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They're a bit silly aren't they?
Has anbody on here decided not to get one and successfully evaded detection?
and did it this morning.
If you don't, fair enough.
But also agree with fidel on their collectoin methods.
If you don't let the capita people onto your property they can't prosecure you. they can apply for a search warrant but almost never do. Most prosecutions come to court because some dopey person lets them in or confesses.
I found a blog once where a dude was writing about his experiences with this. It's quite interesting: http://www.bbctvlicence.com/
Really interesting about the BBC buying up all them web similar domains, so he must be onto something.
I figure it's worth paying for the license but it could be less cost wise and global increasing their revenue and scope. Might lose some of the British twee-ness that way but this is worth foresaking? If NetFlix is the price it is I figure the Beeb should be around £8 a month with an easy opt in or indeed out.
I don't understand why you wouldn't (want to) pay for one if you want the BBC to continue existing.
never had a knock on the door about it. though tbh i agree with it, enjoy the BBC's output generally and feel like a bit of a shit for not having one. when i'm earning will get one immediately
My sister had cancelled it when she moved out. I'm not opposed to paying it, but I did wonder if it might just be a bit of sport seeing how long I could get away with it.
very reasonably priced.
as I know a lot about TV licences...
And I think they are by far the best funding option for our national broadcaster, flawed as both licence and broadcaster may be.
but fuck me if those stupid, disingenuous letters from the awful bastards they farm collection out to don't make me resent it.
are believed to be the most cost-efficient method of getting money out of the demographic where it's imagined the biggest difference could be- people who wait a while/forget before buying one when they move in and short-term tenants/students.
Basically what Plasticniki said up there, you fucking monster:
Not everyone is a mercenary arsehole, hellbent on making sure Sky succeed in their bid to destroy the BBC and give us wall-to-wall, "Some privileged guy advocated gross racism today: WHAT A DUDE!" type news reporting. ;-)
I can't remember the last time I watched the BBC (unless you count The Voice, the best programme ever.)
So it's no good justifying yourself to me. :D
In the scheme of money-saving ideas, though, we're probably talking a yearly cost less than half your mobile phone bill.
I meant your belief that people without TVs should pay too
(also, surely everybody has a tv these days.)
last year I didn't have a tv and they came to knock. It took great pleasure in telling them they couldn't come in - the way they imply they're authorised to come and poke round your house properly gives me the skeeves. Gross gross gross.
I said that I would buy a licence even if I didn't have a TV because I'd still be using their radio services, iPlayer and other stuff, and so I would feel morally obligated to pay for them.
Even though you don't require a licence to watch iPlayer it's also a rule that was set up when iPlayer wasn't significant to viewings so I'd guess it's probably something that will change.
also pls don't say butthurt
Oh really? That definitely wasn't the impression you gave on Twitter. Why were you getting besieged by the licence inspector guys if you've got a licence?
I bought one on New Year's Day.
Letter came through the door within two days, blah blah legal action etc. Properly bricked it and felt incredibly stupid for not having sorted the license immediately. Then I actually read the letter, realised it was dated December 2012 and was just the usual nonsense. Felt like a knob.
So technically you have me on being unlicensed for two days =D
Anyway, for 2.5 years you didn't have a TV but watched iPlayer and stuff, safely living within the bounds of what was legally correct. I was never accusing you of illegality, just behaviour I thought a little morally murky.
I didn't watch anything live, and therefore I dispute that my actions were "morally murky", as the BBC don't ask that you have a license for non-live content. But we've covered this at length alreay.
Legality isn't the same as morality, although we'd probably prefer they were.
Legality is about certainty and morality is too subjective.
But most of the to-ing and fro-ing about shit like paying less tax, etc. is down to people being appalled that the law isn't also morally correct by their standards. So, I think most people like to imagine the two are the same.
it's like feeling compelled to buy one of those cinnamon pretzels every time they shove the sample tray in your face.
I don't want a whole pretzel.
if you do try and evade (don't, idiotface) it's incredibly easy, as they have no right at all to enter your property, and no way of telling if you're using a tv.
Chances of being found out for licence evasion - slim as fuck.
but it's worth knowing that the collection agency spend 99.9% of their budget on scaremongering rather than detection.
there defintely used to be 2. Dunno nowadays.
You can even watch live iPlayer with no consequences.
the ads vaguely mention tracking people down, whilst showing v technical looking radar vans.
In reality the height of their technology is: a list of addresses that currently do not have a licence.
And I think their list is actually all addresses that once had a licence but don't any more, which is why you tend to get a lot of noise if you move into a new rented place and don't sort out a licence pretty quickly.
re: van. Letters and enforcement officers are the usual method, but sometime they'll stick a magnetic TVL logo on a white van and park it in an area of high evasion and let hearsay do it's thing.
worth not paying it just to see if they send round one of those detector vans with the whirly radar thing on the roof. Because that is obviously the way they catch non-payers
OH NO! IT'S THE TV DETECTOR MAN!
detector vans are a myth, inspectors have no right to enter your property, they can only convict you if they can prove you're watching telly without a license so as long as your TV isn't visible from a window or the front door there's fuck all they can do.
But nope, tv licenses aren't silly, no TV licenses no Radio 3, Radio 4, Radio 4 Extra, Radio 6 Music, BBC 4, vastly reduced BBC News esp. online presence, reduced content on BBC2, no arts coverage at all bar perhaps Jools Holland, probably an iPlayer paywall if they didn't want to go down the advertising route. I was gonna say 'no risk taking drama' but the BBC haven't taken any risks with drama for over 10 years. But basically we'd get more fan service, made for America bullshit like Doctor Who and Sherlock but worse.
I don't watch TV anymore.
then by the time they catch up with you and prosecute, the fine would probably be less than the years you've evaded.
Once they've done you once though, they'll keep at it.
Horrible little bastard cornered me just as I was having a dish fitted for Sky. Couldn't get away with that!
Successfully evaded them for five years at uni though and I don't see how they could ever enforce the rule that says every room had to have a licence. Our halls had 1700 rooms so they'd have made £235,000 just from one campus if everyone had one. The funny thing was that, when they sent threatening letters, they only bothered the guy in our flat who actually had a licence. The rest of us heard nothing! I guess the trick is to remain anonymous.
talk about bad timing! I wonder if these enfrcement cunts follow the sky vans around town then? That would be a genius tactic.
I'm pretty sure people have been able to win this one in court when they've been bothered.
There's absolutely no way you could ever prove that you don't watch BBC on Sky or that you don't go on the iplayer website.
i assume you've made a mistake
if you stream tv progammes on your computer though
there's piss all way they can prove this tho
Remember my friend who works for Sky told me
to receive a broadcast signal. You could be receiving only Polish TV. You'd still need a licence (I used to work for TV Licensing).
who USED to work for TV Licensing
I am RIGHT.
Does this make it any easier? Failing that have a read of the Communications Act 2003. Presuming your mate hasn't made any amendments to it.
And this person isnt just a 'Mate' they are also my lover so I know they shall never tell me a lie.
They call me up when it's time to renew now as for some reason they've got my number. I don't mind paying it though. The BBC is great.
didn't stop them sending us letters but we just ignored them and moved out anyway
...just got out of the habit of having one I guess. Part of that time I was actually working for The BBC where not paying your TV licence was supposedly considered gross misconduct/a sackable offence.
I eventually did actually get the knock on the door (I was living in a flat at the time so that is not necessarily protection in itself) and was most surprised at how easily the guy was fobbed off by my assertion that I didn't own a TV, especially as I clearly had the radio on in the background.
TV licences are fairly common in much of western Europe as far as I know, and I believe that in The UK we get much better value for money than other countries.
since you don't need own to won a tv and you only need it if you watch/steam live tv, so iplayer, BBC radio, website etc so can use without having to pay (although if you do use them it'd be nice to help pay for them).
But there isn't that facility either.
They really need to change things but probably the costs would be too great.
to the other commercially-run channels, but it's a fairly minimal amount of money so I don't really mind.
idk can't really be bothered tbh
Also can't really be bothered.
was at some point part-funded by licence fee money. I don't think anyone does at the moment but admit I am not 100% certain.
S4C will be getting funding from next year onwards and is arguably partly funded indirectly already as the BBC has a responsibility to provide some of S4C's programming free of charge (Pobol Y Cwm springs to mind).
the digital switchover was funded through top-slicing the licence fee, as were things like the ITV Player.
It should also be noted that every broadcaster (including the likes of Sky) benefits from the technological innovations and private contractor support that the BBC funds.
for retransmission fees.
Don't believe in giving money to a paedo ring that uses fear and intimidation to coerce people into funding it.
If an employee of Capita (working on commission) turns up at the door and you can't be arsed dealing with them, get your phone out and film them. It's funny how quickly they decide to fuck off when you do.
really starting to vcome around to him. Who is he anmyway? mere Pseude bag dude?
So when it says, I'm posting too quickly it doesn't stop me posting?
All I know is that she goes out with a troll / knows a troll really well and petitioned for him to be reinstated and then he had to be banned again. At the time wishpig told me she thought it was SHEEEEIIIIITTT but, yeah, could be any one of the other troll faces.
(not faps's bf though, unless i've majorly missed something.)
I think this means you should definitely do it?
I pay my TV licence which allows me access to BBC programming and BBC radio but if I want to listen to a BBC local commentary of a team that's not in my geographic location (i.e. a station that I can't get via an FM/AM radio) then I have to pay a separate fee to the Football League to listen online. Just because I live in Manchester it doesn't mean I should only have access to Wigan and Bolton commentary.
21st century guys
and watch stuff live online but with a slight delay because you click 'start this show from the beginning' before it comes on?
Actually, don't answer that. I don't care and I have a TV licence.
someone check on cementemental
someone just copy and paste the other threads i don't care anyt more
i still care. about theo's indignation mostly. it's tremendous. not enough to write more than this though.
FUCK THE BBC
VIVE LA BBC THREE
LONG LIVE BBC FOUR
I don't have a TV. At least one of my flatmates does, but in his room as we don't have a living room.
I'm pretty certain there's no licence on the flat, but because of the above I don't really care.
Would we be jointly liable in the event of a prosecution?
you can get individual licenses I think? Does he?
it isn't a "social" flatshare. We do have a joint tenancy agreement though, so I imagine that would make a difference.
(Not that I expect any legal issues to come of it. Just kinda curious!)
it's just up to the person with a tv in their room
(licences are held by individuals) and anyone else on the joint tenancy. It will be his though so if he moves, it moves with him.
I fucking hated working there, but seem to enjoy doing unpaid work for them on this forum. Strange.
and say it's a microwave when they come round
we're not all rolling in the benjamins like you, sheeldzy.
There's no aerial on the roof and I couldn't be bothered to get one fitted or get Sky so I just go without live tv. I declared to the license people that I didn't need one so they'd stop sending the ridiculous threats which kept them quiet for a couple of years but they've started sending them again recently.
i moved house (did i mention) and cancelled my direct debit to the bbc cos i dont have a tv. should i be doing more about this?
they'll just start harrassing whoever moves into your old flat as it will red flag that property as no longer having a licence.
They'll chase you up about it and then you can just tell them that you're living elsewhere. They'll want to know where though. Make something up or just pay it. Wevs.
for their advice on this, and it just put me into a fucking loop of telling me to use their contact form, and their contact form just telling me to look at their FAQ, until i noticed a bit where they say you can basically just cancel your dd
It's worth calling them and telling them you've moved and that your new property is covered by the licence. They should have no need to ask for your next address as you're not moving the licence there. You will most likely get at least get 30 odd quid back and may be eligible for 70 odd.
and had to say i have a tv licence, but im at work and have no idea if work has a licence
It would certainly save on some legwork