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Was Mata actually poo last night or was it just general United(!) whinging?
Has anyone been saying he was poo? I'll fight them.
Made the first goal with a great cross-field pass that even Ashley Young couldn't fail to do something with and was generally good in possession. Didn't set the world on fire but for a player who's been with the squad for two days he was fine.
when you were already 1-0 up, at home to some relegation strugglers.
Mata's going to be excellent for you, it sucks.
Cardiff dominated possession for large spells of the second half.
Mata was fine though and will turn out brilliantly
Looked like he played ok though.
Wednesday "Let's go take up golf instead maaaaaaan" Football Thread
Arsenal's injury/suspension crisis deepens as they see out an unconvincing draw with Southampton. Season-falling-apart aficionados break out the napkins. Ole Cardiff roll over and let Mata "inspired" United tickle their bellies. Hull, Norwich and Fulham continue to sink.
Chelsea secure a regulation three points tonight. John Guidetti may fucking kill someone if he doesn't play against Sunderland. City can go top if they beat Spurs, but that seems fairly unlikely, idk, Adebayor in form, hot streak, happy with a point tbh.
Post an identical football thread NOW.
drawing to Newcastle and remaining in 12th isn't sinking. Give me a break I don't have much to work with here
more the performance, from what my Newcastle supporting friends are saying. They're utterly disgusted that not only did they not get three points from it but Remy is suspended for the derby this weekend thanks to Bradley Johnson conning the ref.
watching us is so depressing at the moment (though it could be worse, see: West Ham, Cardiff etc.). But still, we DID get away with it and though we should be playing better it's a decent result for us going into Cardiff away on Saturday
I genuinely can't believe a Flanagan-Francois-Squirtle-Cissokho back 4 kept a clean sheet.
He's like a Yaya Toure built out of rubber foam.
I shit you not, he said:
`Cissokho reminds me of this lad I used to play with at Liverpool called Djimi Traore`
Don't think a fellow pro has ever said anything crueller.
Cissokho is shit but the problem is we're not blessed with talent in that area.
(Which is probably how Arsenal fans saw Eboue all along)
And that's Champions League winner Djimi Traore to you Owen, you permabeige waste of skin.
tweeted a picture at Owen of super Djimi kissing the Champions League trophy. That was nice.
I dislike Michael Owen with a worrying intensity.
It gets worse every time I have to listen to his shit nasal voice offering up nothing more than someone who has only watched football once before could.
when I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_UEFA_Cup_Final
I have literally no memory of this, and yet all records seem to suggest it was the greatest UEFA cup final in recent times. Must be cuz Owen didn't score in it.
I remember the 2-1 FA Cup match vs Arsenal that year like it was yesterday, how the hell have I forgotten this then?
Sticks in my memory as being one of the most exciting I've ever watched.
The game where he was subbed off and everyone booed him and he started crying is one of the saddest things I've ever seen (aside from smokers outside the hospital doors).
and lukaku going off injured helped a lot.
loved it at one point in the 2nd half i think, where liverpool broke quickly and skirtle was bombing forward
Collected possession, found his man, advanced goalscoring opportunities. Did this with an over 85% success rate. Not sure what more a midfielder is supposed to do than that...
Cracking scenes at Anfield last night. Everton were strangely reminiscent of how I remember Wigan. Martinez has been getting a lot of plaudits for his work at Everton but maybe all he's done is inherited Moyes's well-drilled defence and enhanced the team with short-term attacking talent.
They'll struggle next year if he doesn't keep the defence tight (a la how he organised Wigan).
Everton have some very good players in defence and attack, not sure a one-off shoeing in a derby is a sign of impending doom.
If they can't adequately replace their loan stars next season however...
A one-off shoeing in a derby where they were missing key players and managed to comically take out their best attacking option themselves.
They've been pretty impressive the other times I've seen them this season so shouldn't extrapolate too much from one match. But they DID remind me of Wigan, leaving gaping holes at the back etc...
Gerrard had his first decent game in that holding role though. Good to see.
Can't really blame him- he's a kid and has to learn the hard way. Think Everton signed him last January, so not a Martinez pick, anyway.
Alcaraz, though ... Not even for free.
Bad day at the office for 'em. Probably nothing more than that in fairness.
Always strikes me as a profoundly gutless act raiding your old club for players, and neither Alcaraz nor Kone are top half Premier League standard in a month of Sundays- indeed Alcaraz is such a strange buy I suspect there's some agent back room business at play there. McCarthy is a competent midfielder but 12 million for him isn't exactly amazing business either. That leaves his three loan deals, one of whom has declined markedly as he's been steadily run into the ground.
I'll give him conning United out of 28 million, but even there he can't claim much credit away from Woodward for that.
"a one-off shoeing in a derby" is a very big deal for Everton. It's the biggest game of their season. It WAS the biggest game of both our seasons so far. Both sides were missing key players.
The difference told in the fact our team minus about 4 starters absolutely humiliated their team minus about 4 starters. If you don't think that means anything in the long run then I think you're being a bit optimistic for them.
I don't think this is just a knee-jerk reaction after his exceedingly shit display last night either. I understand the importance of his role in the team. I think he's meant to be our Carrick type. When he was at his best he could dictate play whilst stabilising us defensively. Just seen none of that in recent games. Also, more often than not he just seems to bottle it in big games/holding out a win in the last few minutes. This is a fairly consistent occurrence rather than just this season.
Really think that he is the weakest link in a full strength Arsenal side. Will totally forgive him if he scores a penalty from a ref's dodgy decision in the upcoming games though.
but ultimately it would be nice to see a Ramsey - Wilshere partnership with them taking it turns to go forward.
Arteta's great at sitting deep (heatmap.gif) and helping play it out of defence so the full backs can push on (in some games it ends up looking like a back three in triangle formation), but he definitely slows play down. The Ramsey - Flamini duo early in the season was great, because Flam ran round breaking things up, and Ramsey could get forward. Arteta - Flamini is too defensive and too flat, should be one or the other, but I suppose injuries dictated the selection more than anything.
But I'm guessing I probably will.
i dont think he's shit at all, but we dont need two holding midfielders.
we need ramsey back, very quickly.
or Gideon Nebuchadnezzar Zelalem III, who is 16 years old.
It's weird really, because Arteta was an attacking midfielder for most of his career, he can't have completely forgotten what to do.
he was never the fastest man alive anyway.
but can't risk his toupee falling off.
Was Ox really all that bad at Coventry. I didn't notice it too much.
Yesterday everyone was awful in the first half.
Did it improve in the second? My dodgy stream went off and didn't come back until the 78th minute.
I hoped we would demolish Everton and knock them out of the race for Europe.
I reckon we might have done it. Ok, they helped themselves do it by breaking their only truly brilliant attacking player in Lukaku, but that performance exposed Everton for what they really are – a very average squad punching above their weight due to one or two excellent players. The fact they replaced Lukaku with NAISMITH speaks volumes. Stones and Alcaraz were hilarious, and Coutinho picked a great time to come good and take the piss out of Gareth Barry for 90 minutes.
What’s also great is that we’re the first team to comprehensively spank them in absolutely ages. Even under Moyes when they’d roll over, we could only really get one or two. “Are you Moyesey in disguise?” was probably a bit harsh on him in that respect.
Felt bad that Stirling conned a booking out of him but he'd been warned a few times before that...
it was for persistent fouling.
What's your point?
the referee actually pointed out four tackles across the pitch when he booked him - many referees would have only allowed for three in the first place.
"a very average squad punching above their weight due to one or two excellent players."
Elite, charismatic big units (i.e. ones with lots of hair) like Fellaini and Carroll are great value to watch and we've been deprived of them this year. There's been a vacuum filled with lesser, more boring (i.e. short-haired) big units this season.
Hoping he gets some time against Stoke to get booked for just existing whilst their horrible bastards get away scott-free with consistent nasty challenges
Not got any competition.
Just moved into lesser BU status, god punishes him
Kostas Mitrogiou (Olympiakos) to Fulham or Arsenal [8/1]
Jonas (Valencia) to West Brom [12/1]
Dani Osvaldo (Southampton) to Juventus [4/1]
Danny Ings (Burnley) to West Brom [7/2]
Michael Ciani (Lazio) to Norwich [8/1]
Tom Ince (Blackpool) to Stoke, Liverpool, Cardiff, Swansea, Hull or Sunderland [8/11]
Lewis Holtby (Spurs) to Borussia Dortmund [5/4]
Nicolas Otamendi (Porto) to Chelsea, Man Utd or Man City [33/1]
John Heitinga (Everton) to Galatasaray [100/1]
Joao Cancelo (Benfica) to Man City [40/1]
Jordon Ibe (Liverpool) to Hearts [12/1]
Yevhen Konoplyanka (Dnipro) to Liverpool [1/2]
Demba Ba (Chelsea) to Arsenal [2/1]
Jerome Boateng (Bayern Muncih) to Arsenal [25/1]
Arsene would never buy a player off Chelsea mid-season because that's unfair to the league and makes the purchaser worse than being a serial-murdering rapist
He told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show on TalkSport: "Demba Ba would be perfect for Arsenal" so it must be true (and the odds are actual odds from Skybet, not something I've just made up).
Redknapp has booked himself into a spa for a relaxation day and to purify his soul before he unleashes himself on the transfer day in a couple of days.
Fernandes has said that we want one or two in. And Austin has a bit of a knock. So we're going full throttle after a striker then.
You've had QPR rumours up this season. Shameful stuff Hoogmeister General
But if you insist:
Adel Taarabt (QPR) to AC Milan [100/1]
I cannot comprehend it. Fulham are swapping him with AC Milan for some centre back. But, he's on loan from QPR so I can't quite work out how that works?
I think Italian clubs think it's fine as they appear to regularly loan players in then loan them out even when they don't own them.
Also - the last thing Taarabt needs is to actually move to a big club. His fat head ego will become ridiculous. I wish him well, but can't see it working.
Think he's my favourite player of all time. Him or Matthew Rose.
And Belfodil is a Richard Dunne deal. That'll be it
An absolute giant who can run really fast and appears to be a hard-worker of a striker - yet can score goals - appears absolutely made for the Championship.
He's going to turn out to be bollocks isn't he?
looks about 12 years old
French, 29 years old, played at Bordeaux previously.
Experienced, tall, strong, scores the occasional header, but might be a bit slow for the Premier League.
I wanted them to win until it started irritating me so much that I thought I would endorse Arsenal's inevitable season collapse starting one fixture later
Batten down the hatches, this is not a drill, this is the real thing
Couldn't be further from the truth. Lovely hit.
I played five-a-side instead and got a dead leg from my own team mate.
Heard BAE played right back and was pretty crap at it.
Also - Andy Johnson pouring out the 'keepers water is now becoming a thing that fans are watching out for. He does it in every match I've ever watched him play. Bants.
Austin has a shoulder injury apparently. We're fucked if he's genuinely unable to play.
forgot he existed.
It appeared he had dislocated his shoulder. Being Charlie Austin, he ran it off and scored. What a man
Don't make the mistake of following him on twitter though.
Standard footballer banging on about Nando's and Celebrity Big Brother
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhF0uv4Gvkg (out of date)
if a Mark Hughes-managed Stoke went down.
They hate the Europa League with such a passion that we'll probably be seeing an all Ameobi CB partnership by Feb.
Can't remember if we've done this one before, but you know how a player can get booked for persistant fouling? Would be good if teams could get punished for persistent fouling, ie when they're taking it in turns to foul one opposition player. Maybe pin it on the manager and send him to the stands.
they deserve to get away with it.
Really I'm only saying that because it's always funny listening to Arsenal fans complain about it and demand tougher action against teams that have the temerity to stop them playing, in a game one of their players got sent off for a two footed lunge no less.
(Arsenal didn't have any players playing well enough to be worthy of targetting)
Or even both.
but never believed it to be true. Saw LLB afterwards and was like wtf m8
Sounds like the guy hasn't had much luck since retiring: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jan/29/jorge-cadete-portugal-celtic-state-benefits
- His transfer being delayed by the SFA, basically just to fuck over Celtic (Parkhead paranoia, etc)
- Watching him come on as a sub to make his debut against Aberdeen. It was an evening game on TV, I was probably 10 or 11, he scored (I think it was the 5th in a 5-0 win). Celtic were on the road back from the wilderness years, it was such an exciting time to be a supporter. I distinctly remember the Tommy Burns chant just before Cadete was brought on.
- Cadete scoring a header against Rangers, being very obviously onside, and the linesman flagging to disallow it (just to fuck Celtic over, paranoia, etc)
He left in acrimonious circumstances that I don't really remember, but hope the guy gets back on his feet.
not a surprise when we have two strikers, one with a dislocated shoulder and the other 'injured' ahead of a move to Wolves.
He was really really shit for QPR.
Quite liked his pudgy little face though.
great bants. lovely bants. just really fantastic bants.
'let's all go to Nando's!' when Adnan had the ball though. Splendid stuff.
wasn't just the draw. I was kind of fine with us drawing. But flamini's 3-game suspension, wilshere's unspecified ankle injury and ramsey's at-least-3-week injury really, really suck. Also i think arteta's had very good games this season, but he was shite yesterday. 80% to blame for their second goal.
Basically if wilshere's not ok soon and arteta doesn't stop being shit we're really, really fucked in february. Would also prefer zelalem to chamberlain at cm against palace, which is gonna have to be an actual choice wenger's actually gonna have to make.
you only have to beat sunderland, leicester et al to do it.
We exited quietly in the third round to Kenwyne Jones and Charlie Adam, so that we could quickly get back to dominating the Championship
and still got a draw. could have won. neither was deserved. still think we will do something. CITEHHHHH looked bang average against them, but we'll ignore the chelski results
Arsenal's chances of winning the league are the same today as they were yesterday. By Sunday night they'll be top again, and that might even extend to Tuesday or a week or two beyond, before February really kicks in.
I don't think Arsenal will win the league, and I've never felt that they would or even could, whatever 'could' means in this context. It's almost impossible for even the harshest critic to not think that they've had and will continue to have a good season though. Even if (when) their challenge collapses over the next few weeks, that'll be huge progress.
73 points last year, 70 the year before, and 68 the year before that. They'd end up just shy of 86 if their form over this season so far continued. It won't, obviously, but I'd still wager they'll be close to hitting the 80 point mark. Think that would be fairly significant, if not HUGE.
and dropped points all over the place?
If chelsea and city turn it on for the rest of the season then there's obviously nothing we can do really. But if they are a bit below par for only a few games each then i genuinely thought we had a chance of nipping in there.
The only fixture we have left where I'd say we don't have a good/fair chance of a win is at yours. Given where we are in the table, to me that by definition means we could challenge. However, if ramsey and possibly wilshere are injured and flamini suspended for one of the two most important periods of our season, then surely you can see how much that'll reduce the odds of that happening.
(also I don't see the point in being a football club supporter if you're not optimistic most of the time. I think/feel we can win the title cos what's the point in supporting a club in our position if i didn't)
Do you have some kind of blame calculator?
7% goes to sagna for not dealing with the long ball particularly well, 13% to mertesacker for letting rodriguez's pass through his legs
No arguments here.
I'd take 3 percent of Arteta and apportion a little blame to him.
100% the ref
-40% mertesacker for getting wrongly called out for a good tackle
difficult to see it being anything other than about 4-0, can't see anyway in which city will be able to contain them.
You guys seem to like being attacking and forgetting how to defend, and so do City.
He seems like a great bunch of lad.
Chelsea fan fights back the tears to sing a Mata tribute song
Can be annoyingly affecting when people do genuine Dawson crying.jpg videos. There was a Drogba one set to Someone Like You by Adele that was just too much for me when he left.
when asked about potential transfers in the post-match interview.
(Can a right back please be involved. Carl Jenkinson is the worst)
Robbie Savage thinks Spurs should just stick everyone up front tonight:
"Tottenham obviously have better players than Watford"
what a total cunt
yeah, I wouldn't do that, Ian.
this would be game over already
cant be much better than bt tbh
he's subtly compared himself to aguero a couple of times. the arse.
But it's not just him - the both of them are AWFUL cuntz
he could bore us for hours on that
what a ball in by eriksson.
very odd decision
Never a pen
Never a red
Was a good tackle from Rose
Gonna be 7-0 now
Was that the same linesman that flagged for Dawson's perfectly good goal?
jaunty angle too.
across home and away premier league games in a season is. city 9-0 up now, could get close to it
Maybe City too
this is definitely the funniest
Just ahead of Silva.
is an intentional hand ball not a yellow card? regardless of whether it goes in or not, like
anyone watching that one?
crossing to nobody.
didn't think Chelsea would be the team to fuck the acca, but worth it to see them drop 2 points
in which the phrase 'on another day/night he might have had a hat-trick' is used in reference to Dzeko.
his minutes:goals ratio is one of the all-time best in the Prem. So imagine how good he'd be of he didn't shank so many!
Chelsea have had 29 shots and West Ham have had 1.
7 on target..
...and he just ghosts into the box there"
Fuck off Michael Owen
sorry but :'D
dzeko remaining wasteful and prolific. he's wastific
owen telling us how players like to get stuck in. you've literally never tackled anyone
top of the league with chelsea dropping points. a pretty good night.
congratulating the referee, calling chelsea desperate.
read that apparently mourinho told him that west ham play "19th century football".
Spurs sold Caulker and retained Dawson last summer. Mindboggling.
I hate Hughes but I liked him trolling the fuck out of Guidetti by bringing him on in the 91st minute.
with aguero, dzeko and yaya all scoring.
and i've never seen an idiotic bookie
City were 1.91 to win. Aguero and Yaya both to score was 9/1. Dzeko was 3.something to score anytime. Over 2.5 was 1.53. City to score 3+ was over 4/1. There are ways to make money.
we've beaten Spurs twice at White Hart Lane this season and taken a rare point at Stamford Bridge.
Watch out Arsenal!
– tim sherwood on man city
attempts off target: edin dzeko
I want it to become the standard for any football thread protestations of any sort.
so Kevin Nolan generously offered to go off instead.
Very selfless of such a finely-honed athlete to take an unnecessary rest like that, you know.
"chelsea had a million shots and *I think* that's the most any team have had in 10 years without scoring.
no gary, you didn't think. someone told you. you don't have the shot statistics from 7000 matches whizzing about your head
him chasing down a high bouncing long ball and popping it over the keeper.
apart from that good one he scored
one of the few ex bantams i have turned my back on.
(i'm a few minutes behind on motd)
analysing mata's performance :D