff, so you get both barrels when you do it.
and then the other half of DiS believes itself to be above being above that. Until we are nothing but dust in the earth this will continue.
Just a bunch of sillies in lab coats who've had their night out ruined by shit organizing
who are attending the show in this thread. For the most part it's a lot of people telling themselves they're better than the folk who are going to it.
When they're no better, no worse (possibly worse)
I hate people
Demonstrated spectacularly by someone posting in a thread, then calling everyone else foreskins for posting in the thread, then continuing to post in the thread.
it's just a constant pile of people trying to prove their superiority, myself included and DEFINITELY this cunt included too.
it was for the cunts believing themselves to be enlightened because they're not attending an event)
Maybe this is the moment where I realise that DiS is just some sort of stasis zone where my time goes to die.
DiS has finally changed my life
over the other members of DiS there. :D
Xylo and catstro can at least get behind disgust with someone else.
because you haven't taken my advice to climb a tree. I can lead you to the water, but you're going to have to drink it yourself.
It's really not their day, is it?
Lynsey Mellows, from north London, was driving to the show when her friend checked Facebook and read the organiser's statement.
"At first we thought it was a hoax," she told the BBC.
"I think they couldn't prevent people from getting here because they already told people to not bring their phones. It's a big lesson for them to learn; sending 3,500 people to a secret location without their phones."
this is why i'm fully behind people hating on the organisers, and not the people attending.
Because man alive that's a gloriously silly thing
so that people didn't take photos and spoil it for others.
Need a late entry from someone if we want to spark this thread into 'classic' territory. Maybe someone from Secret Cinema? Could definitely see it through to hometime if so.
Brusma hasn't appeared.
I found it pretty fun, until they priced me out the market. The idea of paying 2 or 3 times what you would normally pay for a movie, to be immersed in a cult film with a load of cinephiles was cool. Hence it was so successful.
Seems from the minute they partnered with Windows Phones it became dodgy and corporate as fuck. Maybe the motives were super corporate all along, but it had a vibe for a love of independent and creative cinema, in an age where most people are happy downloading films to watch on their laptop.
I guess now they have much more lavish sets, tons more actors etc., but that wasn't the bit that appealed to me at all, just the general vibe and geeking out for cinema. So the extra £40 or whatever seems ludicrous.
I'm just astonished by how often these "hipster" event organisers end up completely fucking over their customers and treat them with complete disdain.
This thread has (somewhat predictably) turned into a whole load of disdain for the punters and the concept but I do think there's something interesting about how often this kind of demographic-event/company fuck everyone over so often.
to do with people putting together things like this having no prior experience in customer service.
I guess the nature of trendy pop-up type deals allows for inexperienced "entrepreneurs" to become popular a hell of a lot quicker to the point where they end up being out of their depth quite quickly or something.
There's something about the basic lack of communication that you'd really expect absolutely anyone to realise is unacceptable though.
feeling that they're doing they're customers some sort of favour by putting on such an awesome, off beat event. Also, if you tell yourself often enough that you're a free-thinking anti-corporate radical putting on something exciting and new and different and not being a dead-eyed corporate schill then you start to believe it.
Particularly with the DiS favourite topic, trendy burger places.
They could make their customer's lives a lot easier by taking bookings but the attitude is that it's some kind of a privilege to eat there rather than a simple trade of cash for goods/services.
are the twats who make Innocent smoothies.
or Apple, or anywhere that has a sort of 'founding myth' of not being about making a shedload of money of wide-eyed cretins.
Innocent and Ben & Jerry's seem like pretty wildly successful global companies, with good customer service records. Kind of what these people think they can do, but they actually put the work in.
But it's the way that both of them have managed to build and maintain an image that they're in it for the love of a thing rather than to make money that draws the comparison.
but I thought the issue here was creating that image for your company, then being really shit. Whereas Innocent, Apple and B&J create a bullshit image for their companies, but back it up by being really good at what they do.
to current small and indie ice cream people
How about Google and their whole tittering "Don't be evil" schtick? Because they are a shower of unethical cunts if ever there was one.
I'm not falling for any of those companies' shite PR strategies, but at least they can back them up with their actions (ie the company works and is competent).
My bigger issue is with companies who try to create that image, but are a shambles.
I don't know if I'm 'fine' with it, but it seems like quite a big issue to tackle in this thread. I'd need to have a bit of a think.
and you (incorrectly) dismissed my examples, so I gave you a cast-iron one. It's about companies believing their own hype.
you fucking cretin.
If you read back to what the 'phenomenon' you were replying about was, you'll see you were wrong, but you've gone into 'foaming at the mouth' mode, so I'll leave you to to it.
Forget it, Donny. You're out of your element.
Stop being so sad, Royter.
celebrating cinema, is it?
They generally show the film uninterrupted. The props, costumes, actors etc. are their to create the world of the film around you, so you're immersed in the world of the movie before you watch it. Kind of like a temporary theme park. It's asking you to invest more in the experience, and as an idea for a load of film geeks to get together and do it's a lot of fun. That's why a load of people legitimately volunteered to make it happen. As a profit driven enterprise, where they can afford to pay those people but don't, it loses some of its appeal.
by the shite dvd projection of the film conking out halfway through, cos they dont give two shits about projection or sound quality
and the blade runner one:
"If you’ve seen Blade Runner, you’ll know that there’s a very significant emotional climax towards the end. At this precise moment during the screening, the organisers of Secret Cinema decided to illuminate two spotlights in the makeshift auditorium, revealing two actors suspended on wires by the far right wall. They were mimicking the poses of the two characters on screen. Heads turned. The audience applauded. The ‘tears in rain’ speech went unheard. The film was ruined."
That looks terrible!
i know it's only a few photos, but if they're even slightly representative, that looked fucking shit.
it feels more like Blade Runner walking through Southend High Street on a saturday night.
For people who like their nerdy veneer without the stigma of getting too deep into the lifestyle, like people who are into Marvel films or The Big Bang Theory.
And it's definitely nerdy. But generally cinema doesn't have the stigma that comics etc. do. Neither does music. We don't laugh at those nerds who go the big 'music conventions' in fields every year.
live cinema isn't
Just £53 a ticket for yesterday to happen all over again!
but i really think my Vine up there didn't get enough attention.
shame. real shame. the disappointment continues.
i'm almost as bad at selling my product as Secret Cinema are
maybe i should post it again, but just not write any description.
like it's a secret as to what it is. that seems to work pretty wel.....oh
how is this on 300 replies. what are youse talking about?
Like a five-hour arthouse film where nothing happens
Like if Boyhood was less focused on the angst and painful philosophising of awkward adolescent boys and... wait a minute...
To have a nice dance with your loved ones to earth angel etc. Not really into the film being shown that bit would be a bit boring/ I've seen it a million times. Does it include drinks?
it's cancelled :(
I thought my having to do some work would have left this thread dwindling but you could easily hit 3/400 at this pace
on the EXACT same day that michael_w strolls into town....
bit of a coincidence wouldn't you say?
there's now a job available there:
Not only do I have relevant experience, but I was probably going to add 'managed to organise an effective and well communicated piss up in a well known brewing establishment.'
ALL THESE ENDS
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE
bear in mind if its not and you say yes and i read it i dont really care cause my time's not that valuable. but i will think you like something shit and refuse to accept that you might have been lying.
“I’m going to kill myself by eating non-artisan fried chicken for every meal until I keel over.”
inc. the obligatory "more from elsewhere" clickbait nonsense
they're definitely keen to guide your choice in online casinos.
...but, as someone who's worked in both project and events management man this sort of thing makes me feel really bad for them (and also a little bit sick). Every company overstretches themselves once in a while with ambition. Also quite a few stories of people travelling all over for it as a birthday surprise/present for their kids/partners and that... that's got to hurt.
Their lack of communication is quite galling though. Don't worry though - they'll get their commuppence through reputation damage. They've only got one product. If their audience don't trust them to deliver it in future then... they're fucked.
Feel bad for all concerned tbh.
My friend went past yesterday afternoon and sent me a text to say that it now looks amazing to be fair.
We'll see what happens. If people are that bothered about it then SC will be irredeemably hit in their pockets. If not - the whole thing will carry on as normal. It seems immensely popular these days, after all.
It seems like aside from paedophilia, there's nothing you can do to harm a reputation now.
The main problem, which ATP probably have as well, is people being reluctant to commit to the price of a ticket owing to nervousness about the event happening. An organisation will always need early ticket sales for cash-flow purposes to make sure the thing, um, gets built and that. If SC are struggling with events on this scale even with a full complement of ticketed punters then... that's a bit of a worry for them.
We'll see. Think most people will let them off one mistake so long as there's enough of an explanation/contrition of apology.
The atp Iceland 60 euro early bird ticket screams we need money now
Not in a public sense. Seems like all their events are doing well now.
in that they have several different revenues streams and diversification of products. Not a lot, but enough for them to be able to subsidise losses and whatnot. SC have one product and one product only, it seems. If they are going to experience cashflow issues owing to lack of trust from their fans then... could be problematic.
Also - no-one knows how well ATP are doing now. Time will tell.
But by the end of this run people will be sure Secret Cinema pulled it off and the like and they will still go. The people who booked travel well in advance and can't make a rescheduling are probably edge cases, given how many people booked. Most likely live in or around London and weren't really hit for a vast amount of money, given they could afford to spend £53 + booking on this. I'm not being snarky there, just stating facts. And that means most of those disappointed would likely still go to another event, albeit everyone will be less likely to book the first night or similar. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, if you lived in London and booked and it was cancelled you either got your money back or will get to see it.
pop-up cunts competing for your money. Depends how bad the PR fallout from this is.
People don't give a shit about this any more. The idea of integrity and being trusted is pretty much dying out I think.
Yeah, people will remember that time Secret Cinema fucked up but then they'll see a new event and they'll still by tickets.
Just like everyone who saw the first Transformers film seemed to think it was worth paying to see the sequels.
Seem to remember a thread on here showing that business was doing fine.
We'll see what happens at the next event.
When they did their Grand Budapest Hotel one their FB page was full of people saying, "£53? Fuck that. Too expensive!" and others saying this was the last time they were going.
If BTTF was after that (and I'd guess it probably was) then clearly people were lying or else they have a much bigger customer base than a few moaners on FB implies.
of a company/brand based upon a few bits of ranty flimflam on facebook?? I swear you're cleverer than this. Swear it.
What are you basing your assessment of customer perception on? Find me a news story on this that isn't based on the reaction to Secret Cinema on Twitter or Facebook?
This sold well. It looks like it's going to open fine on Thursday and everyone with tickets to shows that run fine will remember what a success it was. Those who got burned early but still saw it will likely grudgingly accept it. That's all I'm saying. I don't believe there will be a strong impact on sales to the public as a result of this particular fuck up.
I'm saying `I don't know` and `we'll see`.
Since deleted but I got a handy screenshot.
leading to a couple of events being postponed or cancelled.
Like, unless you are saying the events lost them loads of ticket money, it's immaterial. If people are still paying for tickets, and it seems very much like they are, it's completely by the by.
ATP have lost shed loads of money on a few of the festivals. Barry Hogan himself admitted that they'd lost a five-figure sum on the first New York ATP, and they lost money on the Matt Groening and Breeders weekends. There was also the IBYM postponement, and at least one of the weekender postponements, which was due to upfront cash flow issues.
And that was due to them going for too big a venue to satisfy demand.
I'm talking about reputations here. I don't believe ATP's completely shite ability to run their gigs has been significant in removing ticket-payers from their books. Obviously there are some people who now don't do their shows because of this, but even the original Jabberwocky threads you saw loads of people saying they were buying tickets despite not wanting to give ATP money.
But they're never going to give ATP any more of their money.
If Jabberwocky hadn't been set up in conjunction with Primavera and Pitchfork, I'd wager that a lot less tickets would have been sold in advance. As it is, it's not sold out yet, and has sold a lot less than the previous IBYM events.
also, the Butlins/Pontins weekenders stopped selling out, which has got to be the main reason they stopped doing them.
(That was partly down to oversaturation and boring line-ups as much as reputation damage, but the idea that ATP and Secret Cinema are as bulletproof as they are in Theo's imagination is a little skewiff at best)
ATP's biggest problem was likely the age of the blokes who went to it. Yeah, 'kids' did come in but people can only go to the same festival so many times. Reading and Glastonbury run a different sort of festival entirely. ATP started doing London gigs for most of the key acts, which took a chunk of prospective chalet-buyers anyway.
But, that's an issue for organisation and fucking things up. The question being mooted was whether this colossal fuck up would screw Secret Cinema over, and I don't think it will. It took ATP a number of bad PR moments combined with providing some dull line ups to lose some of their core ticket buyers.
It would be nice to think people have integrity and don't pay money to stuff that's fucked up, but they don't. They just buy it again assuming that the last time was a blip.
that Secret Cinema being what it is means that they're likely to suffer quite a lot. They only do these events, and the whole 'buying a ticket to something when you don't really know what it is or where it's going to be' requires a lot more trust than your average big event. That loss of trust, coupled with the fact that the events have been getting bigger and more expensive so original marckee-style I-liked-their-earlier-stuff types will be drifting away, means that they'll probably struggle.
Who knows? It's all conjecture - if they're canny enough they'll manage a way out of it, but they're in an unenviably precarious position.
Welcome to a discussion board on the internet. :D
Think it depends, I would take a chance on a jabberwocky day ticket, definitely wouldn't risk a full weekend ticket, and if they still did something where you had to buy a whole chalet then definitely not that
which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it,
...with a forged cheque just to make sure.
But whose going to get the 400th post? Exciting...
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!
(sorry EMO :( )
That's ok (I thought you already had)
I'm mainly just disappointed you allowed hatfood and fidel to get to you.
LONG CON, BITCHES
imagine making 499 and being run out.
Not going to happen to me, I swear it.
Adults paying money to be 'immersed' in a children's film... not quite right.
Remember when everyone pretended to love 'the goonies' a couple of years ago? You generation Xers need to let go of your childhoods.
People of my generation don't have the option of cloying nostalgia that you and other generation Xers (old people) do. Generation Y is forced to deal with stuff and grow up early. It is literally your fault personally that I have limited life choices.
Well done yes_! Well done Royter!
rich folks with too much cash to play around with, happy to fork it out for a bit of overpriced nostalgia to make themselves feel alive.
Just for once, use your powers for good.
like "sean is the best user on this website, three cheers for sean!"
gonna be 500 and I haven't even had to do any of the heavy lifting
much funnier if it gets to the 490s first
I've finally opened it. What on earth has made this crack 400?
Tickets still available though!
is now receiving coverage in the national newspapers.
Finally! Concrete evidence that the London media establishment has its head firmly entrenched up its own bourgeois anus.
organised by a man with no regard for the happiness or welfare of other human beings.
Thought this was the Retrospectacular thread!
wtf does it even have to do with them!?
The Independent's review is appalling. And incredibly, the lead story on their website.
last two paras:
"Sometimes the immersive experience was so good that it blurred the line between fiction and reality. I was treated to a beard trim by Paul des Reis of Genko Male Grooming, who revealed that his first customer that night didn’t realise he was actually going to get a real hair cut.
My favourite venue was Hill Valley High School, where the Enchantment Under the Sea dance took place. A band was playing music, and you saw the classroom where the teacher warned of the dangers of communism and the opposite sex. And then there was the visit by Mr Strickland, who managed to improvise lines from the film."
last paragraph sounds like something from a school report, and penultimate is just stupid: "someone told me that someone else didnt realise that the hairdressers was real. this is an example of something being very immersive, which is very good"
Improvsied. Lines from a 20 year old film. hmmm...
"I'm here to see the disaster," said Alistair Sibley, 32. "How many phones they lose, who gets stuck in the mud, all the chaos."
"The issues I had with the reports saying that we weren't ready, well, we were ready to open but the technical aspects"
got a refund in advance cos he assumed it'd still be borked
That I bought in Camden Market.
I might also smoke a pipe while I'm there.
talking about all this? He didn't really offer any concrete explanation, just moaned on about how he'd learnt so much from it all and no one was sorrier than him. And then moaned about people trying to take pictures of the set while being photographed in front of the set. They're expanding to the US soon, too.
What a load of shit.
We are pleased that the problems from last week have now been sorted out. As you have no doubt read, we were under immense pressure from the local authorities due to the fully immersive experience that we offer our audience. I have read this thread and can fully understand the issues that some you have had with our company. I would like to personally apologise for any inconvenience caused and also point out that any complaints can be directed in the form of a direct message to our Facebook account and I will reply personally.
, we were under immense pressure from the local authorities due to the fully immersive experience that we offer our audience.
What this world is about
Watching some good friends
Scream "Let me out!"
I'd think a lot more of them if they did, rather than couching it all in some bullshit learned-a-lot pressure-from-outside victim-of-our-own-incredible-vision-and-ambition it's-not-easy-trying-to-be-this-clever-with-all-the-haters non apology.
See also ATP, BLOC, etc.
its right next to westfield stratford you idiots
and then get the school buses in i guess. i just went for a run and saw the site. looks shite, but it is literally across the street from the john lewis at westfield
No thanks Secret Cinema, what a Galactic fucking rip off.
I'm going, worth it
I hope they slice open a Tauntaun and let you experience the movie while lying in its hot, sticky insides.
To the Music Board!