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I was thinking that next time I get woken early at the weekend I should just get in the car get on the M4 burn it over the border and come back. Would be back well before lunch.
is there a valley as soon as you get over the border?
Wales is so great and so close
Apologies for the blatent oneupmanship
shouting "ARAF GARETH ARAF!" from the back seat periodically
...only to quite happily apply her own notions of English stereotyping throughout. Lazy.
I didn't think anything of it at the time, but my mam doesn't speak Welsh so I'd be speaking Welsh all day long and then come home and speak English.
Thanks for your time.
I think Welsh should be a part of the school curriculum if you live in Wales, it is one of the oldest languages in Europe after all. But the whole of Britain? Hmm.
My poor dyslexic mind wasn't able to learn a language that I actually wanted to learn as part of my education.
but I think you'd struggle to argue that Welsh was in anyway more appropriate or worthwhile than the dozens of others that might actually be useful in later life.
"usefulness" measured by popularity of the language and taken to its logical conclusion assumes that there's no point in knowing anything besides english. learning a language give you other things too, cultural appreciation, better understanding of your own native language, etc.
safe space policy don't argue with me mark
Kids who learn languages from a young age also do better in lots of other school subjects too, and learning other languages young also means that learning more languages at a later date is a lot easier.
I still think you'd struggle to justify making a student in England learn Welsh over just about any other major language though, even if you base it on your argument.
i'm ashamed to say i don't speakathawelsh.
not ashamed enough to do anything about it though.
I understand the whole "welsh knot" and boo-hoo the English oppressed our language to nothing-ness about it, but I have no desire to learn Welsh, and took German in school (so I could say more things to ol' ma Balonx while pounding her) and now am learning Spanish. Don't mind if people want to learn a bit of Welsh for shits & giggles, but always thought making it a mandatory GCSE subject was total bollocks (didn't apply to my year, thankfully).
They say it's not a dead language but all new Welsh words are just crappy imitations of their English equivalents rather than it having a more natural evolution to have hundreds of words for sheep or something.
I'm boring myself now so I'll stop.
"Don't mind if people want to learn a bit of Welsh for shits & giggles, but always thought making it a mandatory GCSE subject was total bollocks (didn't apply to my year, thankfully)."
How can keeping a very old language alive be bullshit?!
just not interested myself and was glad to be given the choice
doesn't mean it needs to be kept alive
just compared to mainland western europe where there's a lot more mixing and general... respect for neighbouring countries
respect is a stupid word. sympathy, understanding, etc.
areas of Germany, areas of Italy, of Belgium, of the Netherlands etc. And many countries that were fairly arbitrary constructs (Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia USSR etc) have disintegrated in violent and bloody ways.
and i didn't mean that everyone in europe loves each other unconditionally, it's just interesting to observe the interactions of other countries when compared with the uk. they interact on a more equal level and it's tacit that they all have something to offer. contrast that with the way all non-english uk countries are portrayed as secondary players who would be lost without daddy. glorified counties, almost.
No other country has their centre of government, it's centre of economic power, it's cultural and historical centre, and its proximity to European markets all in the same corner of its land, and no other country has such a wide division between this corner and the rest of the country.
i don't like it at all
I want my kids to grow up speaking at least two languages. Not sure how useful Welsh would actually be realistically though, I don't even live there anymore. I hate to say that but i've often wished I was fluent in Spanish or something.
my family tried to teach me french when i was five but i couldn't really be arsed.
i've had friends who didn't learn english until they were that age as well. also a friend who was born here to british parents but had no use for anything other than bsl until they were four.
spend lots of time in another country it'd be easier i guess.
i think with me i didn't see the point. didn't go to france for ages and everyone i knew spoke good english. i was already speaking with a really strong accent before i learned any french, too (french people think i'm german/belgian when i speak french).
but there are huge advantages to learning other languages than just the jobs it might afford you, to the extent that I think all children should be learning at least one other language right from the start of school - it's been shown to benefit children in many other subjects and areas of learning and empathy etc.
The right wing press in this country get very upset when they see statistics for the number of primary school children who have English as a second language, often conflating it with children who can't speak English. In fact, you'll usually find that the children of immgrants/migrants are the ones who are disproportionately better at learning and speaking ALL languages, not just English and their native tongue.
I didn't start learning a second language until I was 11 - already too late, and I was so bad at French (and then German) that I dropped them before GCSE. If I had kids, I'd definitely get them learning a language and/or mixing with people who spoke another language as much as I could, as young as I could.
going to help kids get jobs is it? French/German/Mandarin will. That is the point of school right? Not to make a country feel better about themselves?
I'm interested. What is your opinion on this then?
I'm thinking practically here.
I just think that there is such a finite amount of learning time in school I'd encourage the use of it very carefully.
Being a Welsh speaker will be an advantage for nearly any job in Wales, and is practically a requirement for a lot of high-end jobs.
My brother runs a shop in Wales, and has had customers come in (admittedly this was during the nearby Eistedfodd), asked if anyone spoke Welsh, found out no one did and walked out.
was suggesting that Welsh should in all British schools. I shouldn't post on important threads before my morning coffee.
Happy to eat my words.
the biggest of the job search engines (generally includes the biggest job sites) and done a bit of search based on the terms below.
Welsh speaking - 237 jobs
German speaking - 1, 685 jobs
French speaking - 1,440 jobs
Did a couple of searches on Wales based job boards as well, pretty low numbers.
My basic is point is that I would want my kids to learn a language which will increase their chances of getting a job. Other languages appear to offer that(although will admit that isn't exactly perfect data). Also, let's remember this is MY OPINION.
This isn't about that though is it? It's about teaching future generations useful skills for their lives.
If Mandarin(or maybe Hindi) was a dominant language in England, I would want my kids to learn that. I would however get them to learn English at home.
I don't mean to be harsh at all but it seems to me that this a matter of pride over practicality.
it's an official language in a large part of Britain (as opposed to England). Might your kids not want to move outside the English border at some point? You can manage fine in Wales without Welsh, but it's definitely a help if you have it. I'm definitely more likely to move to Wales than I am to France, so it would have been much more useful for me.
::attention span melts to zero::
Was forced to continue it to GCSE, got an E in it, then spent my time trying to learn a language I actually had use for.
www.neonhighwire.com/dissisms needs an update, maoam.
when Welsh is apparently 99% consonants.
grew up in a county which borders Wales, and I have friends and family who live there now so I visit quite a lot. If I ever wanted to live in Wales, the jobs I'd want to do are ones where Welsh speakers would definitely have an advantage.
and can see the logic in giving it as an option in towns on the borders etc.
But the state of Languages in this country is so dire state that I think that more effort should be put into helping children learn other languages instead.
Not saying I agree with it, but there's probably a stronger argument for getting kids to learn Latin than welsh.
Turned up to the exam still got a C
may as well teach everyone klingon, in fact klingon would be more useful.
It's a fallacy that it's a dead language
Dunno how many people speak Klingon though
Maybe a few kids whose parents have only ever spoken to them in Welsh (who will pick up English pretty quick once they start interacting outside the home) and a couple of very old ladies from some stubborn village in West Wales who haven't got a TV.
Villages out West etc
Great for road trips in the summer because there's no motorway, it's very green and hilly and because a lot of them won't/can't speak english it's like being in a foreign country
Remember when Indiana Jones is on that rope bridge and gives the kid instructions in Cantonese or whatever so that the bad guys don't understand? How are English people suppose to do that when everyone speaks English? Welsh would be the perfect language for this.
If marckee needs more convincing, it could be used to badmouth tourists in London without them realising.
he just hates people from the rest of the uk visiting london, so if they all spoke welsh he wouldn't be able to slag them off without them understanding
It would be interesting to see the percentage of people from the rest of Britain who has a second language.