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I was surprised that the IBF ordered a rematch. I thought the stoppage was just about fair, if a tad premature. Given the iffy stuff that passes without the ranking boards batting an eyelid I expected that to stand. Still, it's forced a rematch which is definitely a Good Thing, so whatever.
Does he genuinely believe he can do Groves, or is he willing to take a beating for the payday? Surely he's minted already? If I was him I'd leave well alone.
too much of an ego to relinquish the belt and look like was afraid. Plus Ward isn't interested and Chavez Jr could well lose to Vera and and make their potential fight look a lot less appealing to the American broadcasters. What else is there for him?
I guess it's the IBF belt thing. I bet he's shitting himself right now.
Froch's gonna get minced. Probably the best thing for him to do in fairness. Better for him to retire after getting smashed by a fierce young fighter (who may go on to decent things) than to duck out off the back of a dodgy stoppage.
Good thing the IBF ordered a rematch because I don't reckon Froch would have ever taken a rematch. I mean, maybe if the purse was HUGE, but even then, it is a dangerous fight at the end of his career. The first one was brutal
the last fight went exactly as every other Froch fight against a decent fighter - Froch started really slowly and came into it more towards the middle of the fight. I personally think the stoppage was on the harsh side of fair, but you know, better to stop too early than too late.
I think Groves will probably shade it this time, but I'll be hugely surprised if it is a one sided beating either way. I like Groves, he's a decent fighter, but he showed his inexperience a few times in the first fight and I expect him to do so again.
and will get the job done before celebrating. He seemed to think his victory was a foregone conclusion after such a blistering start. You'd think he'd never seen a Froch fight.
But then you'd hope Froch would be ready (or as ready as you can be) for Groves to start at such a pace this time around. That's what makes it such a potentially fascinating fight. But yeah, anyone who thinks Groves has got it won just because he started so well last time is mental.
and I think the elementary mistakes by Groves should be ironed out (the taunting was so stupid for example) but there's other syuff, the way he drops his hands as he jumps out of a combination whioch Froch will eat right up if he hasn;t got sorted.
TBH, I think it could be an incredible fight, and I'd love it to be a war that ends Froch's career with real dignity and launches Groves into the big leagues.
Equally it could be a cagey snoozefest.
I can't see it, whereas Groves probably will be. If he'd been more clinical in the first fight we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Froch's a great fighter and it was awesome the way he toughed it out and found those punches to take Groves down, but a wee bit more sense from Groves when he was on the front foot and Froch wouldn't have had the chance.
I agree it's not totally a foregone conclusion, but my money's very much on Groves.
But doubtless they will.
Don't really get all the anti-Frochness. If Groves was using his brain he would have taken the knock down and got himself back together rather than flail around whinging.
My head says Groves (just) but Froch surely can't perform any worse than last time.
What a card Matchroom are gonna put on for this.... LETSGETITON!
anyone gonna try and get tickets?
But I am going to watch it at home in my pants while bouncing up and down on the sofa and screaming WE ARE SPORT!!!1111 at the telly. Much like the Burns game on Saturday night (which was fought at the Hydro just down the road, but sometimes it's better just watching at home, don't you think?)
It is definitely me.
Top. top trolling from Solido. Didn't even try to make weight, bloated up to two weight divisions above Lomachenko and then spent the entire fight punching him in the balls and somehow getting away with it. Welcome to pro boxing, kid.
Think Groves will just edge it, but as a Nottingham boy I am Froch all the way.
I only managed to get some because I know someone involved in the promotion but the whole thing was a typical Seetickets nightmare (site constantly crashing and thousands of tickets immediately going on sale for £200 each on Stub Hub).
Carl Froch's brother looks like an atrocious cunt, doesn't he?
about how excited I am for this. CANNOT WAIT.
But i reall really dislike George Groves. Usually, i take a fairly balanced view when watching boxing, but George Groves, regardless of how well he performs just really annoys me. He always has, since his fights with Kenny Anderson and James De Gale. I think it's because he looks daft in his baseball cap http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/22/article-2511746-1995283D00000578-616_634x492.jpg
Mayweather v Maidana was actually quite close. Probably about as near as we'll get to see Floyd losing. Maidana was a bit wild, but he had plenty of luck roughing Mayweather up, especially early on. Floyd won it by about two rounds, but the judges scoring was a bit wider.
Amir Khan did a proper job on Luis Collazo, who only Shane Mosley has ever really beaten up before. Thought he might get his head knocked off again but he boxed on the backfoot, looked pretty heavy-handed at the weight and snuffed out what Collazo threw back. Needs to cut out the holding, though.
I feared the step up to Welterweight was going to end badly for him but he looked the part. Virgil Hunter seems to have slapped some discipline into him. The word seems to be that Mayweather v Maidana II is going to happen before he gets a look in on that mega-payday, but there are plenty of fights for him at that weight that look mouth-watering on paper. It'll be interesting to see what he does next - he'll want to keep his stock high to stay in the Money picture and there are a lot of dangerous fighters at WW..
someone ranked high enough to be a credible opponent, but who isn't a big enough puncher to knock him out and spoil his big payday, maybe Josesito Lopez or Jesus Soto Karass.
what are you thoughts? can see groves going for the kill early, if froch survives that, should be reet.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a much more cagey affair early on compared to last time, but I hope both fighters are true to their word and just go for each other from the first bell. Should be a cracking fight either way. Cannae wait.
The third fight would generate an insane mount of money so it will have to happen.
I'm going Groves by KO rounds 1-4 @ 12/1.
Where might they look?
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couldn't condone it
Find him unbearably childishly arrogant (worse than I expect from boxers) and it's only my cock-er-ny friends who want him to win
I can't decide who I think will win, I just hope Froch flattens him.
Full day of boxing. Great stuff.
Looking forward to this at a pub in the evening. It's been a while since I saw a big fight at the pub.
Both are pretty concusive punchers and there's genuine bad blood there. As above, i think Groves will win early and pretty emphatically. If that happens we'll never see Froch in a ring again. Hope he can walk away in one piece.
Obviously a narrow or controversial Groves win would set up an outrageously huge rubber match. A Froch win of any kind and he should retire on the spot, he'd never beat Ward, he'd have no other questions to answer, and there'd be no better place to bow out than infront of 80,000 people in the national stadium.
it's weird man
...and the signs have been there that he's declining...and y'know, he's 37, and a multi-millionaire whose career has been at a level above his ability suggested it might be.
It's a very dangerous game. When fighters start to show that decline or a loss of hunger (in other cases, not Froch) they should knock it on the head. Ricky Burns should retire, John Murray should retire, Matthew Macklin should retire, David Price should retire, Enzo Maccaranelli should retire. Any fighter who gets concusively knocked out more than once ought to, imho.
If Froch can't win and win convincingly (ie not on technicality or pure chance) then his stock as a boxer is pish.
but the way people talk about boxers is strange, every loss there are shouts for retirement, people start cracking on that they were always shite, pickledoeuf below saying his stock will be pish (not having a go or owt, plenty people will say the same)... how is that? he's clearly one of the very best in the world fighting one of the very best in the world. people were telling manny to jack it in after marquez... it's especially odd in a sport whose history is so jammed full of comeback stories.
i'd have to imagine 80% of journeymen boxers have been knocked cold more than once. it just seems that if you were or are near the top and take a bad loss then everyone piles in. dunno.
This is reputational and will be a seminal night in his career, and he and his big mouth have contributed to that (all boxers give it the big *does that yapping action with thumb and fingers* but he is a classic of having to live up to his own hype.)
Conversely though I agree with your general pint that boxing in particular seems to be a sport which invites this Do Or Die mentality, but that's perhaps because of all the yapping.
the super six already secured his legacy for me. most excited i've been following boxing was taylor through to bute.
All fair points.
I am waiting for my mate, Mad Jimmy, to get back to me with the intelligence. I should probably say that Jimmy has lost me miniature fortunes over the years, so I'll be betting against whatever he tells me, I think he might be a thrower.
I am so psyched and a bit scared for this, ohhh and my knee freckle is back which means a) luck and b) too much sun. What could go wrong?
In hindsight, not 100% sure I should have been watching those as a kid, let alone the Michael Watson fight.
Brutal, brutal fights with real animosity behind them. Easy to forget now how good a boxer Eubank was as well as being a complete prick.
was the Benn v McClellan fight.
I don't think I watched another fight for ten years after that one.
unless its a cracking fight (which maybe 1 in 10 are) then theres just not the excitement there to keep me interested.
will be watching the main event for sure.. is there any decent fights on the undercard?
started watching Jamie somebody or other against an unkown thai guy but quickly switched back to ufc prelims
^this quite a bit
Probably due to the fact that UFC is a company and matches are made by a small group of individuals (Joe Silva) who put together fights that for the most part dont look to protect fighter records - fights are matched on style and skill. Boxing unfortunately has got to a point where guys a thrown into matches to inflate someones record, looking for the $$$$ fight later down the line.
jks i agree
Dont think ive seen a boring Maldonado fight though!
Just any tv you don't need to pay for
No-one rocks the monocle like that guy.
Excited about another generation of Eubanks coming through.
Last British fighter I really enjoyed watching
WHAT THE FROCH
Hulk Hogan-style tear?
and don't know anything about boxing, but froch looks a complete different class tonight. right?
what a punch.
you aren't going to get a better full stop for a career than that punch, in that stadium. It was just perfection.
But then if he can get to Vegas to face Chavez Jr, then sure, why not? I reckon he wins that one. Then I hope he quits before a rematch with Ward. No good comes from that.
Been watching boxing for twenty years and that's as good an overhand right as i've seen.
It genuinely is the greatest sport in the world. Find it massively embarrassing when people, normally uni students who are scared of women, try to claim UFC is on a par with it. Why watch trunked girly kung-fu wrestling when you can watch something like Froch v Groves?
Brutal. Not particularly fair, Groves was winning the fight quite clearly, despite what Jim Watt was claiming, but brutal, and clinical, and fucking brilliant, and a once in a generation occasion that no minor sport without the history behind it could pull off.
Froch is Britain's greatest modern sportsman, not simply our country's greatest modern boxer. He's an all-time great at his weight, of the sport, and full stop. Thought he'd get well beat tonight, proved me (and the majority, let's be honest) wrong again. I'd be very disappointed if he didn't pack it in.
You are talking out your arse, mind. Groves was not winning; Froch is not Britain's greatest sportsman (that's Aaron Ramsey, right?), although in all fairness he had a really good fight, and did on balance deserve to win even before that (admittedly very) good punch.
Groves was winning for a moment in the fifth round. That's all, though.
I scored it very similarly and remember giving Groves the first three rounds. One of the rounds they gave to Froch i couldn't split, so going into Round 8 i had Groves winning four rounds, Froch two with one split.
The best way to do it is to score as you're going. Lots of the time the outcome or latter stages of a fight can muddy your judgement. Froch was labouring early and took ages to get his jab going. Groves was tagging him pretty much at will over the opening rounds.
Groves was winning it in my opinion. You understand how that works, right? I watched the fight with five people, three of us had Groves ahead, three Froch. At least three of the completed rounds were very hard to split. Absolutely nobody can have an issue with the fight being two or three rounds either way. The best way to tell usually is to see what Jim Watt says, he gets it wrong most weeks. It was the definitive 'what you like' fight. Froch is my favourite fighter, but i had Groves ahead. For you to say my opinion is wrong rather than different to yours suggests you don't really understand that scoring fights is subjective.
I genuinely think Froch should be spoken of alongside people like Wiggings, Farah, etc, as the greatest British sportsman of this era. He won't be, because people are still a bit snobby and insecure about boxing, but eleven of twelve opponents over a six-year period have been top ten ranked world class fighters, he's travelled all over the world to face them and has won multiple world titles. That is absolutely at least as impressive as some angry Scottish fella winning Wimbledon, or some Belgian riding a bike for a bit, *in my opinion*.
people had no problem recognising lewis or calzaghes achievements, maybe because lewis was matched against more household names.. holyfield, tyson etc or calzaghe going unbeaten.
eubank, hamed and hatton all more famous when fighting than froch is now.
It's certainly true that heavyweight boxing is almost a sport of its own and has always and will always capture the public's imagination more than the lower weights. It's (wrongly) judged the pinnacle of the sport. Lewis achieved world fame sort of by proxy of being a heavyweight, in my opinion, but yeah, his career happened at just the right time, he was physically impressive in a quickly failing division. Had he been ten years younger he'd have been nowhere near as famous because the names wouldn't have been there to bulk up his record. I strongly believe he was overrated, but then i've never really been a huge fan of heavyweight boxing.
Calzaghe's standing in the sport annoys me greatly. Had he been American or South-American he'd have lost five or more fights. Some people argue boxing's about match-making, and it's probably true, but i'd consider only Lacy and Kessler to be the impressive names on his record. He ducked fighters he didn't want to fight and was protected by promoters, he fought others well past their best. Froch at his best would've beaten Calzaghe at his, but one fighter clearly took on all comers and the other was very carefully managed.
Within boxing Froch has done enough now to be revered. Steve Bunce and other commentators have been championing him as Britain's greatest fighter for years. Outside of it he'll probably never get the credit he deserves. I think that's partly a generational thing, but perhaps partly due to Froch's personality. He's quite a difficult character, doesn't really have the charisma or profile some of those other you mention had, but he's absolutely someone the whole country should be immensely proud of.
And I am actually going to apologise here, because you know a lot more about boxing than I do, even though I disagree with your analysis of the fight (in my opinion). To say he's the best British sportsman's a bit much, mind, even ignoring cyclists, tennis players, runners and divers (insert Ashley Young joke).
It's not about knowing more, i could just be talking more without knowing more than you at all, it's just about accepting that it's a very subjective sport and peoples opinions aren't necessarily wrong or right just...different.
He seems pretty set on finishing with a fight in Vegas.
There are only realistically three fights - Ward, Golovkin, Chavez Jr. The latter of those would be by far the biggest grossing, especially if they could get it on one of the two Mexican public holiday weekends. It's also probably the most winnable, Chavez has come up a weight and has quite a padded record.
He absolutely under no circumstances should consider fighting Golovkin. The man's an absolute monster and if anyone could knock Froch out it's most likely him.
Ward beat Froch quite routinely last time, but he's not a big earner and has few supporters. The fight Hearn should be looking at is getting Ward over here. Sure, that might not be the fight Froch wants, but they could easily sell out somewhere like the City Ground or another 40-000ish football stadium, and there'd be lots of money in it.
Retirement would be the best bet, though.
froch 3 & 5, couldn't call the second or the sixth.
anyone calling it definitively either way is being a bit daft.
that was fairly definitive tbf
If you couldn't call two of the seven rounds then you couldn't have an issue with someone else hypotheically scoring it 5-2 in Groves' favour...
The widest anybody on here's scored it is two rounds in Groves' favour. The only person i've seen who scored it any wider than that was Jim Watt, who seemed to be under the impression Froch won virtually every round.
not saying people can't score rounds how they want but it was very tight, barely any offence through 6 rounds. if someone saw that as domination by either fighter then i don't think it's totally out of line to call them a bit daft.
you're contradicting yourself again...but we'll leave it, it's fine.
i'm saying it was a very close fight until the knockout, that's all.
sound internal logic.
Not really a fan of boxing, but there is something about a big fight that really captures the imagination.
Something I was wondering though - has anyone ever been to a huge fight like that? I'm sure the atmosphere's amazing, and if you're at ground level or the first tier it's probably pretty good, but there must have been thousands of people who paid a lot of money to be miles away from the action, and could presumably see close to fuck all?
right up in the nosebleeds. You can obviously see the ring, but you can't really judge much aside from their movement - you have to watch the big screens to actually see anything.
I suppose it's the atmosphere you're there for though. I remember we were terrified listening to some guys behind us who were screaming - SCREAMING - absolutely horrific obscenities and violence throughout the entire card, eventually when we turned to sneak a look, it turned out they were about 12 :D They got kicked out before the Calzaghe fight for boozing.
Groves may well have taken it on points. But he was always in danger of getting KTFO, whilst not really posing that threat himself
had a cheeky bet on Froch 7-9. Called it tbf
in a light blue shirt and tie staring at his laptop and completely missing the knockout punch
then as camera pans away you just see his eyebrows raise as if 'ooooohh shit'
It was fucking brilliant. Every fight on the undercard finished inside the distance, and to then get such a spectacular finish, it was worth every penny of the ticket price.
I had Groves just about ahead, but it was a tight cagey fight and some of those rounds could've gone either way.
I did have a few quid on Froch to win in the 8th though, so the result was doubly exciting for me!
Sounds like he's going to go for one last hurrah in Vegas, and who can blame him? If I'd achieved all he had I think I'd want my name in lights over there, just once before I settle into retirement with my absurdly hot wife.
Nothing beats boxing.
I felt quite strongly that he won the fight, though can see why eyebrows might've been raised by the scoring. A positive thing when judges give fights to who's landing the cleaner shots though, not whoever's seen as the aggressor (dancing about a bit more). Thought Porter was crude, and Brook dominated the second half of the fight. Definitely a clash of styles, though.
I guess the judges took that into account. Personally I thought the fight was pretty close and could have gone either way. Brook wasn't aggressive enough in the first half but was able to land some good punches when Porter began to tire.
Not the prettiest fight I've ever seen but he was much more clinical with his shots. I had him winning by two rounds, though it was a nightmare to judge. Glad there wasn't any hometown bias from the judges in a match where just about any result was plausible.
Current welterweight champs; Floyd Mayweather (x2), Manny Pacquiao...and Kell Brook. Incredible scenes.
is dancing in gold hotpants on a BBC 1 saturday night show called "TUMBLE" I actually choked on my tea last night. I recorded it and keep playing it back, with my mouth open, agog.
Mayweather-maidana II predictions?
Of course everyone is going to be watching UFC Fight night: Brasilia and Arlovski bore a decision over bigfoot Silva, but this little re-match might be worth a watch...
I've gone for a may weather victory, but he's going to be knocked down
Can't forsee any danger. Think he'll then simply finish with the two biggest selling fights, Pacquaio and probably a rematch with Alvarez on Mexican Bank Holiday weekend. I'd be staggered if he didn't retire on 49-0, and given his era and division not much of an argument about him being one of the very greatest. Don't find his fights particularly exciting, mind.
'Routine mid round stoppage'?
That hasn't happened in ages.
Another Mayweather win on points.
Jesus, I hope this isn't ANOTHER boring one...
Decent fight, pretty poor card overall. Mayweather looked like age was catching up with him at times, but Maidana didn't seem as up for it. Maybe the ref stopping him fighting on the inside hindered him, I dunno. Money was probably just too good though.
Some potentially excellent fights coming up in the next few months.
Lost widely on all three judges scorecards. Absolute joke. Cheating bastards. Completely dominated the latter half of the fight, yet one judge gave him one fucking round.
Smith was first to the punch almost every time. Boxing judging is absolutely criminal.
Three pros have said they scored it a draw, but as Murray says that's taking the German scoring into account. I had Smith winning by three rounds. Thought he absolutely dominated from the middle of the fight up until the end of the eleventh, but these twats have given him three, three and one round, respectively. Even bearing in mind Jim Watt and Sky can be pro-British fighters and that can sway viewers, Smith won that fight.