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Hmmm. I don't think he's dealt with any of that well at all.
knew this would be the first post
watching this now. absolutely destroyed.
'O'Brien then asked about Farage's claim that people would feel uncomfortable if a group of Romanian men moved in next door, pressing him to say whether he "would feel the same about a group of German children".
Farage replied: "I think you know the difference. We want an immigration policy that is not just based on controlling not just quantity but quality".
Good ayrian genes are fine, we don't want that other stuff?
He also said that Roma people are horribly persecuted in Romania, so we should make sure they stay there.
The real 'oof' comment was the 'You know exactly what I mean by that' when he first got pulled up on the Romanians next door thing. Genuinely believes everyone shares his prejudices, apparently.
who are probably skilled labourers and will be contributing to the economy, are less useful than German children, who will need schooling.
One suspects that if his wife was Romanian, he wouldn't have that opinion.
Way to project your own prejudices on the situation.
They might be completely unskilled and uncertified, i.e. employed by a UKIP member
rather than just letting him run his mouth off about immigration, it all starts to fall apart a bit.
you have to wonder why its taken so long for someone to not just be a massive fidel and take him to task in such a manner
Same thing always happens when the far-right (on immigration anyway) are put under scrutiny. Always people worried about `giving them a platform` and all that but the best thing to do is to give them not just a platform but with enough rope to hang themselves. People like Farage always will. Too many inconsistencies in what he believes.
cf. Nick Griffin on Question Time; Tommy Robinson on Newsnight/post arrest.
Love the fact Romanian immigration into the UK has reduced since January too. Lovely stuff.
I thought Nick Griffin on QT wasn't handled particularly well. Near impossible to moderate and Dimbleby himself made a good fist of it, but everyone seemed too eager to speak over him the second he got onto a slightly controversial topic.
I do agree that these voices should be heard and challenged properly on big platforms though.
Cameron, Osborne, Miliband, Balls, Clegg and Boris don't get challenged properly by the media anywhere near as often as they should be. Every interview seems far too closely stage managed.
did descend into everyone ganging up on Nick Griffin. It wasn't ideal but... I guess it's just an instinctive reaction to want to bash him when he's on the panel.
Was quite funny though when Griffin was repeatedly saying `I'm not legally allowed to tell you why I've changed my mind [on being a holocaust denier]` and Jack Straw was like `I'm the Justice Secretary and, I'm telling you, you can`. Tickled me that.
But yeah, give them all an airing and proper scrutiny should sort 'em all out.
But I was a Lib Dem at the time and I think that was one of the turning points for me. Even the more reasonable things he said, on non-race issues, were immediately jumped on and twisted into a race argument by the more vocal left-wing members of the panel. Just brought it home to me how most of the people who think of themselves as the enlightened liberal elite love the sound of their own voice above all else.
just because so many of the left wing are objectionable, awful, morally superior, hypocritical arsehats.
Which they are. But so is life.
"so many of the left wing are objectionable, awful, morally superior, hypocritical arsehats."
You can easily change 'left' to 'right' and the statement is equally valid.
first post too. nearly home time
Only a few min in and James is acting like he's on the sofa in his pants eating pizza and ice cream mumbling along to question time yet he's got Farage flustered. Brilliant.
makes a change from John Humphries, at least.
Quite funny that he follows Nick Ferrari's show, as O'Brien is pretty lefty and Ferrari more central/right, but both play devil's advocate really well and make for interesting radio.
He's a former Express columnist and journalist, who are overwhelmingly and openly pro-Conservative Party. Bit of a traditional Catholic mouthpiece on a few TV talk shows, too.
Generally dislike him, which goes to show how unpalatable Farage really is.
Former Express journo and pundit, and they've been almost exclusively pro-Tory party at general elections. Also a traditional Catholic rent-a-gob on several TV talk shows, so many of his social opinions are small c.
I generally find him pretty objectionable, so Farrage is in true perspective here.
sean's stupid website told me that post was too soon.
Bet sean votes UKIP.
I've always thought he came across pretty lefty when I've heard him before. Don't really know that much about either him or Ferrari other than what I hear in my dad's car on the radio so fair cop.
and prepared to question Farage. He's usually not this good.
Ferrari is awful though - just an ill-informed bullyboy shock-jock.
absolutely infuriating listening to him, which is I guess what he's going for, but still
of a populist, anti-immigration British politician on the campaign trail, giving him a German family would just be too much, right?
This whole script is in need of a re-write.
I found the company secretary stuff a bit harsh.
and it's about him wearing makeup for an interview.
they're beautiful. all the 'kippers having a little cry <3
is that surely the (eye of the beholder and all that) beauty of being a member of a disgustingly racist organisation is that you GET TO BE RACIST. Why are all the racists who joined a racist organisation pretending it's not racist? It is. That's why you joined it. To be racist with other racists.
It's like getting pool membership and then crying in denial when someone tells you you're wet.
When I play pool
Fucking fantastic. Getting smashed.
"What the media don't understand about us UKIPers, is that we are not so much anti- everything, but pro-British for Britain! We don't hate others, we just like what we are!"
If you're getting a write-up like that from the Mail, you're in a bit of trouble.
all of their readers think that the loony liberal Marxist media have got it in for farage. so they're taking that and running as far as possible with just to provoke the 'don't listen to the lies. Vote UKIP' comments.
The bit where he's squirming about the difference between his German bilingual children and Romanian bilingual children is amazing. What a tit.
I think a lot of you have gone into this expecting that the next semi-intelligent person to call Farage is going to be the one to break him, and that's exactly what you've heard as a result. He certainly made him sweat a bit, but I don't think he really did that much worse than anyone else would under a similar level of scrutiny (minutae of former business dealings and regrettable acquaintances). It's not exactly going to make a dent in UKIP's votes next Thursday, as only a very small few of very politically involved people will see any of these things as a reason to crucify him. Certainly a very good try though.
Come on now.
Did you listen to it?
When he was saying "we all know the difference between Germans and Romanians"?
When he was saying "my wife doesn't speak German on the train"
When he was trying to explain he's not in the political classes (ex-banking, ex-Tory btw) with media friends then his communications manager is from the Daily Express?
When he refused to be audited for expenses?
He got slaughtered. Completely slaughtered. I can't see a single point that he defended even slightly.
Everyone knows the UKIP line on Romanians, it's in their manifesto. It's not news. The inescapable fact is that the crime rate among them is disproportionately high. They come from a country where poverty is rife and they have to get by however they can. I don't blame them one bit for it. It's not incorrect to point out there is a problem there.
Yeah, I can't defend this 'no English on the bus' thing. Don't personally agree with that at all, but it's not an uncommon view that rapid demographic change makes people uncomfortable. It's not racism, it's fear and lack of stability. Understand that this is probably the only place I can come and speak to, what, 50 people and not a single one will espouse similar views to that. I'm working class, I'm from Bradford, not a trendy set in the big city packed with artists and activists.
Daily Express? What's their circulation exactly? How many other papers are willing to print positive pieces about UKIP? You know the Tories have the Murdochs behind them, right?
Expenses, got to admit I don't know the ins and outs of that exactly. Is it any more complex than people don't like what he spent his allowance as an MEP on? What political party do you support - can you get on your high horse about expenses?
I'm under no illusions it was a good interview for him, but I don't think it will be the one to destroy him, simply because a lot of it isn't particularly relevant to the reasons most UKIP supporters will vote for them.
past of the Zionist manipulation machine you #sheeple call the media
Do you have a better source (met figures?) than a famously left-leaning online news site?
Feel free to point me towards your proof Fred Dinenage...
the truth is relative depending on the agenda of who you're speaking to. I doubt even official Met figures are immune to spin.
Your "inescapable facts" are "relative" now. This is a seriously post-modern line of argument you've got going on here...
I thought I'd seen the figures UKIP use confirmed elsewhere before. But I can't remember where, so I'll just have to concede that I believe the right-wing spin more than the left-wing spin on this one.
Just don't quote them as "inescapable facts" to justify prejudice.
Is that statistic not worryingly high to you?
from 6 minutes onwards
I accept that the statistics might be unfairly skewed to an extent but even if you cut the figures I cited above in half, I'd still say it was pretty unacceptable. It's still an extra 500 arrests for violent crime a year, and what, an extra 4000 possible occurrences of petty thievery and begging. They stress that it's arrests, not convictions, but is there any reason to believe the conviction rate is significantly lower for Romanians than any other nationality to mitigate the artificially inflated arrest statistics?
You're completely justified in calling Farage out for saying he'd be uneasy if a group of Romanians moved in next door. You can't pre-judge like that. I just don't think you can have a lot of reservations about him being concerned about open door immigration with a country where criminality is apparently so rife.
Would you complain if someone suggested that we, as a nation, should be in some small part answerable to the actions of British football hooligans abroad, or that religious communities don't need to address the attitudes towards women or homosexuals of some of their more backwards elements?
How has the Romanian influx changed Bradford exactly? Or are you talking about the Pakistani and other non-white communities there? And if so, please tell us exactly how their immigration to the UK is different to that of your party's leader's wife?
We had to find jobs for the native population and the large number of immigrants brought in to work the mills. I don't think the place has ever really recovered. That's just one example of instability, and that's just about in my lifetime.
for Bradford's booming textile industry economy, and are therefore the ones responsible for its success by your analysis, are at fault for its decline?
You'd have preferred Bradford not to have had a successful textile industry at all? That sounds reasonable.
It's the administration's fault for letting the industry fall into disrepair, for Bradford's decline in general, and not being able to provide enough jobs for the increased population to go to afterwards. I'm not blaming the individual people at all. I'm blaming the system for biting off more than it can chew.
The administration or the system?
Which you tried to demonstrate by showing how immigration was essential to Bradford's economic success and "the administration" was responsible for its decline?
But those who masterminded it have long taken the money and ran. As much as I love the place and its people I'm not blind to the cultural ghettos, racial tension and general delapidation this has caused.
free-market capitalism to me...
wait! are you calling for... more government?
So we won't need more government going forward.
That'll be 500,000. So about 25% more than The Times. More than twice that of The Guardian.
Not really sure what your point is but you seem to be as light on facts as Farage, so there you go...
It's hardly full-on pro-Farage barrage, and I doubt Express employees have the same political intergration as those of News Corp.
As for your previous question, I didn't see too many Romanians about in Bradford while I lived there, but older folk had definitely seen huge demographic change in their lifetime. It's no different for the individual immigrant than Farage's wife moving here, but he's always been in favour of controlled, skilled immigration and I assume there will be places for spouses of British nationals. As for large influxes of unskilled workers, well I've expressed my problem with that many times before.
I think it's unfair bringing Farage's family into this. Whatever his views are on immigration, that's his wife, and for all the accusations of xenophobia his kids sound like true bilingual Europeans. On a tangent, do you hold Diane Abbott's decision to send her kids to private school despite trying to pass a bill to abolish them against her? Hypocrisy is far from exclusive to UKIP.
But not the thousands of other families he's happy to making sweeping and crass generalisations about who don't have access to the mainstream media on a daily basis?
Of course it's about hypocrisy. Feel free to point out which unmissable skills his wife brings to the UK which I'm unaware of. And how his bilingual kids are better than those in east London he apparently is so scared of.
And yes, I think Diane Abbott is just as much of a hypocrite and wouldn't vote for her either.
immigration has been a feature of this country going back to the 1950s and the Windrush. it's absolutely nothing new. how long should we be expected to mollycoddle people's unpleasant opinions? "demographic change makes people uncomfortable", you say? so what? they're still rational human beings, able to assimilate and process information, and i refuse to essentially patronise them in this way.
and much like other forms of prejudice, racism doesn't HAVE to be intentional. it runs a gamet from "I hate nig nogs" to complaining about what language people speak in public. the latter is far less egregious than the first, but it is still racism. and if nothing else, what absolute business is it of yours what languages other people speak?
100 million people? More? Why not let anyone in from any country in the world if immigration is so beneficial? Tell me where your outlook bumps up against practicality.
I live in hope.
The idea of prohibiting a human going from one part of the world to another is bullshit of the biggest order. It's a tacit acknowledgement of institutionalised untrustworthy behavior.
One would assume that several times that number actually read it.
Are there any other pro-UKIP papers? Enlighten me.
until they get spooked in the run up to an election and realise that they might affect the Tory vote. Outside of a month or two every two years they're all running articles in line with UKIP policy.
BBC's ever-brilliant More or Less largely debunked this supposedly inescapable fact last year:
Doubt you'll listen to it, but it's there for anyone else who might want to.
It doesn't really matter too much what the DiS Court of Public Opinion thinks (thankfully) - it's next Thursday that counts.
Avon Barksdale to In_Limbo's Marlo.
The Tories aren't even putting up a fight. They're expecting bad Euro results.
In the GE, if UKIP they flop (which I predict they will), it'll be like rats off a sinking ship.
you can only get the head of steam up once.
Never seen it, apart from two youtube clips: one where a guy says "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit", and another where two cops go into a room and say 'fuck' (or maybe 'shit') about 50 times.
and you think he's the big bad guy, he's going to be the big bad guy forever, how can he not be. And then a younger, more ruthles (essentially bigger and badder) man turns up called Marlo and you think it was obvious Avon could never remain the big bad guy when there are people like Marlo around. Marlo won't always be the big bad guy because someone else will come along and in_limbo should beware.
you've replaced by a newer and nastier character
Though I never saw myself as nasty.
Only a monster would post so many Quo threads.
"I rather often wonder if we shot one poofter, whether the next 99 would decide on balance that they weren't after all. We might then conclude that it's not a matter of genetics, but rather more a matter of education"
Because that's fucking sickening shit of the highest order
How the fuck has UKIP not invested in people to filter every single tweet from every person with their name attached before it gets published?
1) If people choose their sexuality, then when did that cunt choose to be straight?
2) If people choose their sexuality, so fucking what? Let people do what they want with their lives.
"I rather often wonder if we shot one UKIP member, whether the next 99 would decide on balance that they weren't after all. We might then conclude that it's not a matter of genetics, but rather more a matter of education"
if it's a choice, why would anyone choose to be gay with people like him in the world?
is how he keeps referring to stuff like that as 'silly comments'.
like he thinks homophobia and racism is just a bit of light hearted banter
actually found that a bit uncomfortable to watch, nearly feel sorry for old farage!
might listen to that again
just to be clear, I don't have a background in banking institutions
love the bit at the end where the UKIPs PR guy is trying to get him to shut up
"Don't worry man, I got this"
in a general election. it will be one of those WTF moments that we, as a society, will be collectively apologising for in 20 odd years. obviously a large amount of their support based will have passed away by the time history's laughing at their vote but imagine being one of the poor pricks who has to live with it
thought the interviewer was excellent. Very good mix of laid back while simultaneously giving a shit about the issues.
says something stupid, or offensive, on Twitter, at midnight..."
- Glad to hear his Welsh, NI, and Scottish UKIP project is spotless. Oh...
Farage: "I was doing afavour for a friend. I wasn't paid a penny..."
O'Brien: "Presumably, if the company owed 120 grand to the inland revenue there wasn't any money to go around..."
Farage: "I got on a train, and there were a lot of people around me and no-one spoke English..."
-Gawd bless poor ol' Nige of he ever bothers to hang out in the UK's very own Cymru or Na h-Eileanan Siar.
Farage: "What is racism...?"
O'Brien: "Don't you know?"
Farage: "Those communist countries..."
- JFC, Nige, I was kinda sorta prepared to give you a broad benefit of doubt, but just fuck off, yeah?
The bit with the director of communications piping up was splendid.
Nice. Like one of the very rare occasions when a mainstream press or TV journo has been bothered(/permitted/dared) to properly question a unionist Labour/Tory/Better Together campaigner as part of the Scottish Independence debate.