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Ever met anyone who had the same first name as their country?
Think I've still got his email address. I might ask him.
if not then no, and i haven't actually met her either.
scot from scotland
is from Chad
She's from Mansfield though
about destroying 1000 homes or therebouts, and wondering if they contribute anything to the rebuilding efforts, and me suggesting that they should. and i mentioned tony blair and that i thought netanyahu and hamas were dicks
symmetry of condemnation thing
of some bias or racism (even if you are just highlighting something that is genuinely horrible in its own right).
Then you have to attribute some responsibility to both sides of an ongoing and long lasting feud y type thing (even if one side has considerable tech advantage and greater control and discipline of the burly forces that are on its side)
The reason that there are so many volunteers ready to jump down peoples throats, is because there ARE some racists and bias people out there saying some things which may (on the face of it) seem a fair point.
No time like the present...
He's carrying on like a big Netan-yahoo
you'll get letters
apparently it's all very simple:
on how feminism has gone too far, how capitalism is perfect, why belief in god is more rational than atheism, that sort of thing. Great resource.
Why Be Happy?
I'm learning a lot.
Do You Pass the Israel Test?: http://youtu.be/yfN2IvnIA4M
BDS: The Attempt to Strangle Israel: http://youtu.be/bTuTL8aCx6k
let it go Lynne
the other day with palestinian flags and that. asked one of them wagwan and she said that he was supposed to be playing in israel this year but it got called off. they did the rally anyway because it took a lot of organising.
before he sort of reforms and stuff
That's all I got
"The dead man was understood to be a civilian volunteer delivering food donations to soldiers in the area."
wtf? they have the (2nd) most funded army in the world - food donations?
well worth a read
so Israel are blowing up kids playing football on the Gaza beach now
take that Hamas!
which is nice of them, party at the beach 10-3!
NB - video not graphic but distressing
oh and they've invaded, good timing.
Thought it was a bit hmmmm, interesting. What is a boy to think?
they were reporting it as a pro-Israeli demonstration outside the embassy accompanied by a smaller counter-protest...
when the BBC are apparently so... well, I don't really know what it is, but I think the phrase I'm looking for is "fucking awful at news reporting".
1. call the idf to ask how it's going
2. reply "sounds rough mates hang in there"
3. print without scrutiny
i've gone full moker and it's fine
STOP SELLING WARSHIPS TO RUSSIA, PM TELLS FRANCE.
Fuck off, Dave.
Fuck off, newspapers.
or discussion or whatever, there's now a bit of atmosphere
but it's just a great clusterfuck of a situation that makes me so sad :/
but instead of police with alsatians and 3ft truncheons caving in heads it's an internationally funded state-of-the-art drone & missile attack
also, thought this was interesting
which I suppose is similar to apartheid South Africa re Gold & Diamonds
Glenn Greenwald posted this yesterday in response to Netanyahu claiming on CNN that Gazans were using 'telegenic dead' (that is, photogenic on the medium of television) to garner sympathy
whether you balk at his comparison or not there is an awful lot of well informed chat in the comments
my #muslimfriends and #jewishfriends posting super one sided, combative stuff on facebook, and my #whiteliberalfriends siding with palestine as the underdog whilst point out that they're #notnazis and it all gets very tiring cos one side will say something's a #simplefact and then the others will say the opposite is a #simplefact
then there's this piece:
7 Things to Consider Before Choosing Sides in the Middle East Conflict
which i've seen praised for being even handed and basically its underlying message is "fuck em, they're both as bad as eachother", and my point is it sucks that ends up being a way out of thinking about the situation, and the whole thing is just horrible and, famously, difficult and unresolveable and what the heck's a boy to do
How can anyone without any religious or cultural ties to either side, see it as black and white?
As an impartial observer, you (not *you*) should surely be able to see that there's (equal?) fuck-ups on both side?
is a basic lack of understanding of what "hamas" actually is. does it represent the will of the palestinian people? i've no idea how, they seem pretty consistently terrible, if goaded by bizarrely, cruelly horrible israeli policies
I think the black and white thing is a projection you are making.
Hamas didn't even form until '87 - that's a full 70 years of increasing conflict between the Balfour Declaration and Hamas' existence
Israel is a fully western-backed expansionist colonial state that has routinely blamed its opposition (whether Fatah, Muslim Brotherhood, PLO, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc.) for acts of war claiming it has 'the right to defend itself.' Hamas is just the latest resistance movement on a long list
But who are you gonna believe in a long and deep and contentious continual war with much misinformation on both sides?
Would you believe the UN human rights council?
The UNHCR has issued more resolutions condemning Israel than any other country - in fact almost as many resolutions condemning Israel for human rights violations than they have issued concerning the entire rest of the world combined
but what do I know?
If you want a modern comparison to the current situation re Israel - Palestine then it really is apartheid South Africa
unfortunately (or fortunately for South Africans) the deeply entrenched religious divide present in the Middle East makes it hard to see a reconciliation process anywhere in the near future
the enabling factor is overwhelmingly white Christian westerners providing resources that enable Israel to wage war with impunity as a buffer against a Pan-Arabic state --- and it has been that way since at least WWI
Having said all this, the IDF's current operation in Gaza is nothing short of a massacre and is pretty much a repeat of the 2008-9 massacre in which 22 days of 'fighting' saw 1,434 dead Gazans - of which only 235 were 'comabatants', 239 were 'Police officers' and 960 were civilians inc 121 women and 288 children
The consequences for Israel after that incursion were little to none & I would wager that the same will be said after this one is said and done
It's not like the arabs need the space or anything - Israel is completely surrounded by arab states.
I don't say this as a supporter of either side, but I don't get why Israel can't just be allowed to 'exist'.
with the support of most of the world's most powerful governments. but you know this
as I understand it, Israel would be wiped out pretty quickly.
I just don't get why they can't be allowed to have a little bit of land.
Why to the arab nations want this bit of land so badly?
Can he have a room in your dad's house?
It's only a little room.
can move to a much bigger house just down the road much better suited to our needs, then yeah, sure, the homeless man is welcome to the room.
That's very generous.
feels grotesque to even suggest it, but it's such a constant accusation, and that piece i've linked above claims it as a simple fact quite convincingly?
So there's no need for hamas to maximise anything. If you start raining down bombs where people are people are going to die.
I think the limited resources, movement, and facilities in Gaza certainly maximise casualties ...whether you want to blame Hamas for that as they are nominally in charge of the area I dunno
but I think IDF shells, missiles & artillery fire are the main causes of Gazan casualties tbh tbf
"It isn't just speculation anymore that Hamas puts its civilians in the line of fire.
Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri plainly admitted on Gazan national TV that the human shield strategy has proven "very effective."
The UN relief organization UNRWA issued a furious condemnation of Hamas after discovering hidden rockets in not one, but two children's schools in Gaza last week.
Hamas fires thousands of rockets into Israel, rarely killing any civilians or causing any serious damage. It launches them from densely populated areas, including hospitals and schools.
Why launch rockets without causing any real damage to the other side, inviting great damage to your own people, then putting your own civilians in the line of fire when the response comes? Even when the IDF warns civilians to evacuate their homes before a strike, why does Hamas tell them to stay put?
Because Hamas knows its cause is helped when Gazans die. If there is one thing that helps Hamas most -- one thing that gives it any legitimacy -- it is dead civilians. Rockets in schools. Hamas exploits the deaths of its children to gain the world's sympathy. It uses them as a weapon."
i dont want to be "hmmm interesting" - i guess hamas' orders to stay at home cant just simply be seen how the article presents them, but also as a refusal to just do whatever israel says.
what's the deal with them sending rockets into israel t hough? what do they think that will achieve? is it just extremists doing this and evertyone suffering the retribution?
but if you read the whole thing
"These claims have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza. Instead, dispatches from the ground have presented complex reasons why some residents did not evacuate from Shujai'iya and other areas targeted by the IDF. Many said nowhere in Gaza was safe, so they saw little point in abandoning their homes.
Others cited worries about not knowing the identities of people who would be their new neighbours; they could be evacuating a familiar neighbourhood for one that was a militant stronghold and others were simply too terrified to go out on the streets. Many media reports said there was no evidence of coercion by Hamas.
In fact, tens of thousands of people have fled their homes for what they hope is a safer place. UNRWA reports that more than 140,000 people have sought shelter in its properties; churches and mosques have been overwhelmed by displaced civilians; the grounds of the Shifa hospital in Gaza City have begun to resemble a makeshift refugee camp. These families are in fear of their lives, but they overwhelmingly cite Israeli bombing and shelling as the cause, rather than threats from Hamas.
Gaza is one of the most overcrowded places on earth. Almost two million people are crammed into a strip of land just 25 miles long and between three and a half and seven miles wide – roughly the same size as the Isle of Wight. In general there are few opportunities to leave; and in the midst of a conflict such as this, there is no exit.
The current war is not being fought on a conventional battlefield. Israel is pounding Gaza from the air, and its troops are increasingly fighting battles against a guerrilla army in densely populated urban areas – which constitute much of the Gaza Strip. As Israeli tanks and troops push further into the towns and cities, it is increasingly likely that Hamas will launch attacks from positions close to civilian buildings."
"Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.
It was the first conviction of what is known within the IDF as the "neighbour procedure" – forcing civilians to assist troops in military operations. Investigations by news organisations and human rights groups have suggested the IDF has used Palestinians as human shields in operations in both Gaza and the West Bank.
but the point remains - Israel has been expanding, cleansing, attacking, partitioning and so on for many, many years - Hamas grew out of a resistance to that - no the other way around
in terms of media narrative. The post-Apartheid transformation of the ANC and Mandela from Soviet-funded Communist Trojan terrorists to oppressed freedom fighters gives some hope for the Palestine cause (albeit not much).
Moral Maze about it last week http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04b1v8q
Worth listening to, especially for the military perspective. Probably best to ignore most of what Melanie Phillips says mind, as always, but her points about Hamas's terrorists motivations should probably be on the table to be fair...
So on the nose it's unbelievable. The Mash is getting a lot better these days innit
The smuggest/laziest/safest thing at times like this. Hundreds of innocents dead and our utmost concern is the intellectual/cultural voracity of those choosing to condemn it.
I read that as saying that on either side of the general-public debate there's a vast simplifying of the situation. Apologies if that's offended anyone.
Amusing that it's a crap Onion rip-off that's just as bad as the Onion has become.
about Israel's PR strategy: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html
Very interesting. And kind of depressing how well this stuff works generally.
to hear that innocent people have died but then have some PR speak successfully move that fact in to the 'everything's ok!' part of their brain*
*i am no doctor
Have a look at the Met press conference that immediately followed the De Menezes shooting
They all have a playbook
Here's the full report, if anyone's interested. : http://www.stopdebezetting.com/documents/pdf/090713Hasbara%20handboek_tip_report.pdf
of Miko Peled:
illuminated some things for me. The book sounds really interesting.
Saying if they found out it was an "errant" IDF shell that hit the school then they'd apologise, but then pointing out that Palestinian militants have hidden weapons in schools and may have been firing from the school. Suggesting it was a tragic accident while also justifying the idea of doing it on purpose is an interesting contortion.
UN guy - in tears
Compare & contrast with the Regevs of the world
Which err shows something
And hiding weapons caches in civilian homes and hopsitals etc?
If this is the case, and beyond the obvious solution of ceasefire, what can/should Israel do in this situation?
I keep reading this is what Hamas are doing, but i've no idea if it's actually been proved. The level of PR misinformation during this conflict has been quite staggering - as a western outsider lay observer it seems near impossible to tell what's true and what isn't.
Makes for a compelling argument that Hamas/all Palestinians are the 'bad guys' though, doesn't it? Can't think of anything much more emotive than using children as 'human shields'. Other than just bombing the shit out of schools and hospitals being used to shelter I suppose...