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From a source you can trust:
(Where's that weird badges of honour thread?)
"Study coordinator and epidemiologist Nathalie Burkert told The Austrian Times: “We have already distanced ourselves from this claim as it is an incorrect interpretation of our data.
"We did find that vegetarians suffer more from certain conditions like asthma, cancer and mental illnesses than people that eat meat as well, but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect.
“There needs to be further study done before this question can be answered.”"
I thought better of the Indie, that is the usual tactic employed by the Mail et al.
(I also felt this way about the last anti-meat article to hit the graun)
any journalist in violation gets put in a microwave for a minute
I'm not in it for health
I eat a lot of veg but have a very unhealthy lifestyle.
It's not the point.
But plant sentience is obviously very basic compared to animals of any kind, plants don't have a central nervous system, so even if they do have certain survival functions (even feeling forms of pain etc) I don't think they experience trauma like say a cow does?
It is if it's a choice between planet based diet and burgers / kebabs / curries - which is probably why it seems healthier. But we need meat. We're omnivore. We're evolutionarily predisposed to eat and process meat. We're meant to.
But I fucking hate eating meat as I feel so so awful about it. Pretty much stopped eating pork or ham or bacon because of this:
Haven't read the article.
takes the edge off it a bit
I think you are wrong.
Just because we "can" eat meat in no way suggests we should, or have to.
plus I like arguing anyway
Man alive, I can't write anything these days without someone thinking I'm just being contrary.
I feel like Danny Dyer. I've been painted into a corner by critics and snipes and I can't move for mockery.
is entirely sincere. I don't think you're ever trolling. But 'moking' is still a thing. It's kind of a frustrated, angry pontificating about things one has little knowledge of.
Everyone in this thread has little knowledge! Unless there's some qualified dieticians that have kept their qualifications under wraps.
"We're omnivore. We're evolutionarily predisposed to eat and process meat. We're meant to." though.
Phone a dietician and ask them if you want expert advice.
Or ask Gorks who's pretending to be one.
we're almost all chumps with very little actual knowledge spouting it as fact because of self-importance/loving arguing.
Okay Dr Pegfeet take it easy x
all the great civilisations from history ate a heavily grained-based diet.
Corn, rice, and other starchy foods
Carbs are so bad for you omg
Yeah but not very much meat, certainly nowhere near as much as we now eat.
Our distant chimp ancestors mainly ate fruit, gums and stalks supplemented with insects and eggs and our more recent hominid ancestors largely ate nuts, seeds and the occasional animal they could hunt.
Eating meat every day is a very recent occurrence.
to make it digestable suggests it is not particularly natural. It is more "natural" than drinking milk or eating cheese though I suppose.
Moker? your rebuttals please...
Embarrassingly unfunny gif
Particularly so in this instance.
better get down mac do's for lunch
Doesn't sound very healthy tbh tbf...
We just don't know.
pretty sure that encouraging people to eat a bit less meat is a better idea than lecturing people into thinking that they shouldn't eat meat at all.
Only eat meat when ordering out, maybe 2-3 meals a week Max. less is definitely better. And I feel infinitely better than when I used to have a massively meat heavy diet
I think it's the way forward, western culture deffo eats too much meat but I still believe it to be an important part of diet.
We'll see about that.
...that paints their own dietary choices in the best light. "But look, this study by The University Of Graz in, err (consults map), Austria says that we should eat more meat. Fuck you World Health Organisation!!!11"
Having a healthy diet these days is not rocket surgery. Basing your diet massively around meat, which seems to be becoming increasingly common, is as much of a dietary choice as choosing to exclude meat altogether.
I think it's reasonably well-established, isn't it, that vegetarians have to work harder to have a `fully` nutritional diet than meat eaters? As in - they have to supplement the nutritional losses caused by not eating meat through other sources. Think Vitamin B12 deficiency is common in vegetarians although I could be wrong.
Either way - if you interpret this as `vegetarianism is worse for you than eating meat` then you're a fucking mug. All it means is that vegetarianism comes with dietary responsibility and it's the responsibility of the individual making that choice to make sure they eat a full, balanced diet.
Not sure any of this makes full sense.
As an aside, Graz is a lovely place to visit and relatively cheap for Austria. Hometown of Arnold Schwarzenegger too.
actually, there were nice views from up on that monster hill right by the town centre
That's next door to the above mentioned science bridge...
a fair bit of meat in his time. Do you get stacked veggies?
Hero of Taranaki, and all black prop forward 1993-1997.
Not all that healthy then.
just eat and take a bit of everything and you will be fine, neglect or indulge on anything and you will die.
it's more of a steel grating that allows material to sluice through so it can be collected and exported.
Don't worry though, I went for the 'vegetarian' side option (deep fried macaroni cheese balls).
i'm going to go to bovine university
and keep arguing
I'm a vegetarian, not even by choice. In all honesty I can't the taste of most meat.
I had steak scampi and chips for T last friday and it was immense. Full bag of scampi and all. Everything was deep fried bar the steak, which was fried in lavishings of butter
never eaten meat or fish in my life (once by accident). I have never had any major health problems.
The new site adjusts your answers to include the truth. It's done via Google. And lasers.
Check. Am I doing it right, PO?
SportsDirect mugs in America too.
What a time to be alive.
he lives in the uk
Sounds legit, bro!
Couldn't you have at least found someone PRETENDING to be an academic?
It seems to be happening a lot lately.
I hope you have a good one.
I can honestly say I put on a stupid amount of weight (basically becoming very overweight), and my life sucked.
In all honesty, this was mostly because all the meals my family cooked had meat in them, so I ended up eating ready meals and takeaway pizza most nights. And it was miserable because I really really wanted to eat meat.
thinking about fucking it off but the thing is I wasn't a big meat eater to begin with. I only liked chicken and bacon in moderation and feel absolutely awful about eating it. If I do go back, it will be to fresh chicken only I think.
Being veggie was difficult at first but my diet has got around it, though I eat WAY more junk food like chocolate and crisps since going veggie, it's insane. My lunch options suck too, it's always just either falafel, egg & cress, cheese or a baked potato at work.
I've been very mentally unwell lately too, absolutely full of anxiety and been having bouts of heavy depression. Some of this is linked to my (likely soon to be diagnosed) bi-polar and long going OCD issues but it's been worse since going veggie. Who knows, maybe there is something in it. I'm tired a lot too.