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quinton fortune punditting like a bad man y'all
the guy is secretly running the world
another 6-9 months out.
think it's time to call it a day lad, all the best.
Imagine having your career ended by Jonny fucking Evans.
as was holden's last injury (the same leg he'd also broken prior to the injury caused by Jevans).
needlessly_defensive perhaps but evans is a good egg, not fair to plant this on him.
but I'm struggling with finding a motive for him coming into the office and finding grounds for me to get fired.
Now we can concentrate on winning the FA cup.
Playing Bayern really brings it home. I spend a lot of the time saying to myself, "you know, Sagnas a pretty good player", and then you watch Philip Lahm...
Totally fed up with Arteta now. He's spent the last two months trying to get sent off. Moans too much. Way too slow with the ball.
Podolski should be in the starting 11.
Still dont understand how Manzukic is in that team.
I'd like to see Neuer playing for someone really shit, to see how much he'd get found out.
it's one the reasons they kept getting the ball straight back.
Why was Fabianski playing? Isn't Sczsezcsszceny first choice?
As you were.
Don't think Neur would get found out.
He catches everything.
So many times I see a shot arcing towards him; the sort of shot a different keeper may parry away. Neur catches it.
He catches everything.
No keepers just catch it these days. It makes a good shot look tame.
He's great because he catches things.
Like a poor man's Karl Darlow. Or something.
Bayern are so irritantingly good. Whenever they give the ball away they're straight in with a body check or ankle nibble. Either the ref ignores it and they get the ball back, or they concede a harmless freekick and don't get carded. And because they almost never give the ball away, it makes them impossible to play against. I'd love to see a proper game with the ref cracking down on them early, could be interesting.
with the number of times they'd stop an Arsenal break in its infancy with a cynical, niggly foul. It's a cunt tactic.
Complete unpunishable by the rules. Usually an opposition centre-back getting a yellow early in the game is a positive, but your chances of drawing another foul from him are so slim that it's essentially neutral.
apparently it's 'tactically intelligent' though so it's allowed? Not even being a 'whiny arsenal fan', not bothered about the result yesterday, just think refs need to be directed more on that sort of thing. They'll give yellows for basically the same sort of professional fouls that are 30 metres further up the pitch, and I actually think the stuff bayern and southampton get away with is even more professional foul-y. It's definitely more professional, anyway.
and it irritates the hell out of me that "high-pressing" teams get away with it so much.
Think it's more that high-pressing teams are particularly prone to being counter-attacked, and the fouls they commit are likely to be more desperate.
But it occurs to me that I'm not sure what is being talked about necessarily. Is it teams committing cynical fouls 50 yards from goals to prevent a break away? Because I'm not sure I could name a PL team who isn't guilty of that. Or teams parking in the opposition half and going down while in possession whenever the opposition try to press up? Because that is markedly Bayern/Barca.
It's a particular bugbear of mine with sides that dominate possession and press high. If they constantly break up the play with cynical fouls when they lose possession (and the other team might actually have a chance to break against them), it's so annoying.
As Royter says, it makes them almost impossible to play against.
at how under punished cynical challenges 50 yards from the goal are in comparison to, for example, a genuine mistake in the penalty area. But the flip side is that you'll only continuously fall victim to them if you're being territorially dominated by a stronger and smarter team who are able to keep you in non threatening areas.
I tuned in and out of last night's game, but I got the impression that Bayern rarely fouled to halt a mid-flow counter attack. Their fouls came a move or two before even that- that is proper domination. Bastards.
but there were a few occasions on which Arsenal had a genuinely good fast break opportunity that Bayern snuffed out with a "professional" foul. The Ox bursting forward through the middle, Podolski pegging it up the line, etc.
still_here is right about these being 'semi-professional' fouls, there needs to be more risk involved with making them.
Probably deserved to be honest.
The longer this is in the news the better because the photo the BBC keep using of the incident is awesome and looks just like this:
Loved Podolski last night.
Neur looked like he couldn't help but revert to the natural animal instinct but to flinch in the face of a 300mph projectile.
ie not much but bangs in a few goals. Problem is Walcott works because Sagna is such an important part of Arsenal's play, and he's bloody reliable, whereas Podolski gets paired with Man of Glass Gibbs or Flaky Monreal, and hardly ever gets a run of games. Would be great if he was integrated into the team properly, no-one else in the squad can kick it that hard.
maybe a quiz question like, "name the only 4 barrys to have scored own goals on wednesdays in the blue square premier"?
gary goals' shit brother.
and classico derbies.
Can't wait for Redknapp's sacking in the summer
Apparently they had a naughty banner or two on the go
it's gay gooners anyway.
Without a doubt the best goal I've seen in the flesh.
came on loan to us last season and looked really good and then suffered a horrible leg break
anyway, fairly satisfying result in what was something close to a dead rubber pretty much ruined by the news that ozil's out for at least a few weeks. We're getting ramsey back on sunday, was getting excited for FINALLY having a proper first team again. A front four of ramsey, cazorla/rosicky, ozil, oxlade chamberlain and uh giroud is actually very good and should've got us a good result or two in the coming stupidly difficult fixtures. Obviously that's not arsenal enough though.
Apparently we have more players injured right now than the rest of the top 4 put together, kind of gets me at my most #wengerout that does.
Why sell him? That's ridiculous.
Look at Bayern's bench from last night...now look at ours.
You may not think he's great but he's better than who the alternative is (Isaac Hayden and an empty 7th spot where there was Ryo).
The best teams have squads of quality and that is exactly what Arsenal have missed.
we've currently got 5 (caz, pod, ox, walc, gnab). Sell podolski, make gnabry a more prominent member of the first team, buy a mobile striker who if necessary can play wide (draxler?). That's more than enough imo. Our problem isnt a lack of strength in depth its a laughable injury record.
And what do you need you have a laughable injury record?
Strength in depth.
Can't see how replacing 100 caps for Germany Podolski with 3 caps for German U19 is a progressive step really. He's not ready to play that prominently.
Besides Cazorla and Ox will, at times, due to said laughable injury record, be needed to play more centrally. At this point I'd rather have Podolski than Ganbry.
our bench would've probably looked like this:
Vermaelen, Flamini, Wilshere, Cazorla, Rosicky, Podolski.
Obviously doesn't compare to Bayern's but that's easily good enough for a team with an outside chance of winning the PL. Swap Podolski for s literally just injuries.
....Swap Podolski for some sort of top striker, and flamini for some sort of top holding midfielder, which i think will be our priorities in the summer, and we have a great squad. It's literally just injuries, and we shouldn't try to compensate for that by just hoarding players- for one thing the club just can't afford to keep a 90k p/w player on the bench/out of the matchday squad. For another, instead of compensating for it the club should be addressing it, given that it's long overdue.
Anyway I think Gnabry will become a much better player than podolski, and since we're not chelsea or city we should make room for him for the long term benefits it would bring.
Get in a top striker (one who can run), keep Podolski, then swap Arteta for a proper holder/distributer. Can't believe you'd get rid of Flamini, he'd kill you and all your family.
its looking less like defensive organisation and more like a nervous tick every time he does it. I bet he does it during sex.
than anything else Arsenal have had all season. Re: the rest of the squad building debate, think it's better to be overstocked and have to freeze players out then it is to be understocked and have to make do with substandard players.
i don't want arsenal to lose that part of its identity. Also think doing that will hurt the team in the long-term. But it is a difficult balance so idk.
The current 'ideal' first team is what? 2 'developed' players? 3 or 4 if you count Ramsey and Walcott.
No point crossing your fingers and hoping for a season of no injuries, it'll never happen.
scezszszs, gibbs, ramsey, walcott, ox. All homegrown and trained by arsenal according to UEFA rules i think, so y'know... There are also a number of very good players in the youth teams- suspect zelalem, gnabry (if he still counts), crowley and to a lesser extent bellerin and hayden (shit, even Toral and Olsson) should and will be given a lot of opportunities before they're disregarded. No reason we can't build a bayern/barca-esque group of homegrown players who go on to conquer the world. Unless podolski's getting in their way, that is, the dickhead.
Anyway, my point with injuries is that every other top team in the world almost, bar dortmund this season for some reason, consistently has a significantly better injury record than us, year in year out. Don't think you can doubt that it's prevented us winning a number of trophies in the past, therefore in crude terms LESS INJURIES = TROPHEES.
lacks a little finesse.
the point was i think we're well past the stage where we put it down to luck. Some of them are luck (diaby, walcott, wilshere maybe), but i refuse to believe all our players just happen to have bodies that don't serve them particularly well. I don't know how you sort that out cos i don't have the right knowledge, btu at the very least the board should hire someone to investigate in depth why it's happening (assuming theyve not done this already, think i'm probably quite safe there)
and who gets them, but having a lot of quality in the squad helps you cope and carry on competing regardless. Also, Wilshere got mega-crocked because there was no option but to play him, so squad depth helps with injuries that way too.
In terms of luck, Arsenal have been phenomenally lucky this season in terms of defensive injuries, still doesn't excuse the lack of depth at centre-back.
to recent seasons as far as properly club-developed players go?
You've got Sczesesesesesny and Wilshere. Is Gibbs first pick at left back?
Three, or even two, is obviously pretty good compared to most teams but I have a vague, uncertain feeling that it's a pretty low number by Arsenal's standards over the last decade but thinking about it now it may be pretty standard.
but it comes from the post-Emirates 'we develop players' line rather than any tradition.
and amazingly, less dirty.
and play like barca and real, and the old man utd, with no striker. just play podolski miles forward but on the left, like this:
sagna - mert - koseilney - gibbs
unless he's playing towards your end
Quick, somebody take the sky from above the Ghostbusters HQ when all the ghosts get out and photoshop it in to the sky above the Nou Camp.
I've heard that if you watch tonight's game while listening to the audio from 'Alien vs Predator' they eerily sync up.
not here :D
and prove my initial point at the same time
cant take another 4 or 5 goal drubbing
have taken a beating tonight
city have been completely shite defensively.
Completely shite defences don't tend to go 45 minutes without conceding against Barca.
They've perhaps relied on moments of class from individuals rather than solid, systematic team defending but that's kinda to be expected in a fixture like this.
penalty + disallowed goal, not even one of those 'he shouldve scored' things, they should actually have had 2 goals if the officiating was decent (assuming penalty was scored obvs).
Moments of class have been far and few between defensively, too, kompany aside. One of them will almost certainly get sent off in the second half i reckon.
Barca players have already started falling over when within a 3' radius of a booked City player.
Just think 'completely shite' might have overcooked it a bit but idk maybe you and the City fans enjoy your little tet a tets on here so I'll stay out of it from now on.
still_here's revolutionary new plan to stop Arsenal players ever getting injured.
I thought you were advocating having fewer players in the squad but just getting them injured less often.
As a supporter of a team that played two months of the season without any fit strikers or centre-backs, I'm right behind you.
no, i said i was in favour of having 2 first team players for every position i.e. pretty much the same as every top team. I can't be bothered to do this actually, you're the thick one not me
Don't worry, we got this. I'm faxing this to Gollivan right away. Cheers dude.
Sorry, got distracted as I was reading this: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-perception-bias.htm
nakhi wells: dived, subbed, booed off
awwww i don't have it in my heart to hate him, never really minded huddersfield anyway.
he was sort of a diving bellend with us but only with his back to goal when he had no chance of scoring
yeah the dive was chasing a high bouncing ball behind for a goal kick, went over, did the praying-on-knees thing. had already done something similar in the first half. referee weirdly didn't book him but then also failed to card our own diver (reza ghoochanejhad, watch out for his dives!!)
huddersfield weren't bad. we were bang up for it and played quite well but they were fairly strong & disciplined
Rare to get through an away game without one calamitous mistake at the back. You were always going to be up for it, trying to impress the new manager.
Wells has blown hot and cold. Started with a bang, had a a striker against Barnsley recently, but had a few indifferent performances too. Sounds like this was one of them.
youse were limited to long-range shots except once when we were caught square and your bro went round the goalkeeper only to discover dorian dervite was another goalkeeper :O