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Does apathy ultimately lead to right-wing fury? Let's hope so.
the rest of society has moved sharply to the right
Got more left wing into adulthood, but getting more nihilistic as time goes on
Mostly out of annoyance at the people on either side.
but im more left wing than i was like 4 years ago
think I will always be in favour of left wing policies, but don't believe actual socialism would ever work which I probably did when I was younger
Then Lib Dem
I think I've largely stayed the same. Just both of them have become completely unpalatable, and the greens are now the only one I feel comfortable voting for.
think I'm going to follow that trajectory, haven't forgiven labour for all their warmongering, don't hate the lib dem's like most but on balance they haven't got enough out of the coalition and should have walked after the house of lords thing, so green it is
but probably less left-wing. Depends on the issue really
If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.
Looks like I might have no brain.
and not many are drifting right - whereas obvs the reverse is widely held to be the norm.
Wonder if this is the product of our current political / social sitch or something.
hmm interesting etc.
Recent opinion polls are showing that more people aged 16-21 are more sympathetic to Tory policies than in decades gone by. Doesn't surprise me that, to be honest.
pretty sure it can be directly linked to the sales of ipads
At school and starting uni I was, for reasons I don't now understand, very much of an 'every makes their own success and should look out for themselves' view. Like a little Ayn Rand.
Rand's stuff repulses me now but 5 years ago I thought her ideas were really profound and brave in ways no socialist could even come close to. God, I was such a dick in college
personally more right
more left wing since then i guess
All babies are intensely right-wing.
and drifted centre right, and now have drifted left a bit more, which probably makes me some sort of woolly fence sitter.
Most political debate that I like appears to straddle the centre ground. I don't know if it's a question of `drifting more to the left or right` with age - but a question of becoming less keen on extremes.
Didn't realise to remain left-wing I had to completely relinquish my sense of humour, support clearly unworkable idealistic policy and despise anyone who didn't share my views. So here I am Mr. Farage, take me.
but you're keen on UKIP/Farage??
They are libertarian idealism through and through, when you look past the EU stuff.
Idealism isn't the sole preserve of the left, y'know.
Some of them like to portray themselves as libertarians in order to attract young Tories. They're really not; at heart they're social conservatives and Little Englanders.
it is shite isn't it?
still very left wing, just with a bit more knowledge surrounding it.
and now drifting fairly left again. I don't think I'd be such a staunch advocate of socialism again but there are many other left win positions I agree with.
apart from right wingers. I hate those guys.
In which case poor you.
I thought you supported the labour party?
#politics #satire #goodjokes
that i can tell
but then maybe my laissez-faire approach to those increasingly left wing thoughts makes me more of a Tory than ever, idk. I do more things that would mark me out as a smug liberal than I've ever done before. Does that count for anything?
still lefty pussy-ass liberal. Maybe a little less anti-corporate as I'm a willing participant in consumer culture, but still don't eat in maccyD's though.
but I do sway violently from left to right on loads of issues. I just do what I thinks right, not whats laid out to me in a left/right wing manifesto. This does cause some interesting internal debates where clashes and contradictions happen, admittedly.
see UKIP as the only realistic option at this point.
So towards centre-right, for sure.
well that's lighten my day right up
but judging by the arguments I get into with people I think i'm probably just a fucking contrarian a lot of the time.
But as a rule, I assume the best in my fellow man.
How you doin?
Kept to lifestyle changes and down the gym every day, 2 months on. Haven't been this fit since school.
Have an appointment with sleep consultant at end of summer for me to try persuading them to give me surgery.
How's things witchoo?
Keep up the good work
I was always brought up with family who are Labour supporters through and through and through, but Labour are heading way towards the right for me these days. Support your fucking unions you fucking on the fence fucking bell ends. And/ Plus circumstance waise, I always thought I was just a normal kid from a town in South Wales then moved to London for university and realised how much richer 'normal' people are.
I'm also far more tipsy these days after a few pints down the locals.
and it's quite liberating to know that sometimes I can feel myself floating rightwards, and its ok for that to happen if it's thought-through, even though generally most of my views sit on the left.
I'm definitely a snob in some aspects, but my parents don't earn much and I understand the implications of not having much money. I also have a prejudice about the silver spooners at my university, so left wing.
At my uni there's very much an 'us and them' divide between the public-schoolboys/girls and everyone else. It amazes me how close a lot of them are to their stereotype, though I have met some powerful exceptions so I feel bad saying this. Guess it's not completely relevant. Was also gonna say I think the distribution of wealth in the UK and the rest of the world is appalling, but that goes without saying.
Guess what I'm trying to say is I'm an old-fashioned guy from a tory origin but I'm strongly egalitarian and against nepotism and plutocracy. My grandparents are tories and I've been influenced by a lot of what they've said, but I'm unlearning it at university.
and a more compassionate person as an adult
if you don't get more left wing you're probably unstable or have something wrong with your personality
Same as my parents and their parents. My party are my team. And you don't change your team.
I'd associate left with empathy and right with selfishness, which there's some basis for thinking;
And empathy is something that we have some degree of inherent sense of, but is largely learned as you age;
So I assume most people, baring external factors pushing you towards being right wing (being raised that way, identifying your tribe [say, being wealthy, seriously; http://www.andrewoswald.com/docs/SentVotingLottery12014PowdthaveeOs.pdf ] as an opponent of the "leftist" tribe, stunted empathy development for whatever reason), get more left wing as they age.
There's also the continous learning aspect. The longer you're alive the more chance you have to learn, and the overwhelming majority of conservative politcs are misguided or wrong in terms of stated intended results.
Worth mentioning I just googled for sources that backed my idea and skim read them, so, whatever.
It's just another ideology as to how society should be run. It's not provably wrong or right, neither is being left-wing. The real deficiency is you not understanding or caring to understand the motivations of your fellow human beings, and that goes for anyone either staunchly right or left wing.
And the majority of your posts in political threads.
My problem is that a lot of people on here go out of their way to be seen to be doing things in the most empathetic way possible, yet can't comprehend putting themselves in the shoes of someone whose life circumstances might drive them to have more right-wing views (and it's hardly just the priveleged and powerful that hold them). I think it's called posturing.
You're asking these hypothetical DiSers to "put themselves in the shoes" of right wing voters, but what would you like to see as a consequence of that? For them to give up their left-wing positions? For them to compromise? If you're asking this of them but not of the right... I don't get it, really.
by attempting to understand the motivations of people not seeing life through the prism of a successful Londoner. Especially with how vocal you often are about matters of privelege.
admit the concerns of both sides are valid and come to solutions that either of them might not like a great deal. I'm afraid that's what democracy is. The reason I advocate for parties like UKIP on here is that it's by and large an echo chamber for left-wing ideals and people forget that to the extent that they'll tar almost a third of the electorate with personal slurs that just aren't true in 9 out of 10 cases, like they're an intellectual class apart when in reality they've made no effort to trace the perfectly logical steps that might give people traits associated with a modern right-winger such as anti-Europe, anti-immigration, or whatever.
that you perceive as leftist, while making no effort at any point to criticise the ideas of the right, or outline where they might make compromises?
I thought, around the time of the Euro elections, I was quite happy to identify UKIP policy that I didn't agree with (gay marriage, climate change denial). I got the NO IT'S ALL WRONG chucked in my face a lot more than I was dishing it out.
Whether I'm a third-rate CG or not, it's pretty astonishing how unwilling people were to accept a bit of balance. It wasn't my job to identify hypocrisy in the right as that's dealt with many times on a daily basis here.
Like I'm sure people are happy that you're pro marriage equality or whatever, but compromise would mean finding middle ground in the areas where there is meaningful difference, i.e. immigration. And I'm not convinced I've seen you offer any compromise from or critique of UKIP's ideas here?
by denying that the country needs economic growth at all.
Which, if you're looking for reasons why people don't respect UKIP's ideas, welp
^this gets said a lot.
I don't really buy it. The place is riddled with conservatives.
- Tribalism/identity politics
- Moral smokescreen issues (abortion, equal marriage)
of left wingers.
Seems a bit right wing :s
You're incapable of love
Anyway, the studies I linked are scientific attempts to understanding the motivations of our fellow man. The motivation of right wingers is more often self interest.
You could try to find a study saying otherwise and pick flaws with that instead of trying to be a politician (" these assertions that being right-wing signifies some kind of deficiency", lol)
And it is absolutely provable some ways of running a society are better than others in practice. There's a shit ton of other factors to consider but to say there is no knowable effect from political causes is dumb.
I really do believe being right wing signifies some kind of deficiency, and that it can be proven wrong. many right wing ideas e.g meritocracy, the trickle down effect etc are just self serving justification that are completely inaccurate
I use the NHS but I can't use public transport any more. Trains are always late, most state schools are shit, and I've gotta give you, like, four million quid – are you having a laugh? When I got my tax bill in from 19, I was ready to go and buy a gun and randomly open fire.
but still very much left of centre (or at least the ground the 3 main parties are sat on)
more often than not.
blue in the sheets?
(really thought I'd be able to come up with a better version of this)
but I'm at work.
being as it is a compound of two very feeble gags