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Matlock Bath, Derbyshire.
i thought it just had posh people and bikers who go there.
Nice place, mind.
and they defos had an accent
I sometimes call people in the area for work purposes, they all sound exactly like my Grandparents and their friends.
teaching certain phonetics, phonemes and pronunciation of words i find it a right pain in the arse being a southerner because (even though it pains me to say) we are not phonetically correctly half of the time. When teaching children how to read certain words and trying to distinguish a short vowel (á é í ó ú - said like the sound ah, eh, ih, oh, uh) and a long vowel (ă, ĕ, ĭ, ŏ, ŭ - said like the letter name) its really difficult to teach certain words like "bÁth" to sound like "bARth" as it goes against the rule. In similar vein the same applies for MAGIC E sounds which is when a CVC (consonant vowel consonant) changes to a CVCE by adding an E to the end... cáp becomes căpe, mán becomes măne but then we have words like have and gíve (!) but yeah if we were to go and say that SCONE applies to this rule then it would technically be scŏne. However, I don't actually care that much. Ahem.
(It can rhyme with either gone or done, which is also pretty EXCITING.)
"The Great Vowel Shift was a series of chain shifts that affected historical long vowels but left short vowels largely alone. It is one of the primary causes of the idiosyncrasies in English spelling." (which it turn would lead to differences in speech and sound of the words)
so maybe that's why they change, but hav isn't a word so that doesn't change, therefore I reckon scone should rhyme with gone because 'scon' isn't a word???
when you remove the e, like gone and have
can anyone think of a word that has the long vowel that isn't another word when you take off the e?
Which uses the long vowel, even when 'give' does not.
as in short for Gavin :D
I did linguistics at uni (joint hons) but I never really applied it, to my great shame.
I think the 'correct' pronounciation of scone is to rhyme with gone, as the word dates back to gaelic. Scone (to rhyme with cone) is an affectation. However, language evolves and there are probably a zillion other words that aren't pronounced "correctly". Hence the pointlessness of arguing about it.
i think thats what i was trying to conclude.
don't matter mate, but yeah northern speech is way easier to teach.
I would PM you this, but PMs are a bit fucked. And it's hardly that personal a question.
as a speech and language assistant (currently applying for masters to become a therapist) and i teach literacy 1:1 to a group of year 7-9's who have a reading age below 9 years old. pretty passionate about what i do but i don't think i like talking about it on here, i guess.
my eldest has just been discharged from SLT - though it's primarily a speech issue rather than anything else. Through various multi-disciplinary assessments I feel like I've learned far more about child development than I'd ever anticipated. Glad it's eased off!
and the main thing i took from it is that the best way to understand the spelling (and presumably pronunciation?) of words is through etymology rather than rules.
such a great word.
...but do call it a split digraph not a "MAGIC E".
Clotted cream and then jam or jam then clotted cream?
Flavour of jam?
Scones are a minefield.
That truly is nuts. I like them open. Raisins, jam then clotted cream, no butter.
The sandwich way ensures you get a bit of everything in one bite. When it's in half you run the risk of a plain bit of scone.
we should hang out
Salt and pepper? No thanks, I'll stick to my raisins.
so it rhymes with one
the irony is killing me.
apology retracted, twat.