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they seem like a lovely bunch
i think we should let fascists do stuff like this - because it's so obviously stupid, it just makes them look stupid, and then they'll stop
NO SURRENDER TO THE IRA!"
Would be such a weird time to surrender to them. Always tickles me.
making a panicked sales order for some new weapons as a response has genuinely improved my day slightly
learnt during my misspent youth on the terraces of ibrox
They are not particularly pleasant :(
here, read this bible instead
But very much in favour of capital punishment, corporal punishment and chopping off the hands of thieves. It's their deftness and subtlety that really make these organisations.
when halal is mentioned
I know most would rather not have these goons arguing the case for equality, but why is it stupid to oppose it?
grown-ups talking now
So you can do the whole LOL REACISTS thing?
but one that is framed in such a confrontational, aggressive way (battalions, never surrender etc.) and is pretty obviously coming from a position of islamophobia rather than a genuine care about women's rights is a totally different kettle o' fishes
and I don't think any campaign group would do itself any favours by having three of them turning up in bomber jackets to physically intimidate an old man, no
Even if the subtext is not what you'd like - I just wonder if you'd say the same thing if three gay rights activists confronted an old bishop about his comdemnation of gay marriage.
you've not even managed "see, your lot are just as bad!" this time, it's "see, these imaginary people on your side are just as bad!"
absolutely terrible effort
he's literally already stated no campaign group should emulate these dolts
There's plenty of users of this forum who have defended aggressive, confrontational forms of feminism in the past and condemned the traditionalist old men that oppress women. Now someone's actually done it it's not right because the people involved aren't educated middle-class Londoners.
"see, these imaginary people on your side are just as bad!"
No, it's because they're fascists and racists.
This is fun
"Taking our country back"
One would presume this is not from patriarchy
What they have done here is apparently a terrible thing, just because of their associations. Pussy Riot invaded a place of worship to confront the religious orthodoxy in an 'aggressive' manner and all they got was support. Playing the man and not the ball.
Not sure if you've seen the footage but Pussy Riot just dance around playing music, they're not physically threatening at all and are removed quite forceably/sometimes openly beaten. Not the same at all.
again and again and again...
have you even watched the video????
If not, it's more of less the same thing. Boo hoo, loud noises and opinions I don't like to hear in my earholes.
He told the guy in the mosque what he did and didn't believe in
Because Pussy Riot weren't intimidating and were in turn beaten and arrested.
Britain First should DEFINITELY start singing fun songs instead of playing soldier in front of old men.
Sexism exists in all Abrahamic religions, we can challenge it and should through peaceful debate and communication but dressing like that and marching in throwing their weight around (that old man in that picture looks really intimidated) is about as far away from progressive as it gets
I heard they did the same thing with the CofE last week and women Bishops were approved the very next day.
Eg huge acceleration in progress from the Enlightenment onwards by reasoning with religious zealots
Whereas history is also littered with countless tragic wars along racial/faith lines that have solved nothing, for nothing.
How many women still live in oppression today?
Gotta keep the conversation going internationally, across religious and socioeconomic structures
Not send in a load of sad skinhead wankers to intimidate a man about a sign in his church lol
and britains first is going to help how exactly?
Is in no way A Bad Thing. Were it not for their associations folk would probably be congratulating these people for this.
It's a good thing to challenge patriarchy, it's not a good thing to intimidate minorities under the pretence of doing so.
of the confrontation
2) you're going to have a really hard time convincing people that it's not ok to make judgements of a group b/c of their "associations", i.e. people won't want an EDL march in their neighbourhood even if it's peaceful. You're sneaking in the assumption that this is not ok, but... it is.
2) Fascists vs. Fascists. If it's OK to tar one group with this label there's more than enough evidence to tar the other. Colour me entirely uninterested in the result.
Honestly, mate... At least you're not named after a *good* Radiohead song. There's that I suppose.
without first seeing what they did?
I'll show myself out
So you are purely trolling. *golf applause*
He likes to hide behind the idea that he is
philosophical questions for the 21st century
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Unless my enemy's enemy is a right cunt. In which case fuck that guy."
...it comes from an organisation where their seeming hatred of Islam doubtless supercedes their concerns around gender equality in the UK.
I'm up for challenging Muslims on gender segregation, to a point. I don't trust these lads to do it for me. Simple.
Love their oh-so-intimidating uniforms. And all the faux army lingo- calling themselves battalions etc, very cute. I mean obviously disgusting ignorant dickheads but can't imagine anyone taking them seriously when they look like they're off to a fancy dress party.
Kinda funny they've also done the babes of the BNP thing too, after a fashion
Must be very confusing for them.
as a group i mean.
Anyway, i reckon the reason british fascism will never properly take off is cos the british colours, logos etc they have to use to show their overt BRITISHNESS are really, really shit. Like, everything in this picture is so cheesy and horrible looking https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10387559_300755966715590_7373479569056407313_n.jpg?oh=ff703dd81678869c82256d101809380e&oe=544E68B0&__gda__=1414927417_e7309b822b43280554253bdaf4f1076f
Get a bit of black in the british flag, ditch the tacky crown and lions and THEN we're talking.
THERE'S SO MUCH WHITE IN THE STARS AND STRI I I I I I I IPES
there ain't no black in the union jack. I thought that was the whole point of having it?
i know there's no black in the flag, that's why i'm ADVISING them to change it
thank me later, fascists
fuck. think I've just outed myself as facist.
wait, these are just german words now
ok new plan: tell everyone that cornwall's where aryans come from, use the flag but put a bit of red in for ENGLISHNESS (+ a skull) and bam there's yer flag
Mentions how extremist material always looks like a shit pizza menu
it's probably that political correctness and its having gone mad
Mrs C_B got it cancelled though after bringing it to the attention of Coventry Against Facism who phoned the hotel. BF had booked it under a different name.
I read that like you were the ones having the meeting but your wife cancelled it
Except that Mrs. C_B's boyfriend had booked it under a different name.
It's all scary. To me the separate doors seem a bit less scary than people storming in to somewhere in an intimidating way, but I don't know what's worse.
Theo has been reading every thread up-to-down and then down-to-up for years, waiting for an opportunity to post this?
But you hum it and I'll play it.
if you don't read it at all
that people can be so full of hate.
those Britain First lads though, eh?
I suppose its appeal is that no further qualification to belonging is needed than being born within an arbitrarily defined area - which we all are
it's pretty inclusive really when you think about
"what is the sound of millions of second- and third- gen immigrants laughing bitterly"
bad day, pal?
but then I realised you're like this every day
no-one's attacking you. walk in the sunshine maybe?
if you're not white you'll struggle to join the bnp no matter how close to their hq you happen to have been born
It can be a bit more subtle than that.
In my home area at least, if you were someone who was non-white who showed an interest in a fascist group you'd have been welcomed and put into a fairly prominent position to emphasise that they "weren't racist". Think a former leader of the EDL may have been a sikh.
a token minority in the EDL isn't there on merit. They could have just happened to be Sikh and a great EDL soldier as well.
that if you're born with x area, you'll be in with the nationalists. whereas I felt that second and third gen immigrants, for ex., generally would not be.
appaz this was a misreading so tragic that he choked on his fika or whatever
you're (both) WORSE than the racists
WHAT IS GOING ON
he is a pretty sexy dude. highly strung though.
you're all confusing my idle meditation on the abstract concept of Nationalism and the absurdity therein with an observation and / or direct commentary on these Britain First goons
thread. I've checked out their website and see that they're selling some lovely hoodies and are even taking international orders. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Erm...yep...that's their worst policy yet.
no, get it tae fuck
But independence would at least present an oppurtunity for more radical policy. I doubt it'll happen of course, Scotland will likely end up with a more robust social system only to the extent the global capitalist network will allow. Rather than just making immigration/border politics redundant (which it does), it sort of makes all further politics pointless - but OH WELL.
Like, you have to wonder whether he's being deliberately misleading and hoping to convert really stupid people, or whether he's actually as stupid as that article makes out.
It's right that the international neoliberal system won't really permit the size of changes the two parties want - an independent Scotland will be subject to the market and that'll probably stop them making as robust a social structure as the SNP would hope, and UKIPs isolationist anti-immigration policies will never fly in today's capitalism. This probably applies to most politics now?
As hard as it might try, international neoliberalism has been held at bay and a robust social structure has been maintained amongst countries like Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands etc etc.
There's no real reason why Scotland shouldn't be able to do the same.
And fwiw I think it's certainly worth the gamble. The biggest threat to that progress is that Scotland has been part of the outlier UK, neoliberalism is already there as such and with independence (pressure to look like they're succeeding economically, the media going mad about having to stabalize straight away etc) I think it could swing either way.
of the past few years as it has separate systems (eg NHS, education, legal etc etc).
But to expand... There are limits to that autonomy. And threats to its future viability/effectiveness.
e.g. NHS Scotland is (and always had been, since day one) a separate entity, but the funding comes via Westminster, based on the Barnett Formula, which pegs it to health spending in England. The NHS England health reforms, with private companies being responsible for a greater proportion of service delivery, threatens the funding that comes to Scotland, regardless of the Scottish tax contribution.
"No" doesn't mean Scotland gets the support of "broad shoulders" and stability, it means exposure to a worrying trajectory. cf Europe.
I don't but I did I'd cover (we don't need this) fascist groove thang by heaven 17
think I'll hide in the food threads for a bit.
No amount of "LOL Wza, hur hur" comments on DiS, no amount of shite written about supposed UKIP/SNP parallels in the New Statesman (who were just fucking itching to replace UKIP with BNP but knew even their own readers wouldn't be daft to swallow that), no amount of misguided "Braveheart!" nonsense spouted by the Mail, Daily Record et al (accompanied by a cliched photo of a blue face, apropos of nothing), and no amount of "Passports and border control" dogwhistling discussion on the BBC can mask the fact that Labour, their British Unionist affiliates, and a compliant mainstream media have some pretty fuckin' big questions to answer about why they feel the need to shit themselves about "becoming a foreigner" at seemingly every conceivable opportunity. It's insidious as fuck. Get a grip.
Just for shits and giggles and all that!
dig up your roads and empty your bins, but you won't let them say what they think. I dont agree with them, but they pay their taxes and are part of a democracy. You have to listen to what theyre saying unless you want to start spilling some blood. Which you dont, cos youre pussies
*wipes away tear*
we *should* listen to muslims more.