their methodology seems like it would lead to less biased results than the original study which reached a different conclusion.
They're not even really comparable.And you haven't even read their methodologies ! One is a psychology study using survey data in the UK, the other is sociological and by an American researcher from like 20 years ago.
There's also a potentially major shortcoming or bias in this kind of 'quantitative' self-completion research on domestic violence: non-response. In other dv studies I've read about, there's been around a 40% non-response rate. What starts off as a 'representative' sample is then totally skewed. Probing into why that there's such a high level of non-response then shows that (unsurprisingly) a lot of people are too scared to respond. I read a study recently which had involved interviewing the partners of men who were receiving counselling for their violent behaviour. One of the participants had to drop out cause her partner broke her arm as a punishment for taking part in the study.
So really without actually reading either of them it's pretty stupid to claim one has a "less biased" methodology.
the problem with a lot of psychology studies like this one (i.e. relying heavily if not exclusively on quantitive methods) is that the researcher's meanings tend to dominate the data gathering and analysis. So a term like 'controlling' has no consistent meaning and the data you've generated about the level of 'control' isn't very textured on contextualised etc. that's not even going into how ways of conceptualising behaviour are already gendered.
but the general point I was trying to make was using a sample group which isn't drawn from 'general members' of the public seems like it would be a fairly large factor in the results that were drawn.
but you could probably argue either way about whether it would create more 'generalisable' findings. Drawing a sample from the population at large has its own problems - e.g. far more likely to have a big self selection bias. Also more difficult to find out why certain people haven't responded.
This is why quantitative research on its own is kinda crap most of the time. like no offence but im not really gonna take a piece of research about gendered patterns of partner violence too seriously if the researcher hasn't actually spoken to any participants on their own terms.
I think for me there are two things that stand out regarding these findings:
1. I don't think 1000 participants is enough for conclusive quantitativy data. I would like to see this being rolled out globaly, because I guarantee that the data collected in a small area in London will be far different in a village in India for example. I also think (as you said) that there definitely could be selection bias here.
2. This is still only being developed as a thesis - it's not published, so it's still a very young study. I would like to see overall the percentage of male on female violence/controlling in a relationship vs female on male. I honestly think this article is pulling on the shock factor as opposed to honestly reflecting a full study and I would take it with a pinch of salt until this has been qualified with more data and research - qualitative included.
pretty sensibly reported in terms of the scope of the conclusions that can be drawn (although I think there's a Mail version out there if anyone fancies getting the blood up)
first comment is amazing, didn't have the heart to read beyond that =D
You know it's true, because it's the Telegraph.
You are not supposed to put anything after 'Hmm, interesting'
That's just me
I'm a maverick
not surprised tbh
wonderful comments there
cricket
seems to be some slightly confused stats in the article
“In terms of high levels of control and aggression, there was no difference between men and women"
Presumably this means women are more likely to be violent but aggression and control is shown equally by both genders?
Well this is something that's easily measurable.
in fairness
their methodology seems like it would lead to less biased results than the original study which reached a different conclusion.
They're not even really comparable.And you haven't even read their methodologies ! One is a psychology study using survey data in the UK, the other is sociological and by an American researcher from like 20 years ago.
There's also a potentially major shortcoming or bias in this kind of 'quantitative' self-completion research on domestic violence: non-response. In other dv studies I've read about, there's been around a 40% non-response rate. What starts off as a 'representative' sample is then totally skewed. Probing into why that there's such a high level of non-response then shows that (unsurprisingly) a lot of people are too scared to respond. I read a study recently which had involved interviewing the partners of men who were receiving counselling for their violent behaviour. One of the participants had to drop out cause her partner broke her arm as a punishment for taking part in the study.
So really without actually reading either of them it's pretty stupid to claim one has a "less biased" methodology.
Not sure how easily definable stuff like `controlling behaviour` is.
Being `controlling` is pretty subjective.
yeah it's up to the researcher to define those sorts of terms
the problem with a lot of psychology studies like this one (i.e. relying heavily if not exclusively on quantitive methods) is that the researcher's meanings tend to dominate the data gathering and analysis. So a term like 'controlling' has no consistent meaning and the data you've generated about the level of 'control' isn't very textured on contextualised etc. that's not even going into how ways of conceptualising behaviour are already gendered.
The original study was on convicts I think?
Still, I agree with the point that the information gathered is skewed towards the group that wants to give the information. As are most surveys.
perhaps methodology wasn't the exact term I was looking for
but the general point I was trying to make was using a sample group which isn't drawn from 'general members' of the public seems like it would be a fairly large factor in the results that were drawn.
also I sdidn't
ahem
also I didn't objectively state one was less biased than the other just that the way I understood the methods used it seemed that way.
it would certainly be a 'factor'
but you could probably argue either way about whether it would create more 'generalisable' findings. Drawing a sample from the population at large has its own problems - e.g. far more likely to have a big self selection bias. Also more difficult to find out why certain people haven't responded.
This is why quantitative research on its own is kinda crap most of the time. like no offence but im not really gonna take a piece of research about gendered patterns of partner violence too seriously if the researcher hasn't actually spoken to any participants on their own terms.
Bit controlling of research methodology there
I completely agree
I think for me there are two things that stand out regarding these findings:
1. I don't think 1000 participants is enough for conclusive quantitativy data. I would like to see this being rolled out globaly, because I guarantee that the data collected in a small area in London will be far different in a village in India for example. I also think (as you said) that there definitely could be selection bias here.
2. This is still only being developed as a thesis - it's not published, so it's still a very young study. I would like to see overall the percentage of male on female violence/controlling in a relationship vs female on male. I honestly think this article is pulling on the shock factor as opposed to honestly reflecting a full study and I would take it with a pinch of salt until this has been qualified with more data and research - qualitative included.
Thinking of having a go at being gay after reading that
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It's a strong find for a Monday morning, I reckon
from my own research it is true
interesting stuff
pretty sensibly reported in terms of the scope of the conclusions that can be drawn (although I think there's a Mail version out there if anyone fancies getting the blood up)
first comment is amazing, didn't have the heart to read beyond that =D
further down there's a comment
about black women farting after sex
I dont think this was ever in question
The males who are more aggressive and controlling are well more stabby and punchy though which is probably more of an issue