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I hated Gary Barlow before it was trendy
But tell me why you hate him anyway.
Nice to see a tax avoiding, sycophant Royalist, beige peddling, Simon Cowell smug puppet is getting his comeuppance.
David Cameron said he shouldn't give his OBE back - Oh by the way Gary Barlow donates to the Tory party. funny that.
MORNING YEAH?
morning babe x
didn't everyone used to hate him back in the take that days
then everyone started to love him
and now everyone hates him again?
See always go with your gut people, it seemed like bullying but people must have just sensed he was a bit of a shit.
I had a really long an protracted argument about him on Saturday
(when drunk). My mate was saying 'Patience' was a culmination of his career, the underdog really triumphing over adversity, cleverly biding his time.
Where I said, no, that's a made up narrative and in fact Barlow was top dog and Robbie Williams (not that I like him either) was the underdog and people hated Barlow as there was a general consensus he was a bit of a cunt.
And then he only reformed Take That because they were all skint and he's a Simon Cowell twat and basically, not some national treasure that people have been duped into thinking he is, these days.
And lo! turns out he IS a cunt.
I agree with you
Like that ted talk you posted where that guy says that normal, nice people don't really have what it takes to become successful at doing something they love, he's done it twice so there's got to be something a bit 'To Die For' about him.
Is he getting his comeuppance?
Considering how UP IN ARMS people got about Jimmy Carr this seems relatively tame in comparison.
think it's because people were surprised about jimmy carr, whereas everyone knows barlow is a cunt.
Did Jimmy Carr even get it in the neck that bad?
Certainly didn't seem to stop him getting work
think the issue with Carr
was more he'd done a skit about the subject on 10 O'Clock Live.
i think he's still hurting from when everyone was bad to him for being fat
http://www.me-me-me.tv/images/2011/01/Gary-Barlow-fat.png
christ, hard to believe it's the same guy!
He's had a hair transplant too
Not that it matters, but you know, makes a big difference.
citation needed
oh gary
Citation
http://www.belgraviacentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Gary-Barlow-Thinning-Hair.jpg
He's the reason I've stopped watching the X Factor
Really, there are a thousand reasons why I should've stopped watching it before then, but he was the nail in the coffin.
Not quite sure what his (sensible) tax affairs has to do with his OBE.
Why are people connecting the two?
Because once again
the general public has forgotten that real life isn't a reality show where you can phone in/click something to change outcomes.
Eh?
I'm getting all curmudgeonly
just the way that public outcry suddenly gets all "he should lose his OBE" without really thinking it through.
Thinking it through?
What it there to think through? There are literally no consequences.
He should lose it though, shouldn't he?
Hardly helping the nation is it? It's all a bit seedy and deceptive.
Should the charities he raised millions for have to give the money back too?
As this is what his OBE is for after all; it's not for services toward tax receipts.
lol?
He avoided paying what he should into our economy, so the money other people paid to charity should be returned?
That's a stupid leap, even for you!
It's not
but "public pressure" is a thing.
But not just by saying it to the air/on your facebook.
it's not particularly honouring to the Queen
if you're investing your funds in a dubious tax dodge.
I guess the question is whether it was an intentional dodge or not. But the idea of someone "accidentally" investing huge sums of money in the scheme seems a little unlikely to me. Who knows.
So one's 'loyalty' to the State (or the Monarch) is commensurate with how much of your money
you're freely willing to give them?
No, it's about contributing the same as anyone else.
Not finding ways out of it.
Yep
Also, Barlow has always been notoriously tight - it was one of the things always mentioned about him back in the Take Twat days. So the idea he accidentally poured thousands of pounds into something he was unaware of is total bullshit.
I think we should be very careful
about imposing penalties and punishments for people in situations like this over and above repayment to HMRC of what it is determined they owe.
Tax avoidance isn't illegal. Penalties and interest are already applied by HMRC as the penal element.
Tax avoidance isn't illegal.
Sweet, I'm not paying any more.
That sounds like tax evasion to me
Which is illegal. Sorry.
Shit.
*calls accountant*
This case is illegal as a court ruled it so
and said he has to pay it back.
Also: It's Gary Barlow. Case. Closed.
But he hasn't committed an offence
He just has to pay some historic taxes, with interest and penalties.
If he does, case closed. Talk about any other consequences (based on moral judgement) is utter guff.
Not really dude
He got an OBE and is seen as some British champion (Jubilee song and all that shite) but he's consciously trying to avoid putting into the pot.
As I said upthread though
there's a difference in my mind between a mistake (in which case, penalties and interest are appropriate), and culpable and wilful evasion (in which case, it's a criminal matter afaic).
I'm wondering how the law would treat it if an equivalent amount of welfare benefit had been incorrectly claimed. Experience* suggests that it would result in prosecution.
*not first-hand
There is also a difference between
culpable and wilful evasion on the one hand and using tax avoidance schemes that are arguably permissible under tax legislation but which HMRC then successfully argues are not on the other.
*willful avoidance
Do you want to pay more tax than you owe?
I still believe in my idea that the Government should set up a paypal account so that people that want to overpay can do so.
no, there's a difference between legal avoidance
and illegal evasion.
Example: legal avoidance = maximising your investments in pensions and ISAs. Illegal evasion = I dunno, accepting cash-in-hand for jobs. I have no idea how the rich evade tax.
I know there is a difference.
Barlow has avoided, not evaded as you said (hence he has done nothing illegal).
ethics aside, I think you and raanraals are kind-of right
in that i don't think there'd be enough evidence to support a criminal case for this kind of thing.
However, he's done a shit job of avoiding in this instance.
But whether a particular type of avoidance is legal or illegal
is often only tested in court when challenged by HMRC after it has been used by enough people. Legislation can be ambiguous and will always have some loopholes in it. Interpreting legislation and providing an extra layer of law is what the courts are for in a common law jurisdiction.
I bet Barlow's tax advisers would have told him that this scheme was a way he could pay less tax within the letter of the law. They wouldn't have told him that it was basically illegal tax evasion but he'd be OK because HMRC probably wouldn't wise up to it.
I'm not sure why people think OBEs and the like have any importance
The British Empire is pretty much the Falklands and Monserrat these days anyway
^This, really.
If Gary can lose his OBE but keep his millions of pounds, he'll probably do it. And OBE is a nice to have, but it won't feed your children.
Nah, it's a serious prestige thing
and Barlow's the kind of man who loves that trinket shit.
He'll never in a million years give it back.
Or in a million love songs.
Except it's not one or the other
An OBE should be an ostensible indicator of someone's character.
It's ceremonial hogwash and I'd sooner rather a republic etc.
Is someone's 'character' bound up in how much of their money
they're willing to freely give to the State?
No, it's about contributing the same as anyone else.
Not finding ways out of it.
This is to assume that tax payments are in any way consistent.
OBE holders children can get married
in the OBE chapel at St Pauls, so they've got that going for them
He's so fucking boring, and his songs are pretty shit too.
And he's a right wing goon. Saw some clips of the James Corden meets Barlow thing on Gogglebox, looked fucking frightening, what a horror show.
It was probably timing
I was disappointed with the adoration of Gary Barlow from the Gogglebox viewers. Except George's impression was decent.
They reacted to a programme, which, as with the show itself, conceived, edited and broadcast before the judge's verdict. There was a very evident Theroux/Savile taste.
Jeez, man
You should stop being so angry and hatey. Live and let live.
Nah, he owes the country serious amounts of money
and peddles Cowell's shit for cash.
My question to you Sandals, is why aren't you MORE angry?
The hell man?
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http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/L0zxoitUZfM/maxresdefault.jpg
No, but this is Gary Barlow.
Mokes is bang on.
8 questions Gary Balrow refused to answer or even acknowledge
http://usvsth3m.com/post/68045477264/8-questions-that-gary-barlow-refused-to-acknowledge-let
i like him but not his tory stuff
i like him on x factor. he's written some good songs
i'm kind of a complex person.
ps you all love his songs has he got an ivor novello?
^ This reads like a poem.
1000 other people used the scheme too.
moker seems to know a LOT about gary barlow
i think someone has a little crush
moker and Gary
sittin' in a tree
Know your enemy son
I'm also a powerhouse of knowledge on the Royal Family and UKIP.
Anyway, it's not Barlow's fault he's a dreamboat.
Konw your enemy
keep a scrapbook of your enemy
listen to your enemy on headphones at home wearing nothing but a body stocking
post angry things about your enemy online, hope your enemy will notice
woo your enemy trap your enemy in your basement
I'm currently reading Sun Tzu's Art of War
Relevant?
he's not going to sleep with you
That's Sun Tza's art of phwoar
Look what a donating to the Tory party can do for YOU
Jimmy Carr a twat says PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18521468
Not commenting about Barlow says PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18535642
most exciting thing he's ever done
He's still well fit though
Bears repeating:
http://www.me-me-me.tv/images/2011/01/Gary-Barlow-fat.png
That will just make meow like him more.
hooray
Look at this
http://s12.postimg.org/6r0dv2a3x/Screen_Shot_2014_05_12_at_12_48_47.png
holy shit
thought that'd been mocked up, been removed now
Oh, that's real
Bloody hell, poor bloke. All this tax scandal probably isn't helping. Unfortunate timing for it to come and bite him on the anus.
Was he just repeating what that troll sent him?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gary-barlow-twitter-troll-kenneth-1243846
Or am I missing the 'joke'?
I'm guessing someone else had gained access to his account
166 retweets 70 favourites
had a lot more than that before it was deleted
Hate the game, not the player.
But the player is Gary Barlow. So hate the player, too.
Hate the game, not the player.
But the player is Gary Barlow. So hate the player, too.
Hate the game, not the player.
But the player is Gary Player. So hate the player, too.
Hate the game, not the player.
But the player is Gary Barlow. So hate the player, too.
Hate the game, not the player.
But the player is Gary Barlow. So hate the player, too.
kinda like Barlow.
seems like a nice fella, has done very well for himself, comes across as quite grounded relative to his fame.
we hate people a bit too much for being famous, successful or boring. don't think it's particularly helpful and can lead to some pretty nasty stuff, like the tweet reposted above. if you don't like him just don't buy his records, life's too short to let yourself get angry about celebrities you don't like despite never having met them.
i'm going to award Barlow a Forza Twat Rating of 7%.
I'm annoyed at him for the following reasons
1) His love of the royal family and making that Jubilee song
2) His massive, illegal tax avoidance
3) His shit music (or the most part)
4) His partaking of X Factor
5) His Tory party donations
All fair enough don't you think? Good.
NATIONAL TREASURE
great film