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thought there'd be loads of threads about this?
...and now one on the social board.
...about someone trampling over his turf.
hope Nic Harrison chucked his ass outta there!
better than dizzy rascal or wiley?
from the ghetto blud
and various other yoof sayings.
...'bad' and 'sick' but confusingly they actually mean 'good'. It's like a different language I tell you.
Also, you can't tell the girls from the boys anymore...
if it wasn't entirely representative of the UK mainstream press' attitude to black and urban music. I don't know why people are so surprised.
grime, rap, UK funky, anything edgy of urban origin has been entirely marginalised by the press: it's seen as dangerous or subversive.
Stop listening to shite indie bands and chart bothering house/rap which has had all the edges smoothed off it.
seek validation from the mainstream press/meeja?
(jordan totally does me)
But it's pretty clear that this is just the ultimate consequence of the race to the middle of the road. Ed Sheeran is black music for people who feel threatened by black culture. Just as Disclosure are house music for people who are threatened by club culture.
something like this is completely out of his control but the amount of flak he's going to take for it..
He'll get flak for being an awful whingey piss-bag of a singer-songwriter. The rest is incidental.
assumed he was a jake bugg. what's he actually like then
he's a pure jake
with his "I've fell into a coma in the early 60s, briefly woke up in 1994, and then come back to life writing tunes based on theories" schtick;
Ed was the previous Final Bastion of Authentic Real Music (TM) because he had an acoustic guitar
A great read.
"Beyoncé controls all women," he explained. "Beyoncé owns women around the world. Beyoncé just has this thing, women want to be here. They want to think like her. They want to do the things that she does."
"When that album dropped, you realized how many of your mates are Beyoncé fans because I had a house party the day that it dropped—and I didn't know it was dropping, obviously all the women did—and all of the women locked themselves in a room with big speakers and listened to the album all the way through," he added.
"There were about 16 of them. And the guys were just there drinking beer playing pool we just didn't know what was going on so we went in and they were just there [singing] 'Drunk in Love'!"
...is that someone had a party and something got dropped. I hate that - it's so much easier to clean carpets at the time rather than the morning after.
"Ed Sheeran controls all men," she explained. "Ed owns men around the world. Ed just has this thing, men want to be him. They want to think like him. They want to do the things that he does."
"When that album dropped, you realized how many of your mates are Sheeran fans because I had a house party the day that it dropped—and I didn't know it was dropping, obviously all the men did—and all of the men locked themselves in a room with big speakers and listened to the album all the way through," he added.
"There were about 16 of them. And the girls were just there drinking beer playing pool we just didn't know what was going on so we went in and they were just there [singing] 'A Team'!"
was ed sheeran probably because it's got no rap in it and he's a rapper so i'm not used to hearing a straight up sung track by ed sheeran
I thought he'd done a couple of poorly-judged 'rap along to beat created by punching your acoustic guitar' tracks in the early days. Then went full whinge. Now seems to be a ginger Olly Murs or something.
he's extremely difficult to categorise, his latest song is called 'sing' but also contains a rap verse
But it's old and it's not British so, um, yeah.
"Cash rules everything around me. CREAM. Get the money. Five Pound notes y'all."
But Wu Tang are infinitley more relevant than Ed Sheeran tbf tbh
(no hate on the wu because, you know, greatest band of all time)
Ed Sheeran was in the 21 seconds to go video?
One step closer to those MOWO awards I've always wanted
at the headline about most important person in black and urban music
and the pictures of him and some guy who looks like julian clary
also he did that grime ep
and he did that nando's thing and he was proper sucking up to jme and asking him about skepta and it was awkward
goes around sleeping on peoples settees and singing acoustic songs about how we should all be happy and isn't it bad people are using drugs he's no different to newton faulkner or any other person like that it's just the music is different and his associations make him 'credible'
I bet people in Cornwall love him.
But a lot of the big names in the grime scene seem to venerate the guy. JME defended the choice and said that Sheeran was a "badman". Dizzee's bigged him up before. I don't get why they appreciate him; maybe they see him as a vehicle to get more mainstream success themselves?
all the grime artists were big already when they did that ep with him, it was almost as if they were doing him a favour.
He's not really part of the grime scene anymore...just an "urban pop" act.
Preditah was also cheerleading for Sheeran earlier too.
Can't think of any other reason for Jay-Z to shack up with Linkin Park, or for Snoop Dogg to hang out with Justin Beiber
like he's into her but she's not into him
and he's like hey listen to this song i just wrote that doesn't mention you by name but is clearly about you
and she's like aw you're so good at writing songs and then she leaves and he has a big wank
the whole "categorising music by the race of the people who invented it" thing quite heinous.
It lends itself to outrage when lists lie this come up and a white person is high up. The way people talk about things like this is very close to being racist, in that a white person can't make this kind of music because he's inauthentic or whatever bullshit.
If the same attitude was applied to "white music", say indie rock or whatever, and people were attacking Bloc Party or TV On The Radio for supposed inauthenticity, it would (quite rightly) be an opinion immediately shot down and considered racist.
(Not that I'm defending Ed Sheeran, his music is several levels of arse, but still)
Didn't think we'd get one this time
to white history month
I'm sure the Rolling Stones are turning in their grave at the thought of that fella from Bloc Party playing 'their' rock'n'roll.
And I remember him charting high on similar lists after Marshall Mathers was released specifically. But was the outrage as strong?
Is it less about Sheeran's being white and more about his privilege? I mean the answer might be 'no shit, xylopwn', but it definitely feels worth asking.
B) probs easier to swallow given that Eminem isn't even a fraction as pish as ES
Fwiw, the one redeeming quality that Sheeran has - and I think his music is fucking abhorrent - is that he is a grafter. I remember seeing him playing music showcases for tiny labels something like 5/6 years ago with that loop pedal setup. I suppose the immediate argument to that is that it's because he has the financial luxury of being able to be a grafter without needing to pay his rent.
and Ed Sheeran is to rap what Frank Turner has become to punk.
That was too expected to work. I'm surprised his name hadn't come up sooner.
Eminem grew up in Detroit, where the African-American contigent is the majority. a great deal of that African-American culture was his culture, too, in that sense. his position in wider culture with regards to hip-hop is different to Elvis with regards the blues. he wasn't appropriating anything, even though he got attention a lot of non-white artists might not have received.
which is in sharp contrast to Ed 'straight outta Framlingham' Sheeran, who really is a lot like Elvis, the palatable face of edgy race music*, gurning over his silly little guitar, shaking about and trying to be R&B and that, from his comfortable cultural remove.
idk, no idea how street Sheeran is, really.
*y'know, what racist white America used to call African-American music
Few cheeky toe-tappers on that record.
from an urban area?!1
ed, disclosure, sam smith, katy b, rita ora, dj fresh, jessie j
you'd have to say it was coming.
after he wrote that piece on Robert Johnson
Pharrel is black so by association this now makes Ed a black artist or something... I dunno, I'm clutching at straws here I don't know how the music industry works I work for the NHS fro fuck's sake.
there is the more pressing fact that how the fuck is he even relevant to contempory "Black music", let alone fucking "important"?
a few people have commented on it actually. as if being ginger makes you even less black than other white people. pretty dodgy to racially classify people by genetic/biological features.
"That he is a white middle class ginger crap acoustic pop merchant aside" steinbolt was just being insulting and not relating it to the award at all. either way, weird comment.
so disappointing, but not surprising.
bit of a hypocrite
I'm still cool. The others though - awful people.
i pressed enter too soon and I can't remember what I was going to say, but it was about politics not hair colour in any case
bit too sophisticated for me
there are other people in the world outside of dis who i sometimes read the inane ramblings of.
this is good
but many strong points
writes opinion piece on popular radio station.
I'll avoid that.
keep it real
All I ever do.
"Suckered in the morning, wise by teatime but still at sundown an old graze stings again, a dormant papercut refreshed."
"How can I be a wanky writer? I was quoting lyrics."
there's a virgin Stuart Binny thread just sitting there
okay, a few things.
I find a lot of what I read on tQ really grating, and I don't by any means hold it up as a definitive voice on things. but then it's not one single voice anyway.
Neil Kulkarni is a distinctive writer with opinions all of his own, and if you had actually bothered to engage with his piece, or any of his writing, rather than smugly disparaging it from your oh so lofty and comfortable position apart, you might have discovered that he in fact cares a great deal about pop. I'm thinking you think this is a cynical swipe at an area of music this guy has no real connection to, which is far from the truth.
and you, anyway, I remember seeing you completely fail to engage with that Wire list of 100 Records That Should Have Set The World on Fire (But Didn't) in a similarly smarmy way, getting the idea completely back-to-front.
not saying I have some portfolio of evidence on your generally sniffy attitude, but you do come across this way, heavily, in a great deal of your posts.
I'm probably not doing a good job of trying to get you to read this, which is my intention. I mean, is there a way to get you to set aside that obdurate DiSer mentally for a second?
re: the Wire list of 100 records...
I don't think I've got an especially sniffy attitude tbh. I dislike The Quietus reasonably strongly though because on the times I've read it, it's made my skin crawl. But each to their own. I don't give a shit about pop music or The Quietus's thoughts on pop music, for what it's worth.
Because, based on my solitary post in it, I think you've got me mixed up with someone else. And either way, it's from 6 years ago :D
well. all of this aside, that article nails the decay at the heart of pop music. don't think of it as an outsider publication further pissing on a sphere of music they long since abandoned. it's a lucid attack at the forces narrowing the scope and sanding off the rough bits of pop, taking away the unpredictability that we all used to love in order to make it more stable as a revenue stream.
if you like pop music, then you should just read it.
Just to clarify for what it's worth - I made a snarky broadside because if there's one sphere of music journalism I don't like it's when avant-garde publications write about pop music, from any angle. Why do assume I'd dislike it from the point of view about The Quietus pissing on pop music?
I couldn't give a toss about pop music; and I could give even LESS of a toss what this writer thinks about it. Literally neither of these things are of any importance to me. I just made a wee gag about it.
Still, it's of doubtless immense reassurance to pop music that folk like you and this journalist care this much about it. Possibly...
I abhor cynicism more than any of the above. Just for some perspective, like.
I read into your post on the assumed basis that you were a poptimist. not sure why you get riled about leftfield publications commenting on mainstream music, otherwise. there is valid critical commentary there, regardless of where it's coming from.
and even if you don't care about pop, these are trends that go beyond just music.
I reckon this could have been avoided if this were actually on Music. there's less confusing snark over there.
Now I have to beg to differ on that one...
The way I see it is that pop music is the same as it ever was. Always in flux and always competing against the same artistic and commercial pressures it always has. Critically analysing it, for me, is ultimately a load of hot air and futility. But as I said up there, each to their own.
it's like we've all forgotten how Joss Stone won "Best Urban Act" at the Brits about ten years ago
(URBAN? SHE'S FROM CORNWALL)