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fucking hated it so much
he was like nah you'll be able to afford it. I was like I'M UNEMPLOYED YOU MASSIVE TWAT (in my head). Repeated that a couple of times.
Knock on your door to speak to you i mean. I thought it was something they didn't do. Feels like they crossed a line. Like when Avon's guys shot Omar's mum's hat on the sunday.
i remember some girl knocking on our door when i was 18/19 and unemployed and talking me into signing up for a gorilla rescue charity.
shit was cold, nah'm sayin?
and he had a hype man, who sort of lurked behind him and chimed in with agreement after every false platitude
imagine being a chugger's hype man
I assumed he was his apprentice. The job requiring a lot of specialist training and all
he was trying to use lines like "not even for a couple of good looking guys like us" and stuff. i closed the door without saying bye :')
say you're 17 years old and they go away fwiw
If they come to your house.
or that they just want to chat. Of course they are trying to sell something, they aren't giving out solar panel advice or charity information for the fun of it. Then they show you a laminated badge, as if that actually means anything. I just close the door in their face. Surely the amount of people who actually sign up for stuff from their front door is tiny?
Just smile, say "no thanks" and close the door. Chuggers are annoying but very easily dealt with.
*quick glance at charity's name*
Chugger: blah, blah, shit patter...
You: "Oh, I already give £5 a month to [charity name], you do wonderful work.
Chugger: *silence* Oh, right, bye.
Chuggers aren't trusted with existing donors' details, so this works anywhere except over the phone where they might ask you to increase your donation.
don't engage except to ask "which agency do you work for?". This is chugger kryptonite to the extent that I've had one literally run away from me.
Almost all charities employ third parties to do this and a serious complaint can lead to them losing future business.
these are almost always third party 'marketing' firms - that's how they position themselves anyway - hiring young people to just do field sales for charities etc.
and the lies he told people to try get them to sign up was flabbergasting.
was wordlessly closing my glass-paned front door on a UKIP door knocker, and then standing silently in front of the door until he went away. You can't get that sort of satisfaction from a flat intercom.
And then not answer the door
paints an ever more disturbing picture.
it's a fucking pain. I wish there were some way to get into the autocorrect function and wipe its mind.
Why can't you just say 'no thanks' and get on with you day? Being a dick to someone raising money for charity is just fucking nasty, and being irked that you've lost about 20 seconds from your day - very likely to go back to watching HBO or just fucking sitting there - is pretty damning too.
Is DiS regressing or something?
and most do, I do. I think the issue is being guilt tripped by someone, at your door, who is probably a wideboy dickhead with no actual emotive link to the cause, and for sure isn't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, is irksome.
I don't let it bother me personally, but it is irritating, and sometimes you get ones who lay on the guilt thick when you say no 'oh, don't you care about [cause]' - absolute bellends.
has anyone ever said that to you at your door? You don't care about x etc?
THAT warrants a fuck off, yes. But I've never met a 'wideboy' at my door collecting for charity. Usually they're bright people trying to help.
Sadly most are pretty unprofessional.
The polite ones at the door are likely volunteers instead.
as long as it's not more than one a week I can deal with 5 seconds of 'cheeky' while I say thank you very much but no. It's hardly arduous. And at least they're out collecting for a good cause. I know a lot more non-cheeky people who talk a good game about charity and do little but sound out other people about their own morals. I'll take the chuggers.
They'll probably still think you're a dick if you're shutting the door without hearing them out for at least a minute or two. You could argue they'd rather not have their time wasted, but it must get pretty disheartening to have door after door closed in your face without even getting to practice your sales pitch.
If they say hi there, introduce themselves to be from a charity and ask if i have time to talk, that's...okay...10 seconds getting to a no thank you.
If they start their patter unprompted, I'll interrupt. And that adds about 5 seconds.
Pretty sure the episode of 24 i've got on back in the sitting room can wait.
upthread. They've got a name badge. Clock their name, ring the charity who they're fundraising for... and they'll take your complaint very seriously.
But, yeah, in general all these people are doing is trying to raise money for charity. How AWFUL...
I spent a day with some door to door 'charity' workers - they were sales people, paid based on targets, did not care about the cause, lied about aspects of the charity to improve the chance of a sale, and were targeting vulnerable people, and I guarantee you that this form is WAY more common than the 'I'm raising money for charity' people.
I used to work for a charity managing their entire programme of street fundraising. The agency that you used sounds like a rotten lot, but there's other agencies doing genuinely good, conscientous jobs.
And, yes, it IS a sales job driven by targets. I don't think anyone's claimed otherwise. All fundraising is! Doesn't mean that professional standards shouldn't be adhered to.
In my experience most folk who join specific fundraising agencies are jobbing actors who need to subsidise periods of `resting` and people who want a career in charities. There are some aggressive sales folk in the mix but they don't dominate the workforce.
and actually when in London I've found the street charity workers to be forceful, but relatively professional and pleasant.
I think it actually gets worse when you go out to less metropolitan places (the company I followed were doing work on an estate in greater Oxford) and am happy to agree that they are not necessarily the majority.
Also a year ago my girlfriend was sexually harassed by a street 'chugger' in Poole, so most of my stand out experiences with them have been very negative.
that's terrible about your girlfriend. Did she do anything about that (as in, complain to the charity/call the police etc.?)
which was very brave of her, then we called the police and she emailed and tweeted the charity to make sure they were aware.
The police said they were going to go down and have a word, then called back to say they had been moved on. We didn't see them again in the area so hopefully that was all followed through with properly, but it was the last we heard about it.
listening to what he had to say.
Don't really know what you're getting angry about tbh, although you do seem to have a tendency to imagine things and then try to sass them.
when we declined to chat to them (politely!) one of them did a face and said sth to the effect of "so you don't care about human rights then?"
Massive cunt, and I struggle not to feel badly about Amnesty now, even though I know that's ridiculous.
...who get tarred with the same brush as shit ones like this one you encountered. It's a shame.
it's the idiots that ring out loudest across the street too.
because someone made a face at you, once. I don't think it's me that needs a hug.
bring it in, big man. what's bothering you?
It's just this thread, tbf tbh. That and I'm trying to come off coffee.
because it's the kind of shit fucking job that you are forced to get right out of uni or college these days, point of contact minimum wage stuff which is maybe even worse than call centring because you're in the rain and on your feet for most of the day. Then as said above there are actually volunteers who are quite knowledgeable and passionate about what they're pitching who everyone lumps in with the agency lot. That commission thing is almost always bollocks and you shouldn't try getting on your high horse about that with any of them.
The ones who still carry on after you explain you are a student or unemployed or already donating can fuck right off though. "But you look like one of the nice ones!" one cried after me last week. Show how much you can tell by looks mate, I'm a total cunt.
centre citing a recent local example of someone microwaving a cat as good reason for me to start donating to them (the animal charity not the cat hating microwave user). I said I'd look on their website before making a decision.
When they come to your home. FWIW.
You make me wanna throw my pager out the window
tell MCI to cut the phone calls
break my lease so i can move
cause you a chug a boo, a chug a boo
i wanna put your number on the call block
have AOL make my emails stop
cause you a chug a boo
you chuggin what? you chuggin who? you chuggin me!
and dont you see it aint cool
its not hot that you be callin me
stressin me pagin my beeper
you're just non-stop and its not hot
that you be leavin me messages every 10 minutes and then you stop by
when i first met you, you were cool
but it was game you had me fooled
cause 20 minutes after i gave you my number
you already had my mailbox full
so what you bought a pair of shoes
what now i guess you think i owe you
you dont have to call as much as you do
i'd give em back to be through with you
and so what my momma likes you
what now i guess you think i will too
even if the pope he said he likes you too
i dont really care cause you're a chug a boo
[repeat 1 (with addlibs)]
its not hot that when in blockin your phone number
you call me from over your best friends house
and its not hot that i cant even go out with my girlfriends
without you trackin me down
you need to chill out with that mess
cause you cant keep havin me stressed
cause everytime my phone rings it seems to be you
and im prayin that it is someone else
when you call me on the phone you're chuggin me
when you follow me around you're chuggin me
everything you do be chuggin me
you chuggin me, you chuggin me
when you show up at my door you're chuggin me
when you open up your mouth you're chuggin me
everytime i see your face you're chuggin me
you're chuggin me your chuggin me
The only time I've ever been rude to one of them is when a guy stopped me in the street as I was rushing to get a bus and wouldn't take "I'm rushing to get a bus right" for answer (I suppose they probably hear that 50 times a day). The rest of the time there's no real need.
and my bf stared reeling off all these facts about the woodland area behind our house and where our street got it's name from.
Turns out a lady from a wildlife charity had stopped by and they'd had a great chat, she'd left us some literature to have a think about signing up and she'd be back tomorrow evening for feedback.
We decided we wouldn't sign up but my bf was going to hide when she came back because he said he couldn't face her and I was going to break the news, I'll tell her straight I thought, I don't give a shit.
Answered the door to a lady with the kindest face you've ever seen and it just dropped when I said I don't think we're going to go for it... she just went really quiet and looked at me for ages it was so uncomfortable I had to say,' sorry just explain to me what it is again', she perked right up and before I knew I was scrambling around the house looking for my purse to get my cc much to my bf's amusement.
at Glastonbury because the girl who stopped me was so good looking.
There we were in the Green Fields, a beautiful sunny afternoon, chatting away about all sorts, getting on great, then WHAM! that direct debit form's been completed and she's fucked right off. A total pro.
listened to her schtick and signed up to whatever shit it was, including 5 mins giving my bank details over the phone, then I said my goodbyes and walked straight to the bank where I explained what had happened and they cancelled the incoming request.
See, it's easily resolved
its quite an amusing anecdote, but all you've actually done is waste 10 minutes of someone's time who's being paid to represent a charity. it will also mean that the value the charity is getting from the agency decreases because they tend to pay per sign up (expecting x sign-ups, of y-value, to last an average of z-years) and you helping this hottie out by signing up with her will actually just fall into the attrition bracket (what they called it when i did this a long time ago).
this kinda shit is inevitable when some chuggers trade on good looks (also inevitable, its a successful strategy), but the double standards over the whole thing are ridiculous. chuggers are demonised for their bad behaviour and intrusive tactics, but almost constantly have shit figuratively flung at them by a public who think its acceptable to behave terribly because some 'cheeky' youngster's had the gall to approach them on behalf of a charity and interrupt their day.
its a flawed system and one that doesn't really have a solution if you ask me, but cocodalol and some others up-thread have it right: just say no politely and firmly. if you can't handle them having one or two quips as you walk away then thats pretty weak tbh. some people do it really badly, others do it really well. i think chuggers being dreadful is a neat way of people avoiding engaging with this stuff (and by extension paying out). people should behave how they want, and give to who they want, but the occasionally rude chugger doesn't justify shitty behaviour and an offhand dismissal of the whole debate (over fundraising, and over specific charities).
but she was real purdy-like
chug means wank btw