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Absolutely shitin it for tomorrow
Scotland rose to 22nd in the world rankings yesterday?!
Never been to new Wembley before, any recommendations from fans of more successful clubs (leave it) for best pre/post match booze, eats, rucks etc?
I'm gonna go for a beer at Baker Street to watch City/Liverpool first I think, tube is only like just over 10 mins to Wembley on the Met line from there
*prepares to get inevitably proven wrong*
but it's convenient
And there are gazillions of good pubs on and near Marylebone High Street
other than Gunmakers maybe?
which looks grim but may have to do
And it is a pretty decent pub. It was more Smee's comment about there not being any good pubs near Baker Street. He's an idiot.
it may be more convenient to get the train from Marylebone.
The rest are all fucking shit. Apart from that little hooky one on Marylebone Lane which I've never been in.
like 5 mins away on the tube, loads of boozers.
That's our plan for *crosses fingers* potential play off final if we fluke our way there
Depends on how you feel about old man Irish pubs. Me, I fucking live for them.
If you want to watch footie, Brondes Age is probably best bet. Give North London Tavern a wide fucking berth
I always suggest that you just embrace the shitness of the grimy looking sports pub across the road from the McDonalds
There's a place a couple of doors down called the Blue Check or something which was slightly less grim/packed.
Our fans were allocated the same lot of pubs both times last year, Green Man was the best and has a big outdoor drinking tent. found out after that it's owned by (London based) Leeds fans though
Think Kilburn sounds the best bet, couple of nice places on that main street and a lower % chance of having to drink £6 pints of Carlsberg surrounded by awful, awful people
We've been given the Green Man that Shrewbie mentioned above, so that might be worth a look. First on that list and looks like it's about 3 minutes from the ground though so will presumably be absolutely rammed
will be useful for Sunday!
*subject to phone signal from the spot on Olympic Way where I'll be spending Saturday evening softly weeping
S'alright I'll equally be destroyed by inevitable Fulham pumping
Though it is close to the ground, it's a pretty big pub. And it's got an absolutely massive beer garden, so provided it's not raining it should be ok. They also served cans from an outside bar when I went there,which was a good idea, and meant it never took longer than a couple of minutes to get served.
Ignore all of this if it's shit weather though, and I was supporting a team with significantly less fans than Arsenal will have. Maybe the system will crumble with a bigger fanbase there.
if it's a sunny day then it's great. easy to get served (pricey carsberg I think) but it's a quality atmosphere and the beer garden is HUUGGE. Even if you have a few beers in town first I'd still stop by for at least one because there'll be thousands of fans there and it's a good singalong.
For the one against Chelsea I just had a few cans on the walkway up in the sun. Was bloody lovely.
but when I go to the NFL at Wembley I've started going for post-game drinks in the Hilton hotel bar to wait for the tube queue to stop being awful. It's predictably expensive, but less so than, for example, trying to drink inside Wembley, they have tonnes of TVs tuned in to sports channels, and (for the NFL at least) it's full of excitable foreign fans who are really happy to be there. Probably not the gritty match day experience you want, but anyway.
then turned me down when I tried to sign him :(
tonight Rotherham play Bradford I think. hope Bradford win 9-0, James Hanson triple hat trick.
I'm gonna be so upset when we lose tomorrow and he leaves for Celtic :(
we've lost our last million games against them and are generally a bit crap at the moment. away form has been slightly better than home but we're still gonna get dicked for six
but with hanson injured, hmmm, will downgrade my prediction, will win 7-0.
the love-in's getting ridiculous already. i'd like them to win it now cos i think it'd be an unbelievable achievement and they've been ridiculously entertaining, but if they do the media is gonna go into overdrive and it'll probably be unbearable.
game on sunday should be brilliant. ive been ignoring football cos of arsenal's capitulation so havent paid any attention to city's form, how are they likely to approach this? if someone wins this they become big favourites for the title surely (though city moreso than pool)? a draw would definitely be most exciting for the race but id much prefer either of these to win it over chelsea so would kinda prefer a result one way or the other. (n.b. dont even dislike chelsea, would be cool to see mourinho do it. just actually like both these other sides.)
they would have to really fuck up to not win the league. Only team you can see maybe taking points from them is Everton, and they have two more games than Liverpool to play.
Liverpool have to win the rest of the games to win, realistically. They could perhaps drop one and still win, but only if they beat City, and city mess up elsewhere.
They're just super glamorous and I've never seen them in the flesh, so that would be good.
for all our sakes.
then real beat bayern/pep.
then real win in a bloodthirsty final and the mourinho narrative comes full circle as carlo does what he couldnt do in three season's in his first season.
^best case scenario
with mourinho vs. pep being the most tedious of all (and therefor definitely what's going to happen)
Would be great to go to the Bernabeau too. Actually think we'd have a better chance against them than Athletico.
Not sure why there's any shades of grey in the rules for that sort of thing.
http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/administration/news/newsid=2088774.html second to last para particularly
Sounds like they heard I was planning a devestating critique on influential football discussion forum Drowned in Something and wanted to pre-empt the inevitable backlash (from DanielKelly).
and UEFA won't consider any such arrangement enforceable. But clubs are allowed to make whatever arrangement they want between each other. It's just an add-on fee really, same as any transfer. It's a bit dodgy of course, but in the same way that pretty much every exchange of oil money is.
I'd feel for the guy if he didn't get to play in a game he deserved to be in on merit though.
But it still surprises me that everyone thinks West Ham got away lightly with having to cough up £25m or £30, or whatever it was over Tevezgate when stuff like this has happened a number of times since.
Not directly comparable, but somewhere on the same spectrum for sure.
and Mourinho grabbing his arm and whispering stuff in his ear before the match
may as well be someone he technically owns.
The idea of one of them in the final makes me queasy.
atletico vs bayern final hopefully.
would the eventual victor have any players eligible for the final? That tie would have about 12 red cards in it
without trying to sound incredibly guardian, that could well be a better watch than either of the champions league semis
attention I pay to football coverage outside of the actual match these days. I have practically no idea of any "narratives" or beefs or opinions etc., and I much prefer it that way. If you find the media so tiresome why not just switch on at kick-off and turn off again at full-time like me?
I don't even watch post-match interviews or read about conferences or anything like that.
Madrid final is ON
Probably the best luck you can ask for when all the sides left are terrifyingly good
then beating chelsea in the worlds most boring final ever or athletico in the worlds most one sided final ever.
please can we start seeding the draw now?
i reckon real have got a pretty good chance of turning bayern over and all
no one can.
and the final only lasts 90 minutes and everyone usually gets drunk for it anyway
i want to put a lot down on juventus
strictly speaking, but it IS a must-win game: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26986951
like lembit opik
reports suggest Atletico can't afford the £2.5m fee Chelsea are charging per match, but my mate swears that UEFA overruled the clause.
The Mo Bangura Celtic/Elfsborg situation makes what is and isn't acceptable quite clear.
"Any agreement between the two clubs that this player wouldn’t play against Celtic should Elfsborg be drawn against them is purely between the clubs.
UEFA would not have any involvement or consideration of this agreement, it would be neither endorsed or enforceable by UEFA."
Chelsea can't, and according to the clause reports haven't, forbidden Atletico from picking Courtois. The clubs are perfectly free to come to an arrangement between themselves.
saw is this:
'"Both the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations contain clear provisions which strictly forbid any club to exert, or attempt to exert, any influence whatsoever over the players that another club may (or may not) field in a match.
"It follows that any provision in a private contract between clubs which might function in such a way as to influence who a club fields in a match is null, void and unenforceable so far as UEFA is concerned.
"Furthermore, any attempt to enforce such a provision would be a clear violation of both the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations and would therefore be sanctioned accordingly."'
Pretty clear, saying that if Chelsea try to enforce that clause, they would discipline them.
Atletico could just play him and not pay Chelsea, though they might then discover a rather hefty, new loan fee when they try to renew this summer
heard basically Chelsea have to either choose to use him as first team goalkeeper, or he will be off anyway.
What is important from a UEFA perspective is that any agreement between clubs is consensual. Atletico are perfectly free to pick Courtois.
The line of logic pursued in the post above mine would make the vast majority of loan deals, even transfers, illegal.
I sincerely doubt either club are concerned about it.
is that he's bartering. Courtois will play- Chelsea aren't going to deny him that while trying to tie him down to a new contract, and they've already let him play against them anyway. Atletico aren't being forced into anything (Courtois is an absolute steal for them), but you'd chance your arm to get a cheaper deal, wouldn't you?
If I Atleti I'm sure there'd be people queuing up to give them the money for it too. Just have a whip round at the Calderon
""The loan was arranged back in the start of the season. He can play against Chelsea, that's never in doubt,"
"Regarding the Uefa statement we'll evaluate that in due course. As far as we are concerned we will comply with loan rules. He can play in both ties against Chelsea if selected. That is fact."
still confused about if "can" is still under the conditions of having to pay a ridiculous amount of money.
Club A buys a player from Club B. The deal includes add-ons to be paid when the players hits designated milestones.
Club A later runs short of money, or decides the player isn't good enough to warrant further costs. They stop selecting the player.
Has Club B unduly influenced Club A's team selections, or undermined the integrity of the game? I wouldn't say so, and I'm certain UEFA wouldn't.
As far as I can see, this really isn't any different. If the clause exists and in the terms reported, it will not be a matter of 'enforcement', but Atletico choosing to take up an option they've already agreed to in principle. If Atletico, or any other club, broke the terms of a transactional contract, what power would UEFA have to stop the injured party pursuing reparation? None.
Is this the doomsday scenario approaching with the potential for every other team to win something and Everton getting into the top four?
Liverpool winning it would be fucking horrific though. Would like Everton to get in the top-4 over Arsenal frankly, them losing to Hull in the final would be fun as well.
Chelsea winning the CL would be grim but again, it doesn't really mean anything. Of course they're going to win multiple CLs it's an inevitability.
It just seems like the rest of English football is doing a little jig of Fergie's, METAPHORICAL, grave.
City and Chelsea's success is a lot easier to come to terms with because it's to be expected, if a team spends £500m they're going to win stuff. The artificiality of it all makes it a lot easier to stomach. (Not that I begrudge the success for their fans in any way, they're obviously loving it and fair play)
Liverpool winning it would hurt a lot more as they're still more relevant in the grand scheme of things and they'll have done it the quote-unquote "right" way.
And vulgarball investment aside, City really are a lot more palatable than Chelsea or Liverpool, no massive cunts in the side, no massive cunt of a manager, just not that cunty really.
Despite being nowhere for 20-odd years, we're still only 2 titles away from reclaiming that throne, with what looks like a promising future ahead, particularly regarding how good and young the manager is. It would really rankle with United fans that after nearly three decades of total domination, they only briefly overtook Liverpool on domestic titles and never came close to toppling their European record.
Do admit though, that if we win this league, we're gonna be annoying as fuck. We already are tbf.
A year ago it looked like we were going to be sitting comfortably on our perch for a long time. That looks a million miles away now.
Then all of a sudden Status quo terms of the last quarter century is straight back in place.
Also I think if they won the league they might have a bit of a battle to keep hold of Rodgers.
He's going to spend £200m on absolute dross and the role reversal with Liverpool is going to be complete.
thought loyalty to managers was a defining Man Utd trait?
Anyhow, Moyes will come good i'm sure.
but after all that champ19ns bs, it would be quite entertaining.
Just the way it is, no matter how many more titles we win, or Leeds fans (heh) convincing themselves otherwise
>> Duke of dork <<
Daniel's causing a stur
Robbie Keane had his somersault,
Gareth Bale persists with that
ridiculous heart thing but
Daniel Sturridge's dance is about
to really, really get on your
tits. He's been asking producer
Duke Dumont to make a house track
for him "based around my dance"
before the World Cup.
Worryingly, we don't think
Mr Dumont has said no yet.
The Echo did a vote for a combined XI yesterday, and only 4 Liverpool players made it (Suarez, Gerrard, Mignolet, Skrtel) I think. The latter two are very debatable, especially Skrtel.
Attack: Liverpool better.
Defence: City distinctively better (best centre half and right back in the league)
Midfield: City marginally better - individually they are miles better, but I'm yet to see one team contain the passing game of our central 3 and not have the piss taken - we also adapt and change in that area...
Managers: Rodgers is the most tactically astute in the Prem for me
On paper, it should be theirs to lose. But the atmosphere will be enormous and I fancy Liverpool to win a close-fought match with a lot of goals. We will concede, you can guarantee that, but I think we'll outscore them. If we win, then let's go on and win the league by all means. If not, 2nd will do nicely. I demand we finish above Chelsea.
it will be a massive failure if Liverpool fail to win the league this year, Champions League qualification or not
The fans will probably call for the managers' head tbf.
City without their top scorer, Chelsea preoccupied with the Champions League, still to play both of them at Fortress Anfield. Realistically they won't have a better chance for a long while...
The rest of your post is a wind-up.
But none of the rest. Absolutely ridiculous.
Realistically this might be his last chance.
If we don't win it this year, we're hardly gonna storm into next season and do it, especially with the added CL fixtures.
Luckily, there's not one other player to better handle that pressure. Pressure brings the best out of Gerrard. At club level that is, England fans. Fully expect him to fluff a pen if we get any in Brazil.
HartDog's a wanker, but he's definitely the better keeper
a lot of good sides.
"yeah messi and maradonna could never play in the same team". thats not the point of the game.
So your point is hogswash.
(I assume when you do these on here nobody cheats)
9 players from the squads of the 2001 Champions League Final have played in the Premier League.
That's a combined total of 9 from both, not each. Starting XI and seven subs for the Final only.
My colleaguez have got 3 so far after about 20 minutes...
or was that a different year?
Aurelio and John Carew?
I honestly cannot think of any more who have come over. Only people like Ollie Kahn spring to mind.
Totally forgot that he was actually really good/highly-rated in his early days
Santa Cruz maybe?
This is tough.
he was at Bayern then no?
There's one who's played in the Championship but not the Prem.
played about once or summat. can't remember his name though.
(I liked Aurelio actually)
Also, Mendieta was at borough, right?
Didn't Deschamps come from Valencia to Chelsea?
Christ, some of those are hard :D
got a bit upset with this one
1. Patrik Andersson (Rovers)
2. Owen Hargreaves (United / City)
3. Michael Tarnat (City)
4. Roque Santa Cruz (Rovers / City)
5. Mauricio Pellegrino (Liverpool)
6. Gaizka Mendieta (Boro)
7. John Carew (Villa / Stoke / Wham)
8. Fab Aurelio (Liverpool)
9. Didier Deschamps (Chelsea)
that's not bad.
Would have never in a zillion years got Andersson and Tarnat. (and if I wasn't a Liverpool fan Fab or 'grino - the latter with help from Verbal tbf)
These are really good:
Just ordered Zidane, Platini and Zico
Zidane one is great but really reminds me of that Mogwai soundtrack to that film about him- sure it had really similar art work. Might just be making that up though.