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I mean obviously Russia's stance on things is far from acceptable, but there just seems to be a little *too* much pro-gay stuff around at the minute, given the amount of people the issue actually affects.
Literally every panel show, every radio DJ, every news bulletin, every magazine, every newspaper, every website, everyone running social media accounts has been "poking fun" at the Russians, at all hours of the day. Even BrewDog are getting in on the act.
*DISCLAIMER*: I'm not a homophobe, one of my relatives is gay and he had a really hard time coming out, to the point where it seriously affected both his physical and mental health, so I understand that there needs to be a stand against homophobia. Just think there might actually be a bit of overkill, and people will get sick of hearing about it.
but are you saying that you are concerned it could make people more homophobic? or are you saying it's not worth the amount of effort campaigners/social media users/whatever are putting into it? or could you be just a homophobe closeted even to yourself? (not a jibe we all have instinctual prejudices)
but I'm constantly being bombarded by all these pro-gay messages every minute of the day, and it feels like I'm being told what to think - almost as if there's some deep-down anti-Russia propaganda at play.
Every time I see one of these vaguely humourous pro-gay/anti Russia things I get the same nauseating feeling I do when I see a comic relief sketch or a KONY2012 poster - that there's something more sinister lurking underneath, some sort of elitism at play.
1) I'm not the only one thinking it's a bit much, I've started to notice a few people on Facebook/Twitter (quite literally) posting things like "i dont mind gays u love who u love but sick of hearing bout it every day". I don't really think it's a divisive issue any more, and those who oppose homosexuality in the UK are certainly in the minority, which brings me to your next question..
2) There are any number of social prejudices throughout the UK which affect a marginally larger cross-section of society than gay rights in Russia, all of which could do with highlighting further - discrimination against the poor, the bedroom tax, rights for separated fathers, the list is near-endless. So while I'm not strictly saying the effort anti-gay campaigners are putting in is a bad thing, I think there a lot of equally important prejudices that need to be tackled that haven't necessarily been given the platform.
3) I wouldn't like to think so, no. I've seen how homophobia affected a relative of mine - non-acceptance and flat-out denial of his sexuality by his immediate family led him to live a 'closeted' lifestyle, and the dangers of discretely hooking up anonymously with others in the same boat led to him being seriously assaulted, becoming an alcoholic and going through a nervous breakdown. There's really no need for that in this day and age.
But I disagree with the 'equally important' classification for the other rights you mentioned. The ones you mentioned are all situational whereas sexuality appears to be a birth state. So in my eyes its up there with racism in the top 2 prejudices.
I think the Russia thing is big news because it is big news - people are going to talk about it because its a chance to get on the soapbox about something important - discussion is vital for a subject to be properly understood, and we have a lot of people in the world that are still uneducated on such matters.
But if we're going to give them clout, I'd say incidences of depression/substance abuse/self-harm etc. are probably just as high amongst the poor/separated fathers. There's also the argument that both are caused by birth state (you only have to look at the lack of social mobility with regard to those born into poverty. As for separated fathers, obviously the birth of a child creates the situation).
I think my main gripe with the Russia thing is that it definitely seems to have been pigybacked to become a sleight on the entire country for political purposes by certain sectors.
in the sense of the harm that prejudices can deal out to people, the effects that they have can be equally devastating, so I agree on that.
But I do think you can rank racism and homophobia on a higher (lower?) plane. Social mobility, while poor in this country IS possible in some circumstances - people born into extreme poverty can drag themselves out of it if the pieces fit together, separated fathers or bedroom tax payers are unlikely to be in their situations for the rest of their lives - society shifts and people find themselves in different places.
But, inherent traits like gender, sexuality, race etc. are the core of a human being and cannot ever be changed. While we may be a passenger of the situational prejudices that we may encounter at times in our lives we are perpetual passengers to the traits that make us up. So I think the victimisation/demonisation of these traits is a deeper and more despicable act of prejudice than the situational ones.
I dont know what to say about promoting awareness of other 'unseen' prejudices though, guess there isn't that much said about a lot of stuff
Obviously with regard to "separated fathers or bedroom tax payers are unlikely to be in their situations for the rest of their lives - society shifts" I still think it's important that people do actively campaign and lobby on behalf of them in order to move further towards that societal shift (much like pro-gay campaigners have), even if they aren't inherent traits like race/sexuality.
I'm not suggesting there's some sinister plan to turn us all gay.
the other day. Perhaps there is a sinister plan afoot
That's really awful what happened to your relative and I'm sorry to hear about it.
1) don't really care whether you're alone or not, and we'll have to agree to disagree that it's not a divisive issue. there are loads of places in our society where it's not easy to be openly gay. Even more in the wider world obvs - that's what this is about but it also helps us examine ourselves.
2) I agree there are other important issues - absolutely. But that's not how campaigning works - it's up to the people who feel passionately about those things to make something of it. It's not up to people who are passionate about gay rights to weigh up how much everything matters and campaign proportionally.
3) I totally take your word for it on this one, but I don't think the experience precludes you from potential prejudice. I was once really really stoned and paranoid (had a pretty major problem with this at the time tbf) and it was just after 9/11 and I was walking past a petrol station and there was two Islamic guys standing on the forecourt chatting with no cars anywhere. I suddenly and obviously irrationally shit myself that they were going to blow it up and literally legged it. That's very silly obviously but it also uncovers the fact that I have or at the least had racial prejudices lurking in my subconscious. but anyway I'm not trying to argue that you do - like I said I take your word for it.
This is a completely off-the-cuff, stream-of-consciousness thought which may contain traces of tin-foil hattery, anyways..
I agree with what you say about people having to be proactive when it comes to campaigning about causes they believe in, but would you agree to a certain degree that the gay rights movement gets given a larger platform by the government/in the media because homosexuality doesn't really affect anyone either way? Whereas objection to the bedroom tax paints the government in a very negative light, or campaigning for an overhaul of the way separated parents contribute access their children would ultimately lead to a shake-up of the Child Maintenance system, further costing the government more in benefits for single parents.
Like I say, this is spur of the moment thinking, but you only need to look at how both groups have been portrayed in the media (negative coverage of the poor in Channel 4's Benefits Street, and negative coverage of Fathers4Justice in the tabloids), whereas the government will be quite happy to condone gay marriage because it doesn't really affect them, and furthermore serves to paint them in a positive, progressive light.
I don't necessarily agree gay rights gets a bigger platform than wealth/class inequality. I mean one of the two dominant parties in our system exists almost solely to address this issue (whether it's any good at it or not) and one of the few defining reasons for having politics at all is to find a balanced resolution of it.
But yeah there is definitely a consensus on gay rights and I agree that it is easier to achieve one because it doesn't threaten the vested interests of the wealthy.
I've mentioned the rights of separated parents so frequently in this thread because I genuinely believe it to be one of the most swept-under-the-rug examples of inequality in modern society, and it's one which is incredibly pervasive amongst those in poverty - almost like a get-out clause - both for the woman struggling to find work and the government struggling to support her.
A woman can have intercourse and become pregnant without the consent of a man. I'm not going to make any "if it were the other way round it'd be called..." comparisons because let's face it, it's not the same.
However, it is possible for a woman to tell a man that she is using a contraceptive, only to purposely become pregnant, give birth and then deny the father the right to see his child (men are not automatically granted parental responsibility). At the same time, the woman can then claim Child Maintenance (sometimes 40% of the father's income), on top of any housing benefit/child benefit/income support they are in receipt of. In the absence of legal aid, this leaves a lot of separated fathers ultimately paying almost half of their income to a woman who has given birth to a child which they will never see, or will at least face difficulty in doing so.
This of course leads to immense frustration, manifested in a brutally British way - figures show that separated fathers are more likely to engage in alcohol-related violence at the weekend. Wild Beasts wrote a song about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5XmBVFulU
To the point you were banned, as sheeeeeit, to concern trolling against the gay agenda as flukeman. That didn't take long!
And you've managed to tie some MRA stuff into it as well!
You're obsessed with trolls. Trolly troll trolls. Go watch Troll Hunter, but a job lot of troll dolls, go read Thee Billy Goats Gruff, just get it out of your system, have a nice lie down, and come back all refreshed.
It's like a formula for you now
The Greek athletes are wearing rainbow gloves, the C4 thing, the Canadian thing in the OP, they're all just jumping on a bandwagon. It's too easy just to have some colourful adornments. Until I see some hardcore cock on bumhole action live from two athletes, presenters or high ranking international diplomats in Sochi, they're all blatantly sickening homophobes.
As I type Google Chrome is highlighting homophobes as a spelling error. Disgusting.