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Anyone used it? Good/bad?
raises a lot of interesting points that disrupt the main narrative that i've seen around the 'sharing' economy. thought provoking stuff (nice use of art too).
Bad for competition I think. By all accounts, they take over areas and then, when the other companies have died out, they slowly push up prices. REALLY sick of my feed being full of people begging other people to use their Uber code to sign up. Fuck off you tramps. YOU'RE DOING WHAT THEY WANT!!
think it done more to spread the Uber brand than ever before, particularly among luddites, had my parents both text me to ask if i had used it before and if it was any good
personally i use kabbee a lot in london, super easy to book
Far prefer to use Kabbee, always seems to do the job for better value, and you know they're legit minicab companies (for what that's worth...)
The couple of times I have used Uber (can't resist those initial freebies), it always seemed to be a fulltime minicab rather than just a random in a car.
Bit baffled as to how they get away with the unlicensed end of it.
of it not really being a taxi service at all, it's just putting people together to offer someone a lift, and they happen to gift the driver money at the end of it. Kind of like AirB&B, which I've used and appreciated. It is a bit dodgy, but you pays your money, you takes your choice.
of which Uber takes a cut, right?
This is like AirBnB, isn't it. Your neighbour starts using it and bam, congratulations, you now live next to an unlicensed hotel!
And while I won't weep for the Marriotts and Hiltons of this world, there is probably a reason fire regulations and shit exists (I liked that article you linked by the way. This capitalism lark is problematic, isn't it?)
on my twitter today, and I guess fair enough, but the general trend is not great.
Yes, I agree - capitalism: tricksy.
and pretending anyone can do them and undercutting the people who can do the jobs.
its a proper thing going on in loads of stuff but i can't remember what it is. it's that thing though isn't it
most minicabs use sat nav thesedays, many on their phones, might not get you there quite as quick as a black cab driver with 'the knowledge' but i've not got lost recently
surely in the next 50+ years we could see google driverless cars replacing taxis in city centers? tap to book on your phone and one will arrive at your location.
As they do over other points like safety etc. too.
Although ultimately they won't be able to fight Uber and services like them for very long. It'll end up like the music industry's farcical reaction to downloading etc. It's really sad that the specific skill set of a London cabbie is being made increasingly obsolete by technology. It really is. Although fighting it isn't the answer in the long-term. I just hope these protests aren't merely acting as a proxy for that because, ultimately, they're doomed...
it was cheaper than getting two night buses. you just call up and a taxi comes. so in that case i don't know why uber is better.
whats that sliding scale on prices thing? thats their appeal isn't it?
"Black cabs have been a symbol of London for many decades, known across the world. But symbols, no matter how iconic, cannot be allowed to stand in the way of innovation," said director general Simon Walker.
"Uber and its rival apps are an example of the positive disruption new technology brings, offering consumers new choices about how to travel.
"The battle over taxi apps gets to the heart of what creative destruction means. As a nation, we have to decide whether we want to open ourselves up to more choice and competition, or protect existing industries at the expense of consumers," he added.
Once again, I'm not dead convinced that it's the benefit to *consumers* that's really the issue here.
If they can no longer justify their prices with their skills, as compared to an average driver with a satnav, then they're not viable any more.
But yeah, let's not pretend, that it will be the consumer benefiting from all of this, it will be companies like Uber that are able to effectively monetise what comes after black cabs (any prat with a car undercutting the next prat with a car).
Although I'm not sure where people get the money from to frequently travel by cab full stop. Haven't got one for years.
stitch things like Uber up as well to an extent. So it's all swings and roundabouts.
as an average londoner on an average wage aside from going to the airport once in a while i mostly use cabs for avoiding night buses....with late running tubes this will surely crack a dent in that business
thats pretty much it, isnt it. black cabs are vastly overpriced vs. the alternatives now. either the service needs to improve or prices need to drop, else their market share goes down.
i love black cabs and im pretty sure they'll be around for a long time, but they're facing new challenges. id rather they had those challenges because it forces them to maintain a certain standard.
must have used it once or twice
if uber's cheaper than black cabs, how is it less accessible?
and how can this model possibly be applied to water etc?
can imagine a dystopia where it's applied to emergency services though :/
already sort of is in america where people take taxis instead of ambulances
Uber is currently a premium car service, which is as far from accessible as one could imagine. It actually falls to the municipality to build a service that is genuinely accessible, that services “citizens” rather than “customers”. Delivering mobility across a city includes the dispersed areas of low or unpredictable demand, the off-peak as well as the predictable peak, with cost of the former offset by the latter. Uber, however, is beginning to nibble away at both ends, yet without the idea of true accessibility in mind.
cos i then read that medium.com article that argues much the same thing and completely agreed with it.
it's all completely fucked. we all like the idea of getting great value for a service, and to be able to easily get paid for providing a service, but it's a horrific race to the bottom, all being skimmed by some fucking horrendous tax dodging shit-ends.
christ I'm bored
But... how do you know your driver has adequate insurance cover?
In fact how do you know he's not a maniac?
2) you don't, but, idk, the whole transaction's logged somewhere or something
2) This sounds awful - sticking with proper cabs.
is that in the states, white women drivers are doing the best, and black male drivers are doing... not so well.
Not that anyone's racist, obvs
it's a bit of a bind that they're in - I'm guessing they felt they really couldn't do nothing - but that's a terrible result...
And try not to use mini cab offices too much either, but do use Green Tomatoes from time to time.
Company used to use Addison Lee and I have had many chats with drivers about ridiculous hours they have to do, the costs passed on to them, the cut ALee take, the cost of the cars, etc. Had one driver (who was chewing on some herbal remedy at the time, presumably to stay awake) fall asleep at the wheel once when we were on the way to the airport and we bounced off the kerb and into the far lane, which was thankfully empty. He started crying and pleading with us not to grass him up as he'd been doing back to back shifts to earn enough money to make it worthwhile.
I'm really torn. It seems very unfair given the lengths black cab drivers have to go to for their jobs (the knowledge exams, cost of car, insurance, etc) that some guy with a sat nav can now take their business. Then again, I know of a couple of black cab drivers who have delighted in brazenly boring me on the way home with their stories of declaring minimum wage, fiddling their meter whilst earning £70K a year.
One things I thought might be a good solution in London would be to ban mini cabs from airports & taxi lanes, so that there is always a need for them somewhere. But no idea if that's viable or sensible really...
Not sure why people are saying they're "randoms in cars" when it's almost always the exact same model of car - a Prius for uber x and a Mercedes E class for the next one up. It's a premium product that is cheaper and easier than the alternatives.
Also when I got one on valentines day the driver had roses to give to passengers. Which was a nice touch.
Part of the licensing process is that cabbies are registered and checked.
You can choose your driver though, you get to see their profile and rating before you order them. So it's kinda regulation by crowdsourcing.
and just using tripadvisor then?
ALL TORIES ARE BASTARDS
Calm down, pooface.
but why are the cabbies all getting up in arms about this when Hailo, Kabbee, Green Tomato, etc. have been operating in London for ages? What's special about Uber?
Bit late. So basically Hailo et al. is for licensed cab drivers whereas Uber drivers are potentially just anyone with a car who fancies earning a bit of cash?
Was in San Francisco when all their cab drivers were getting up in arms about Lyft.
You have to be a licensed cabbie/professional driver with the right car to apply to be an uber driver. Jeez why I am defending uber.
I'm turning up aboslutely nada
As far as I can tell, you just need the appropriate car insurance - there are no other qualifications other than that.
Which surely involves checks of some kind being carried out?
The threshold for normal black cabs is still higher though, as they have to also meet this: https://www.gov.uk/dvsa-taxi-driving-test
that's way better than Lyft. That literally is just anyone with a car as far as I can tell. Only stipulation is you have to stick a silly pink moustache on the front. https://www.lyft.com/
My only objection is EVERY taxi driver should be background checked. When they are black cabs should get with the latest. Whilst theyre not I support the cabbies. No one wants an unlicensed rape/murder on their hands.
by using technology themselves. They don't want to end up like Blockbuster to Uber's Netflix.
Would've thought he'd have lobbed his tuppence in on this by now...
i like my things taxed
i don't pay tax either :'(
that's that settled then
didn't think it'd be you =D
I can't really complain you thought I was replying to you, tbh
might help you save face a bit? ;)