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do you think i'm trying to impress chris_is_cool or something?
But I'd be on board with the option of 18-21 year olds signing up to a State run system of creative community based work here or abroad as an alternative to university. Obviously, that's not conscription. But I think the State needs to extend more options to young folk besides education and labor.
be glad we voted for an independent scotland
pencils up nose
If the former, then I guess we’re involved in some kind of total war so best just get involved. Hope it’s one of the following we’re fighting; Ireland, France, New Zealand, Canada – would love to kill some of those fucks.
National service? I’m probably too old for it. As such, I think it’s a bloody good idea.
Why are you for National Service?
...means that I increasingly despise the carefreeness of those younger than me and wish to see their hopes and dreams crushed under the tracks of tanks. No biggie really.
Pentago for PM.
That line would probably get you elected, actually.
if it doesn't then i'd move.
only complete fucking arseholes fight
How does that sound?
like it would be like being the guy that sells tickets to a boxing match, or sets the ring up or rings the bell. i don't want any part in it
whatever it's called
still happens. It's dead interesting (of I think so, anyhow). Like in Finland if you don't even want to take a job in the civilian service you get 6 month in prison but you don't get a criminal record afterwards.
*applies for Finnish passport, starts researching time machine*
What if it was an invasion by space nazis?
bearing in mind the likelihood of there ever being another war where people are conscripted is incredibly slim, I just think it might be a good idea. Like, just one year when you leave school.
Is this an incredibly right-wing viewpoint? Feel free to hound me out of town if so.
I think school does enough in and of itself to try and discipline and institutionalize young people in preparation for work tbf tbh
Because my school definitely didn't. Not for lack of trying maybe, but then again what they were *trying* to do was get kids to pass exams (A-C) so the school looked good, rather than actually educating them on anything that lied ahead/how not to fuck their lives up.
Seriously though, I think the idea of schools institutionalizing people at all is wrong. Education is homogenized in order to get exam pass rates up, this causes disinterest and ignorance. This in turn with discipline designed to prepare people for a world of trudging work causes disinterest and ignorance too and worse yet actually reinforces the fucked up system.
Sticking them in the army after that would make it even worse imo. The option of paid civic service I can sort of see the appeal of because of the modicum of choice and communitarian ethics behind it.
like you have to clean up the streets, for a bit, or maybe help out at a charity, or something along those lines. not sure military service is the best idea, considering wars are so last century. maybe we'd be taught how to pilot robots via xbox controllers.
But the engineering side of the military is definitely something worth pursuing, as said below. Basically something post-school age that actually forces people to learn a trade. And maybe shits them up a bit and teaches them not to be a dickhead too.
You know, the ones who have had the opportunity to bleed the country dry and stockpile anything of worth so the younger generations have to pander and beg to them like a shitty fucking dog?
could easily be transformed into an apprentiship scheme learning to fix/make/fly/drive or gap year abroad.
so rather than giving $$$ aid to countries we send young Jaiden etc to learn/help out.
everyone on here falls over themselves trying to out-lefty each other :)
Dunno if you were joking but the idea that teenagers need shitting up a bit to stop being dickheads is pretty Victorian and actually doesn't work. Equal societies are the only things that drive down anti social behaviour.
would probably just have to do some voluntary work... which I do anyway. my austrian pal had to work in a care home for a year and ended up being a whistleblower for neglect and got the place shut down :D
for some reason i wouldn't have minded doing like a 1 year service or something like they have in South Korea (that's 2 years though)...would have been an experience
but also I'd consider going conscientious objector if, as I expect, I disagreed with the conflict.
in the unlikely event that I was called upon to fend off an unprovoked attack, then I would do what I could (which would arguably be very little)
They wouldn't want me in their army for health reasons anyway.
first world war the age range was 18-45
and in the second 18-41
...was pushed upwards as the war went on, mainly to backfill postions. If you were at the upper end of the scale the I believe that non-married men were conscripted first. Good work virgins.
Great bunch of lads
I trust you take full use of your health and are registered as a blood and bone marrow donor, like I was before I was diagnosed and subsequently kicked off?
and muster two ships into the Clyde
wouldn't it be for late teens/early twenties?
If it was conscription - health issues, I went for two runs last week and my knees are still aching. Plus other stuff that means they prob wouldn't give me access to loaded firearms.
If it was another WW2 thing with evil Nazis or whoever trying to take over the world maybe I'd sign up for some kind of office/intellegence role. Mainly to get a uniform and look dapper.
and who is asking.
Seriously though, 2 scenarios:
1) In a total-war situation, everyone would generally be expected to serve some kind of military service, though you can conscientiously object which would involve a tribunal which in all likeliness would be dismissed and you'd have to fight anyway (there's a slim chance you'd be given a non-combatant role).
2) Military service for something like 12-24 months. Objectors can be given roles in some kind of civilian service.
is the total war with me? Who started the total war? was it the country that is trying to conscript me? are they nazis? etc.....it really does depend on lot of things.
eg soe germans thought the best way to end the war would be through killing hitler, not fighting the other side..... this does not make them unpatriotic
I'll be homefront militia.
I suppose in theory I'd go, but I reserve the right to object if I disagree with it.
If we're talking national service, I think it's a whole big area that could be looked at. I don't think compulsory military service is particularly rewarding or useful, but if everyone post-school had to spend six months or a year working for a charity, or a emergency service, or doing some sort of community work... there could be a lot of positives from it? I just read a book ( http://www.iconbooks.com/blog/title/harrys-last-stand/ ) which advocated bringing in a socially focused national service, and also said that people should have to undertake it away from where they lived, so people from the south east would have to go to Barnsley or something, to foster a sense of national inclusiveness rather than division.
I have a Swedish friend who did national service and spent a year with the UN peace keepers, he's the gentlest guy you'd ever meet but he looks back very fondly on it. Someone else I know in Germany was an ambulance driver or something, and again he's really proud of it.
Completely agree with the national civilian service thing. I think I'm very against actual military service though.
he was as indie schmindie as any of us idiots, so was surprising when it came up. He said it was a bit grim down there, but he'd essentially learned to be stupendously self reliant, organised and relentless in achievement of the things he wanted.
As a lifelong ultrafanny, I was pretty envious. He seemed like a genuinely nice dude, too.
perhaps as a hangover from Vietnam. Lots of friends of friends and acquaintances over there have spent some in the military and they seem to look at it as a real act of duty and personal growth experience, where as here I think the middle class sees it just as a place to send uneducated good for nothings and keep them busy.
send the city kids out to the country and the country kids into the city.
"What would you do if the UK was suddenly constipated?"
'any kind of national service is a load of shit' camp.
Firing guns is awesome.
anyone just plays in any position?
So the entire economy, workforce etc are just working towards the war eg Nazi Germany, the 1974 Dutch football team
but only if you win
WW2 only really profited the USA
who it wasn't profitable for, is what I meant
and spend my time in the band
I'm not necessarily as anti-war/anti-military as I used to be, ideally I'd prefer to be in an engineering/IT position than in the military though.
but If I didn't then I woudn't.
I think a good way to get out of fighty stuff would be to just allow yourself to indulge your inner child/chimp when allowed near weapons.
I mean who wouldnt just want to fire a rifle as soon as you get given one?
rather than wait until you're told to?
Who wouldnt want to let rip with full automatic fire rather than do single shot sniping in training?
Who woulndt want to act and pose like a western action hero with your weapon, rather tha boringly slope it over your shoulder?
Who wouldnt want to nick a tank and crush a car?
Fire a howitzer just cos you can, even if you arnt assigned to the artillary corps etc.
That way you would be kept well out of the way of stuff and yet there would be no aspersions leveled at your bravery.
and a bit bizarre as a reply to my post.
My post was just highlighting how to encourage authorities to not want you anywhere near stuff.
I'd actually be being more honest (to my inner chimp) I mean, think about it, who wouldn't want to let loose a depth charge near the harbour and soak a load of people?
Basically being conscripted into the militry would give you the opportnity to indulge in a lot of stuff that you would want to try, and if you stuck to their rules it is not likely that they would let you try stuff. ;D
This would be a bizarre and incredibly dangerous way to get out of a bit of service though :)
and I do bizarre and dangerous things........although now Im a dad I do not do such dangerous things.......but If i were in my 20 and 30s I did/would
because of 'a mischievious incident' and I was asked to leave school after the first year of sixth form, due to 'bizarre behaviour'
sure, when we are responsible adults then we are meant to take responsibility for our choices.......but thats the point, If you are conscripted then you have not made that choice....simples :D
BUT the opportunities would be bigger......
hmmm I've just thought, I may have based a lot of my approach to life on Pat Reid's books (Colditz escape officer)
and subsequently I was called up for a medical assessment at the nearest military facility when I reached the age of 18. Unsurprisingly, I passed.
However, due to my year of birth being remarkably fruitful, the number of potential conscripts outstripped the number of available places, and so a lottery was instigated. Thankfully, a few weeks later a letter dropped on the doormat informing me that my call-up for military service had been suspended indefinitely, but noting that this decision could be reversed at any time in the future. That's why I'm always slightly nervous at passport control when going home, fearing that hand on my shoulder, asking me to step away and being led to the barracks to fight the enemy.
Most of my mates did do their military service, and based on their stories, it was a complete and utter waste of time, especially after the initial training was over, and duties consisted mostly of sweeping the yard or repainting the tanks. The food was poor, the pay negligible and the highlight of the day was drinking Heineken in the afternoon. Every day for 18 months.
So apart from the odd exercise, they were locked up, gathering dust at the base.
still they could have had fun with the paint job they did on them.
Also you could incorporate zen/kung fu fantasy play into the yard sweeping....you could sweep the yard n a pattern along the lines of kyoto zen gardening
if they brought it in here at the insistence of the tabloid "bring back national service" mob. They would moan even more as this period of a kid's life was taken up doing even less than if they were on the dole, at more of a cost also.
Dig out my grandfathers pipe, grow a moustache and give the wops a jolly good kicking....or dress up as a women and hide in the loft
I was going to join the army after school but backed out as it was when everyone was being sent to the middle east and it looked as though it would end up at WW3 anyway so thought I'd make the most of my youth before we had to join up
should be forced to do national service, or to just maybe dig a big trench or something.
i don't even need to be trained
would have legitimate juristiction over people to do such a thing (Im thinking vietnam war type conscription here....where US mainland or citizens were not threatened.....a purely ideological/theoretical/political reasoning for going to war on behalf of the US
He would have been assured of not getting assigned into a situation where bad publicity of his death might occur (a la Elvis Presley).