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anyone who has felt like they're going to start crying on a bus on a tuesday morning will agree.
the environment it's taken in
who it's taken with
what other drinks/substances are taken with it
what tasks the ingestee is expected to perform during and after its ingestion
and so on
there are combinations of these factors that would make it harmless and there are combinations that would make it extremely harmful ...like pretty much most human activities
Comedowns are fucking awful and ive bitten my mouth to SHREDS in the past.
That said, ive done many a multi-day drug binge in the past and it aint never not made me badded up
Monday/Tuesday downer aside. What comes up must come down and all that. Like any drug, prolonged use isn't going to do anybody any favours.
I'd be interested to know where people actually procure ecstasy these days, given that they don't make it any more. I'd imagine the majority of todays 'pills' are a mixture of red bull, plant food and pigs eyes and arseholes.
who doesn't make it anymore?
pretty sure i'd just kill myself at the hint of a comedown
Whenever I've had it it's been an almost immediate transition from 'top of the world' to 'back to the shit reality of life' never a gradual thing at all
Like most things which are fun there are going to be risks.
There's also been some evidence which suggests that ecstasy use may cause memory impairments.
didn't see that down there vvv
I read somewhere that there's been evidence which suggests that ecstasy use may cause memory impairments.
can't remember when or where though
Alcohol, cannabis and many licensed prescription drugs.
Agreed that it's not harmless. Very little is if it's abused.
Wish I'd read thread properly
but in my experience I usually feel better than if I'd had 8 odd pints. Not really the equivalent mind, but you see what I mean.
There's some list somewhere of substances tallied up based on their affect on a person, their social lives and family etc. Think alcohol is like, fourth worst behind heroin, cocaine and another - probably meth. Think ecstacy and weed were fairly low down. Think that 'drug tsar' bloke who got booted out of a government advisory committee was involved in drawing up the list.
not in that study (2010)
no iboga/ibogaine or ayahuasca either - I guess the sample size wouldn't have been large enough
'well, if you're offering..'
'not since yewtree'
GURN like an idiot.
tell people you hate that you love them, completely destroying months of passive aggression.
messes with your brain chemicals, not good if you're prone to depression.
never really know what's been mixed into it
Of any unlicensed substance. But yes, unpredictable. Advice is only to ever take a third/half at a time and build from there once you're satisfied it's ok. You can always put more in but onxe ingested you're kind of stuck with it.
It's just occurred to me that I wouldn't even know how to get e these days, and indeed for some years now. Getting old I guess.
Just found a cheeky wee hauf pill in my johnny pocket
Am I missing out?
just like bananas too.
Or harmless to society in general?
I have heard conflicting reports.
Ecstasy generally refers to pills made of MDMA, but more often than not they're cut with god knows what else (not that buying a bag of MDMA means you're getting pure MDMA, but it's easier to tell if it's been cut with other stuff).
Fair enough. Was just wondering, as MDMA seems to be all over the place at the moment (at least as far as people I know go - I'll occasionally have a line if someone else has it and I've not got anything on the next day), yet I don't think I've ever seen anyone take an ecstasy pill, so just wanted know if its a different kind of thing really.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is diluded.
I'm not saying they're corrosive for society, or shouldn't be taken in moderation, or everyone will be an addict or whatever, but all drugs are bad. Including booze and fags.
By they're very nature they tinker about in the old noggin or heart or adrenal glands or whatever. Also, just as an important issue is all the crap you take with cut coke or squidgy / solid or fucking bizarre tablets that isn't the actual drug. Makes them even worse.
Hey man, everyone is free to do it but drugs are unhealthy, period.
nanny-state misinformation that gives drugs a bad rep.
but seriously, obviously stuff that alters your state for it's own sake can be bad for you. It's stupidly over the top to call such a stance puritanical. To judge someone morally for taking drugs is stupid, but to think they aren't totally harmless isn't. I don't give a shit about people taking drugs as long as they're never as aggressively marketed and normalised in our culture as alcohol is. But it's ridiculous to deny that they're unhealthy. Eating salt is unhealthy, but I don't think that we're living in some sort of nanny-state nightmare just because less salt tends to be used in supermarket products (ready meals etc) than 20 years ago.
so you're saying they should only be taken in extreme amounts?
I can get behind that.