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I like the idea of a manager being given time, they always said how Fergie was close to being sacked in his early days, but this just wasn't going to happen.
I don't think it is official yet by the way, but they are not commenting on reports that he has been fired, which says a lot.
but I think they have to at least give you at least a small amount of hope that they might improve. every time I've seen man utd play this season they've looked either pretty shit or total shit, and don't look like they're getting any better or anything like that.
klopp in please, just cos I like him and would like to see him in England.
He was in the office at 5am this morning*. Does that sound like a man worried about his job?
*This made me feel a little sad.
or he has many motivational posters and knick-knacks he'll need to clear from around his office when he's asked to clear his desk at lunchtime.
taken of him with Juan Mata.
Made my heart sink.
No job's worth that he should go and manage Tranmere Rovers or something it'll be better for everyone.
I feel sorry for Moyes
then making a complete bollocks of it as soon as you walk through the door
I'm not sure he's *that* bad a manager, but this will surely be his one and only shot at a big job. Liverpool was never on the cards for him, City likely the same and a complete no-no now. Seems inconceivable he'd go to Arsenal. At the rate Chelsea go through managers it's technically possible he'd have an Adecco placement there for a few months at some point in the season but you'd not back it. Spurs seems the biggest he could aim for, but he'll be too toxic for Levy for a while yet.
Where does he go next?
hopefully without the stupid dutch accent though
Magath will keep them up on the final day, but resign in disgrace when 4 players die in pre-season. Moyes in to steady the ship.
i want Fulham down to complete the west London holy championship trinity with Brentford and QPR. although Moyes managing a relegated Fulham would be acceptable.
so I can see that happening. Or Celtic when Lennon goes to West Ham or whoever.
but West Ham actually seems more likely now.
Just can't see it for a while. Getting sacked by Chelsea isn't much of a black mark on your CV. It's almost a supporting qualification.
regardless of how SAF 'signed' him - he could have said no. Also, the problems at MUFC are were clear as day - ageing CBs, no quality in midfield, a few dickheads in the camp. None of those should have been a surprise to him.
He's done nothing to resolve those problems in the time he was there. He's a 50 year old man with a £4.5m payoff who'll find a job in a year or so and won't have to deal with the limelight. He's a decent coach and decent manager and will work his way back towards the top I'm sure.
following an ignominious season-defining defeat ... And I don't have to be needlessly defensive about on the internet all day. What a time to be alive.
we'll probably go for poyet now he's won a game
i'll refer it to fidel for consideration.
whoever comes in's got a hell of a job to do but surely can't do any worse than moyes. think van gaal would be the one id least like to see go there of the names touted. that squad needs so much work and i think van gaal would be the best man for patching it up and making them semi competitive while they begin the larger rebuild.
They need a big name after Moyes and he's virtually the only one who's not already in a job.
Also noticeable how the talk of him joining Spurs slowed right down a couple of weeks ago and then he was pictured hanging out with Van Persie looking like a right bunch of mates.
And i was hoping he'd get another season but as other folk have mentioned there was very little light anywhere, his teams looked bereft of ideas and motivation.
I don't think all the blame lies at moyes' feet as he inherited an ageing team that needed massive overhaul.
because he never had it in the first place.
Sounds like he wasn't the man who even COULD overhaul the squad from day 1. Tried to stamp his own methods, personality and style on the team but sounds like they were having none of it.
This Giggs episode sounds a little bit telling too. Why does Moyes have to have him as part of his coaching set up just because he's a `club legend`? Sounds like the fella didn't stand a chance.
Horrible story that players ran crying to fergies house. Pricks
United aren't a sacking club.
Was obviously never to the job. No idea why people are painting him out to be a nice guy either unless its just sympathy for how helpless he looked from the day he took over. His payoff is probably more than ill earn in my lifetime so fook that.
He's always seemed a bit prickly and whingy to me. But he's seemed pretty dignified all season in spite of the fact he must've been under untold stress from all sides. Think people warm to that. Doesn't make him a top level gaffer mind.
The thing that makes me nauseous is knowing that Rio's gonna be rocking back today with a huge self-satisfied grin on his shitty wonky gob. Always a dark day when that cunt comes out on top.
dont think that changes just because he cant do his job properly.
Have enjoyed United being shown about 5 games into MOTD all season but I can understand their decision; not progressing, gives better players reason to stay, puts United on other managers radar, means they don't blow their transfer kitty.
Sorta always wanted him to fail from a 'it'd be great if United sucked' point of view but liked Moyes in general and the fact United were investing in the long term. Well, it could equally be argued that this sacking still does that as its increasingly looking like Moyes was well out of his depth.
Its not just the firing of backroom staff or recent results like the media are keen to point out, its that United have totally lost their air of superiority under Moyes. Average players leaving, post match interviews saying 'I don't know what to do...', Moyes' transfer targets being OK Everton players, a different team selection EVERY week... by now he should have a vague spine sorted and a few tactics all tricks to turn games around, but even that doesn't seem to be happening.
What also hasn't helped is it being the year where some hard graft and savvy freebies wins you plaudits; look at Pulis, Dyche, Martinez, Rogers, etc. The former have worked miracles on fumes, the latter two galvanised 2 Europa League flirters into top sides with a manager so charismatic, players like Suarez and Baines want to stay and play for you.
So yeah. Normally think these sackings are barmy and those teams relegated from the Prem this year will likely bear that out, but for once I think United had to do it. People were making fun of them and a year ago, they were shitting their pants at the mere sight of them...
Hammered 4-1 at Manchester City. This time Robin van Persie is absent with a thigh injury. Phil Jones spends 20 mins attemptiing to exit the ground by repeatedly pushing a door that says 'PULL' on it.
United lose 2-1 at home to West Brom, ending the Baggies' 35-year wait for an Old Trafford victory. Phil Jones accidentally says "Thanks Dad!" when David Moyes announces his team for the match.
After a sacked David Moyes drives away from the training ground for the last time, a bewildered Phil Jones runs after the car. Moyes is seen rolling down the window to shout "go back, boy! You're someone else's now!"
Is it Moys (like boys), or Moy-ez?
It's m- oh- yes.
The number of times I've checked the BBC this season when people have posted this. Not this time bucko
That's not really that many though, considering, is it?
but it really wasn't going to workout was it? probably buy some mid-table belter for £40m and further alienate the current players. hope whoever comes in can figure out how to make the united forward line work. also get a proper partner for evans.
Van Persie, Rooney, Mata are as good a trio as anyone. I'd probably say something like 'get out there and score lots of goals'. That's what Brendan Rodgers would say
One of them is the 'score lots of goals' envelope, one is the 'get fat and let me down' envelope. Go out there and make sure it's your name that I already put in the first envelope.
sadly he spent so long laminating the pages of that set pieces folder he never got around to it.
He'd probably put a motivational poster on the wall and ask them to line up and view it, one at a time. Maybe that Chinese lad standing in front of a tank. Or the tennis lady scratching her arse.
But I really do hope they got Valencia and Young to stand either side of him and chuck his P45 at him for 90 minutes.
If I have to make my peace with his brutal regime, might as well crank it up to 11 and have Carroll and Fellaini in the same team
Doug in Fife, via text on 81111:
Which Man Utd players would get
into Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool?
Rooney maybe. Van Persie when he
turns up. That's it. Man Utd were
supposed to be different. I'm done
Reckon they should keep it British for the next manager.
Sherwood, Allardyce or even keeping Giggs would be the best choices.
the massive deludinoid.
he claims he's better than mourinho, you know
is AVB available?
the answer is clearly Garry Monk
don't even suggest Sherwood for United, not going to be able to think about anything else for hours.
Haven't slept since because of the excitement.
"Man Utd is a great club and I feel very familiar with their wonderful fans. But my commitment to Borussia Dortmund is not breakable."
"Jagielka is a fine defender, but like Moyes, he has the stench of the small-time about him"
"Moyes chose his former player Phil Jagielka as the blueprint, advising the Champions League winner to watch the ex-Sheffield United man closely; to study his moves. Ferdinand paused for a second, before responding: “And what the fuck has he ever won?”
By and large, the world of football is not a particularly "cool" one. Sure, Jose Mourinho might possess the swagger of a man who knows his Todd Terje from his Todd Terry, but his favourite song of all time is by Bryan Adams. Jurgen Klopp's forward-thinking Dortmund team might have given rise to the phenomenon of the "football hipster", but the man himself is a devout Christian and heavy metal fan, which presumably means he listens to at least some Christian metal. And no one's ever gonna step up to be the ringleader of a POD revival, not even if it's ironic and not even if it's in Dalston.
The "football hipsters" themselves, with their love of unorthodox formations, mid-table Bundesliga playmakers, vintage Panini stickers and pubs where they aren't afraid to use the red button might seem like the Ramones in a world ruled by people like Henry Winter and Richard Keys, but take them out of the football bubble and they're just nerds in football shirts.
Even the players, young men with a lot of money and a lot of time on their hands – conditions that have traditionally bred hipsterdom – are staggeringly uncool. The Spanish national team love Kasabian, Vertonghen reads Dan Brown and even the really famous ones dress like small-town nightclub promoters.
" pubs where they aren't afraid to use the red button"
It's always interested me that the majority of footballers are seemingly married with a kid or two by their early/mid twenties. Surely being young, unimaginably wealthy and in peak physical condition are the ultimate preconditions for shagging your way through the world's most attractive women.
25 days combined prem managing experience ahead of Man Utd's relegation battle with Norwich on Saturday
like does this improve our chances or not? One thing's for sure, the bants will be RIFE
that coveted europa place is now theirs for the taking!
c'mon tim you can do it.
Must be a pretty good feeling going to a meeting first thing on a Tuesday morning after a bank holiday weekend, and an hour later be driving back to your luxury home in your top of the range car, listening to a bit of radio 2 and mulling over how to blow a couple of hundred grand on a massive holiday for the next few months.
I'm EXTREMELY jealous of David Moyes this morning
(it'll be Wenger's fault for not having organised this already) Let's hope they go for a ridiculous Giggs/Neville combo.
There'll be no 'getting' left to be done. No way Moyes would get the sack with a few games to go unless a new manager was in place, and Van Gaal announced his Netherlands exit plan weeks ago.
United got a march stolen on them in the summer window last year. I'd hope (well, not really but y'know) they've have learnt their lesson from that and not be getting a new boss who won't be getting his feet under the desk until after the WC. Especially seeing as he's got some kind of WARCHEST to unleash.
Could be wrong mind. There's also the `this club works on a long term vision` thing. LVG ain't no spring chicken...
allowing United to sack him and only pay 1 year's money in compensation if they missed out on Champion's League.
Don't think it's a coincidence that he's gone now after the loss to Everton finally made a top 4 finish impossible, presumably they decided weeks ago and will have been working on his replacement since then.
As much as there was plenty of trumpeting of Moyes being a long-term appointment, I don't think anyone thought that United weren't going to qualify for the CL - and if they didn't, that it would at least be a closely fought thing.
(That's where Wenger's planning on retiring)
Arsenal aren't a sacking club...
chelsea vs atletico later!
even if it is Giggs.
hopefully this'll make a resurgence
Was so hopelessly out of his depth, glad he's been put out of his misery albeit in a typically shambolic way
Looked completely overwhelmed and hopeless from the start. Hated the appoinment at the time and never bought into the 'earned his shot' narrative. There was a tl:dr post by an toffees fan in the weekend thread that summed up his many flaws. Was only ever going to end in one way.
‘In David Moyes, we have someone who understands the things that make this such a special club. We have secured a man who is committed to the long-term and will build teams for the future as well as now. Stability breeds success.’
‘I’d also like to remind you that we’ve had bad times here. The club stood by me. All my staff stood by me. The players stood by me. So your job now is to stand by our new manager. That is important.’
We don’t want the manager to be a hired gun for the next two or three years. We want the next generation to enjoy having him there creating his own legacy.
That's Sir Bobby Download to you lot.
and did a really weird loud yawn-laugh-snort thing. :/
Then both parts of Woodward's quote will be factually correct.
do you reckon ferguson was against it?
and then bang Coleen
for shits and giggles.
Attempts to break the crossing record we set against Fulham.
Pulls out a folder emblazoned with the legend, "sticking it in the mixer."
Tells Van Persie to model himself on Carlton Cole.
Comes out after a 3-0 loss to declare we were, "fucking magnificent."
Immediately faxes Everton an offer of 10 Lambert & Butler and a scotch egg for Baines.
I've let everyone down
'sources suggest he is not entirely happy in Munich and with the influence of former Bayern players at the club.'
Then Man Utd is not the place for him to go right now.
obviously i know dick all about what makes a good manager behind the scenes, but surely, SURELY a man that akin to a bored and slightly nervous temp can't have what it takes.
He wanted the top job so badly, and when he got it, he just couldn't do it.
I expect him to retire to a Scottish island and withdraw from public life. In years to come, a young acolyte will make the long journey across the water. A dark figure will emerge from the swirling mist. The young acolyte will hesitantly wait for great wisdom. The figure in the mist will whisper, almost inaudibly, so the young acolyte will barely be able hear..."Get Tony Hibbert."
he just couldn't do the post match interviews.
Q: Manager's office you'd most and least like to go in for the customary glass of wine after the match?
Most - Pepe Mel. Could chat about how the novel is getting on. That's good wine chat. Probably knows about wine as well. Wine is also good wine chat.
Least - Pochettino. Seems pretty charmless.
Do you make eye contact with him or the interpreter?
Just dull as dishwater.
I don't know anything about him but I saw him on Football Focus a few weeks back and thought he had the diction and generally demeanor of a quietly but deeply devoted born-again Christian.
Sherwood is probably the answer for both.
Undoubtedly a man that drinks wine straight from the bottle with the brown paper bag still around it [good] but you'd have to politely ask for a glass when he passed it over for a swig ("Get that down yer") [bad]
Lots of leather armchairs and mahogany, the wine would be tasty and he'd probably answer your questions with a story.
Least: That insurance salesman who manages Norwich. Imagine the office is a pile of cardboard boxes with no visible furniture and a faint, sweaty odour that suggests he might be living there. The wine would probably be left over from the Christmas party and you'd be drinking it out of a "World's Greatest Dad" mug he can't bring himself to get rid of. Likely to end with him crying.
for obvious reasons and because seemingly nobody else has ever managed it in the 18 years he's been here
Least: Pardew. He'd sit you in a small, uncomfy chair while his was massive and plush, he'd keep mentioning how much the wine cost and he'd be looking at porn the whole time.
if only to see them wince when they take their first gulp.
Mel is a decent shout. I'd also like to see inside Allardyce's office just to confirm he's got a massive oil self portrait on his wall and manager-of-the-month award displayed prominently below it.
Suspect the Norwich guy doesn't even have an office. They've been telling him for the last two weeks or so they're still in the process of sorting one out for him, and he's putting together his set piece binders and team talks in the back of his car.
It's up there with "hurling the gilet" as my favourite addition to the footballing lexicon of the season.
Technically, it IS the West Ham trophy cabinet
Most - Martinez.. seems like a decent chap.. doesnt drink so would be on the vimto = designated driver for a lift home
Least - Big Sam - after a glass or two he'd probably start doing that big laugh of his at his own jokes.. spraying red wine everywhere :(
least - mark robins seems in dire need of a personality transplant, likewise nigel clough. could send a glass eye to sleep those two.
Would like to see if he'd try to seduce me
on the wall, behind his chair.
----Brentdan on a---
-----bed, in a red----
---into the eyes of---
--INTO BED WITH--
There's something in his creepy fey voice of his that suggests he'd be weeping by the fourth glass, rambling between sobs about how no one understands him and he's never truly been happy.
very sentimental. I bet he goes on more holidays with Gary Pallister than with his wife. he'd probably get out the photos to show you.
he probably swills wine around his mouth for ages before swallowing though.
Magath & Poyet would be interesting too.
reckon Hughes would probably start ranting about how all football fans are vermin.
Just an increasingly awkward ten minute handshake where he maintains constant eye contact
It's that anything can be achieved with a plane-borne banner. Expect my "Ban TheWza for life" banner in the skies near you soon.
where no manager is going to be able to do it "properly" as their fans are going to be looking back to the glory days which will likely never happen again. Then it gets to the point where decent managers don't want to go near it as it is the kiss of death.
can turn it around. Plus they'll have the opposite narrative backdrop to Moyes - he had to follow a genius, whoever's next will be following:
The job directly after Fergie's successor is probably the most attractive in football frankly.
moyes was just a bad choice. with how good the atmosphere has been all season at old trafford a manager that gets us top four footy and playing attractive football will probably be canonised.
Started and ended the season very well. Weird how we managed to stay in and around the Play Off spots over Christmas given we went about 17 games without winning.
ANYHOW, Play Off spot is now more or less secured. Oxford could nick our place but would need a huge GD swing and to win every game.
One of our players on loan from Fulham said earlier in the season that it would take a monumental fuckup not to quality for the playoffs (we were in automatics at the time).
OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT.
Not impressed. Our recent form has been utterly woeful.
It definitely wasn't 'ground out'! However I'm glad we followed it up with breaking our home-game-shit-team hoodoo. Bring on the playoffs!
great stuff lads
Collates and streams all of the Football Podcasts you can imagine and lets you download them on the go for listening offline. Wonderful stuff and it's given me at least 4 new opinions to pass off as my own already today.
but Spurs' wiki page lists getting to the quarters of the Champions League as one of their 'honours' :)
(not sure what's more smalltime, them listing it or me posting it)
Hull City Psychos
as soon as the non-moyes thread was made
Atletico look pretty damn good. I think they're going to beat us.
Or am I going to have to steal it off the internet?
Simeone, when asked what he'd do if Chelsea deliberately surrender possession said "we will just give it straight back to them". Should be a corker...
From what I've seen, there are strong comparisons to be drawn at least in theory. I'm not sure the tactical set up Mourinho has favoured for most of this season has worked quite as well for us as the similar set up Simeone has adopted has worked for Atletico recently.
They really went for the throat against Barca. It wouldn't surprise me if they do the same tonight and try to kill the tie early.
Not sure Rui Faria would have quite as much to say for himself if faced with Burgos and Simeone looks like he keeps a knife in his boot
that David Moyes hasn't any eyebrows. Wtf.
finding it harder to hate them when their bellends are still being bellends, but bobbing about not really threatening anyone.
Hoping to get my schadenfreude fill tonight with Atletico.
I also love to hate when it comes to football (think it's much harder to hate football teams generally though these days)
"finding it harder to hate them when their bellends are still being bellends, but bobbing about not really threatening anyone."
Something, something admirable self-awareness.
why they hate Leeds though, lets be honest!
£200 expenditure offset by selling Fellaini (£27m), Ashley Young (£18m), Nani (£17m) and Anderson (£19m).
Soldado, Chadli, Lamela
Gary Neville in
but still...his 1-to-1s will probably have to be rescheduled
(still mad at the 93 cup final)
he looks exactly the same mate
Without using an extreme example like Mourinho, Fergie or Allardyce, please can you tell me what sets this guy apart from other Premier League in terms of his personal integrity?
I keep reading articles saying how although it was inevitable he'd be sacked, it's a shame because Moyes is a true gentleman, an absolute stand-up guy by which we should measure ourselves by.
So, by English football's standards, he's a prince among men
Which is kind of the point, people would say the same thing for most managers bar Mourinho.
HE'S TERRIBLE, UNITED ARE TERRIBLE, SURELY THEY'RE GOING TO SACK HIM, LOOK THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO OTHER MANAGERS ... Oh, they've sacked him. CLASSLESS. HE WAS A GOOD MAN.
we've had a very similar season to United this year, not sure who's been more small time though tbh
A fun list of Man Utds season so far from Football 365 letters page
Abysmal record against the top 6: P12 - W1 D2 L9. That speaks for itself really. If you can only take 5 points out of a possible 36 against your rivals (and that term is only loosely applied this season) then you're not long for the job.
2. Horrible brand of football. In about one hour's worth of possession against Everton we only managed 2 shots. It was a similar story against Liverpool and City. In other matches, e.g. Fulham, we've smashed in cross after cross (wasn't it 82?) and still failed to score often enough. Shambolic defending, often leaving de Gea with no chance at all, has been a trademark of this United team - something Moyes was supposedly strong at coaching.
3. The record at home. That we have only won 7 matches out of 16 at home is shocking; we've dropped 24 points out of a possible 48 - that's midtable form and we are not (or rather we weren't) a midtable team.
4. The records that have fallen. This season has been a season of unwanted firsts:
- First time Everton, Manchester City and Liverpool have beaten United home & away since Premier League's inception
- First time Everton have beaten United home and away since 1969-70
- First time United conceded a first-minute goal in the Premier League
- Lowest ever Premier League points tally
- Failed to qualify for the Champions League for the first time since 1995
- Worst home league form for over a decade
- First ever home defeat to Swansea
- First home defeat to Newcastle since 1972
- First home defeat to West Brom since 1978
- First league defeat to Stoke since 1984
They took 4 of those 5 points off us. Fucking hell.
we'd just got thrashed at Anfield and were clearly desperate not to lose again, so we played it stupidly safe.
Meanwhile I'm going to purposely ignore our own record against the rest of the top seven this season...
draw at home, get humped away. Not great, but at least there's a vaguely obvious problem to be addressed (tactics/set up away from home to the big teams). Turn a couple of those home matches into narrow wins and a couple of the away ones into draws and suddenly the table looks nicer. Moyes just got bummed left, right and centre. No way of picking out a pattern.
Think the home record for the smaller teams was actually better away than at home...
think you guys did better at home against the Top 6 and Man Utd did.
to take the focus off Chelsea getting their pants pulled down by Sunderland, at home. Classic Mourinho.
Mourinho really takes the fun out of Chelsea losing when he grabs the opposition manager by the arm and starts whispering into his ear. Let him run down the touchline, you big prick.
Doesn't take that long to say 'well done' or 'you really played well today, congratulations'
"Don't take it personally when I tell the media that you only won because of the ref."
Still, all this shouldn't mean we forget the fact that Chelsea lost at home to Sunderland and that was really, really funny.
That's not even a paragraph.
I'm lookin' for the good time
Can someone give me a reason
It's alleged that Woodward briefed the print press with the understanding that it would be prepped for the newspapers the following day but didn't embargo it. Didn't understand that they'd just whack it on their websites as soon as possible.
Chelsea to leave the Vicente Calderón a goal to the good tonight.
Brought to you by the man who in 2014 alone had Manchester United sneaking 5th place, Palace relegated, Carroll to make it to Brazil, and losing his FF league by 54 points.
No one sneaks 5th place. Some poor bugger gets stuck with it, but no one sneaks it.
Strap yourselves in, lads
You're going to have to come up with (yet) another username now.
bring back the hulkyhogan username.
is an even more poignant and apt username now.