you have my sympathies, that sort of thing happened to me a lot, after Id decided someone was really sensible and talked a lot of sense, then after I'd eulogised them to someone else, they'd go and ruin it.
"Of the Norway massacre in which 77 people died, Morrissey heralds to a Warsaw crowd, "That is nothing compared to what happens in McDonald's and Kentucky Fried shit every day."
Yep, I definitely don't agree with that either.
Oh dear, can I go back on my claim in the opening title?
Basically, if you ignore the really controversial stuff, the general gist of animal cruelty / the meat industry / the royal family / modern culture / the elites of police-government-courts, he talks a lot of sense.
But as I've quickly found out to my chagrin, he's said some stupid things.
"In an open letter to his fan club, Morrissey rips into the "blustering jingoism" of the London Olympics, comparing the mood in the U.K. to Nazi Germany. "The 'dazzling royals' have, quite naturally, hijacked the Olympics for their own empirical needs, and no oppositional voice is allowed in the free press. . . The spirit of 1939 Germany now pervades throughout media-brand Britain."
it is candid and frank, in that it displays 'not his finest moment' and in that respect, its definately good to have in an autobiography, and gives it more weight
I feel very very bad about it. I know I could give up but I'm weak and hypocritical and selfish.
But he's right about meat and the meat industry. I advise caution when watching this video. But if you eat meat you should watch it. Literally, it's stuck with my for about a year since seeing it.
like obviously there are loads of 'alternatives' like quorn, but I don't eat any of that stuff cos it creeps me out. But it's so easy cos you don't need to have a special diet like veganism- you just don't eat meat. Most people eat meat less than they think, and there isn't some fundamental change to their entire lifestyle like there is with veganism- pretty much every restaurant in the UK serves vegetarian food, and the only other thing you can't eat (off the top of my head) is stuff with gelatine in like some sweets and jelly (though they make vegetarian versions of both), and parmesan cheese/some other European cheeses, because it's made with rennet, which is made from the lining of calves stomachs.
Britain is widely thought of as the best country in the world for vegetarianism cos of our progressive attitude towards animal rights and our appetite for food from other cultures. So you can get loads of vegetarian alternatives in supermarkets, and also go somewhere like Yo Sushi and have a lush meal without eating any fish.
Quorn goods that were already cooked to begin with or vegetable kebabs. For a couple of years I would just eat meat only at restaurants and barbecues just to eat less meat. I think eating less meat is underrated.
which means I've created 2 vegetarians so I'm actually in credit and could eat more meat and still have a positive environmental effect. The fact that I eat less meat means I am responsible for saving more animals than a single vegetarian.
when Kate was in hopsital witrh secret morning sickness-
There's no blame placed at Kate Middleton, who was in the hospital for, as far as I can see, absolutely no reason . . . She feels no shame about the death of this woman. The arrogance of the British royals is staggering, absolutely staggering.
From http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/sep/03/morrissey-china-subspecies-racism ----------------------------------------------------------------------
The war of words with NME continued in 2007 after Morrissey, who lived in Rome at the time, was quoted in an interview with the magazine apparently criticising levels of immigration after being asked if he would ever consider moving back to England. "With the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because, although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears," he said. "If you walk through Knightsbridge on any bland day of the week you won't hear an English accent. You'll hear every accent under the sun apart from the British accent."
At another point in the interview he stated: "England is a memory now. The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in."
Irish blood, English heart, This I'm made of
There is no one on earth I'm afraid of
And no regime can buy or sell me
I've been dreaming of a time when
To be English is not to be baneful
To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful, Racist or partial
Irish blood, English heart, This I'm made of
There is no one on earth I'm afraid of
And I will die with both of my hands untied
The English are sick to death of Labour, And Tories
And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this royal line that still salute him,
And will salute him forever.
I've been dreaming of a time when
The English are sick to death of Labour, And Tories
And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this royal line that still salute him,
And will salute him forever.
I think a lot of the time he is just trying to be morally consistent. I reckon if someone was forced to watch the reality in person of what happens to an animal from farm to the plate, then shown and animal and asked 'do you want this to happen to this animal to have that burger' the vast majority of people would say of course not (most people justify it by saying there is nothing wrong in eating meat in principle so long as the animal is treated right and then ignore that the vast majority of the time they are not). He is just trying to make people face that truth. Genuinely think if the current way we treat animals isn't seen as barbaric in a few decades it will be proof the human race had not progressed. (I say this as a massive hypocrite carnivore).
Basically all I was gonna say was that good people say stupid things. Call them out on it, of course, but I don't think a few quotes spread out over the course of 30 years should define a person.
He's a bellend
Why?
Just winds me up that's all
Reading more of this thread
He's sometimes a bellend.
I'm not even sure Morrissey agrees with everything Morrissey has ever said
that could be applied to anyone
but aye
"You can't help but feel that the Chinese people are a subspecies."
Did he say that?
I don't agree with that.
This thread is really working out.
:D
you have my sympathies, that sort of thing happened to me a lot, after Id decided someone was really sensible and talked a lot of sense, then after I'd eulogised them to someone else, they'd go and ruin it.
what about saying the norway massacre/anders breivek stuff was comparable to KFC killing chickens
and saying it like a week after it happened
This
"Of the Norway massacre in which 77 people died, Morrissey heralds to a Warsaw crowd, "That is nothing compared to what happens in McDonald's and Kentucky Fried shit every day."
Yep, I definitely don't agree with that either.
Oh dear, can I go back on my claim in the opening title?
To be fair
If you value animal life just as much (or more than) human life - which Moz has never really made any bones about - it is worse.
He's a fud.
Gotta be a big fan of Moz, haven't you?
I mean, look at the alternative ...
Even the meat is murder stuff?
Very much that
But not the Norway stuff.
Basically, if you ignore the really controversial stuff, the general gist of animal cruelty / the meat industry / the royal family / modern culture / the elites of police-government-courts, he talks a lot of sense.
But as I've quickly found out to my chagrin, he's said some stupid things.
You haven't even mentioned his daft views on immigration
and the shifting cultural makeup of Britain. That's some going.
Fucking love Morrissey but, like all great men, he don't half talk a load of old balls on occasion...
I starting to think that no one is ever as good as you think/hope they are
no in a boo-hoo-hoo way though
His book is fascinating
I certainly don't agree with all of it, but it's brilliantly written and very witty and interesting
True
Be your own hero. That's what I say.
I like / agree with this one though:
"In an open letter to his fan club, Morrissey rips into the "blustering jingoism" of the London Olympics, comparing the mood in the U.K. to Nazi Germany. "The 'dazzling royals' have, quite naturally, hijacked the Olympics for their own empirical needs, and no oppositional voice is allowed in the free press. . . The spirit of 1939 Germany now pervades throughout media-brand Britain."
david hume's got a lot to answer for
well given Nazi Germany created many of the Olympic traditions we are now accustomed to
yeah, it's a valid point
Yep, for all the opposition to it in the run-up
As soon as the British public got a sniff of a gold medal they turned into sobbing, bunting-waving, flag-in-car-window twats.
Didn't watch a second of it which I will take to my grave as a heroic achievement.
bloody Commies
We're all proud of you
I was horrified by his insisting that the car drive off leaving the distressed half naked
young man on the moor......I mean thats just shameful.....isnt it?
to be fair
that seemed like quite an ordeal, think they panicked more than anything, great story nonetheless
oh yes
it is candid and frank, in that it displays 'not his finest moment' and in that respect, its definately good to have in an autobiography, and gives it more weight
I dunno
they drive on in case it's an ambush (fair enough) and then call the police at the nearest phonebox.
The police say FUCK OFF and so they go back there in the morning.
I can't really see what more (moor!) there was to do. I wouldn't get our the car in the middle of nowhere, in the literal pitch black.
ish
he's a bit of a disingenuous, insecure, money obsessed, self-pitying bellend by the end of it.
*start
you've basically outsourced trolling here
good work
TrollSmart (tm)
and if you were going to outsource trolling, Morrissey would be a good option.
I agree with pretty much everything Richard Littlejohn says.
there's a buger bar near my work
which has "Morrissey's favourite burger joint" written on the blackboard which I found rather amusing
http://p.twimg.com/A5eEFdhCYAArC3_.jpg:large
not really the same joke
but approved all the same
Granted, see all Amy's Winehouse
*also
Seems as good a place as any to leave this
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx
... eh?
hmmm
it works for me: Sunday Sport run a story called 'abbatoir worker is morrisey lookalike'. Hiarious bants.
I don't think you can hotlink to that page
I'm a meat eater
I feel very very bad about it. I know I could give up but I'm weak and hypocritical and selfish.
But he's right about meat and the meat industry. I advise caution when watching this video. But if you eat meat you should watch it. Literally, it's stuck with my for about a year since seeing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eoF6w7R9oI
Sorry to make this thread horrible. Or don't watch and and that's cool. My guilt of eating meat makes me post it.
it's so so so easy to give up meat and fish
like obviously there are loads of 'alternatives' like quorn, but I don't eat any of that stuff cos it creeps me out. But it's so easy cos you don't need to have a special diet like veganism- you just don't eat meat. Most people eat meat less than they think, and there isn't some fundamental change to their entire lifestyle like there is with veganism- pretty much every restaurant in the UK serves vegetarian food, and the only other thing you can't eat (off the top of my head) is stuff with gelatine in like some sweets and jelly (though they make vegetarian versions of both), and parmesan cheese/some other European cheeses, because it's made with rennet, which is made from the lining of calves stomachs.
Britain is widely thought of as the best country in the world for vegetarianism cos of our progressive attitude towards animal rights and our appetite for food from other cultures. So you can get loads of vegetarian alternatives in supermarkets, and also go somewhere like Yo Sushi and have a lush meal without eating any fish.
wait....quorn creeps you out?
it is made of Funghi to be fair
Options at barbecues are shit though
Quorn goods that were already cooked to begin with or vegetable kebabs. For a couple of years I would just eat meat only at restaurants and barbecues just to eat less meat. I think eating less meat is underrated.
my gf's a veggie
which means I don't eat much
My wife and kids are veggie
which means I've created 2 vegetarians so I'm actually in credit and could eat more meat and still have a positive environmental effect. The fact that I eat less meat means I am responsible for saving more animals than a single vegetarian.
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just watched that video
well hey looks like i'm vegetarian now
...
"I think self destruction is honourable. I always thought it was. It's an act of great control, and I understand people who do it."
controverslol
Think his most recent 'controversial' comment
About Beyonce being responsible for elephants nearly being extinct is my favourite. Something about handbags.
Rhinos
"The rhino is now more or less extinct, and it's not because of global warming or shrinking habitats. It's because of Beyonce's handbags"
I didn't know that one either
I'm a fool.
I think I was basically saying I really liked his book.
I'm sure Beyonce, a role model to millions
wearing fur is actively helping the plight of animals hunted to extinction.
BUT HEY IT'S BEYONCE SHE CAN DO WHATEVER SHE WANTS right?
he was really mean ot the guys from duck Dynasty
I love those dudes as well.
when that nurse killed herself
when Kate was in hopsital witrh secret morning sickness-
There's no blame placed at Kate Middleton, who was in the hospital for, as far as I can see, absolutely no reason . . . She feels no shame about the death of this woman. The arrogance of the British royals is staggering, absolutely staggering.
He really isn't
Hasn't he basically said he thinks immigration has ruined the country
so he lives abroad?
If he was on your FB friends you'd be arguing with the right-wing bastard over the Tories' immigration plans right now.
He said that ok?
Ok, I don't think I agree with a lot of what he says.
I WAS WRONG. WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT? BLOOD!?
Nah
Pretty sure that was Vinnie Jones
He did, in 2007
From http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/sep/03/morrissey-china-subspecies-racism
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The war of words with NME continued in 2007 after Morrissey, who lived in Rome at the time, was quoted in an interview with the magazine apparently criticising levels of immigration after being asked if he would ever consider moving back to England. "With the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because, although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears," he said. "If you walk through Knightsbridge on any bland day of the week you won't hear an English accent. You'll hear every accent under the sun apart from the British accent."
At another point in the interview he stated: "England is a memory now. The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in."
which is funny considering how much he hates jingoism in England
I can only assume now he's middle-class and relatively wealthy...
In his book he absolutely denies that
and says the entire interview was fabricated by the editor. Even the journalist sent him emails saying he didn'r write it and it's nto true.
In fact, in his book he goes to great lengths to explain the whole Morrissey / racism thing.
I'm not saying it's one or the other, I'm just saying he denies it quite strongly.
yeah, NME certainly seem to have it in for him
Well I hope the truth is on his side
because, while I'm no great fan of the Smiths, I'd like to think he's still a good old leftie deep in his soul.
he was good in Men Behaving Badly
Amanda Holden
I've been dreaming of a time when
Irish blood, English heart, This I'm made of
There is no one on earth I'm afraid of
And no regime can buy or sell me
I've been dreaming of a time when
To be English is not to be baneful
To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful, Racist or partial
Irish blood, English heart, This I'm made of
There is no one on earth I'm afraid of
And I will die with both of my hands untied
The English are sick to death of Labour, And Tories
And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this royal line that still salute him,
And will salute him forever.
um, fucked that up didn't i? just meant this bit:
I've been dreaming of a time when
The English are sick to death of Labour, And Tories
And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this royal line that still salute him,
And will salute him forever.
Seriously, nobody's picked up on the Owen Jones & Russell Brand bit yet?
You seem to have made this thread without being aware of most of the things he's said
Or alternatively a couple of things he said
amongst 30 years of saying things.
alot of which he's denied ever saying
tbf
I think on balance I am pro morrissey
I think a lot of the time he is just trying to be morally consistent. I reckon if someone was forced to watch the reality in person of what happens to an animal from farm to the plate, then shown and animal and asked 'do you want this to happen to this animal to have that burger' the vast majority of people would say of course not (most people justify it by saying there is nothing wrong in eating meat in principle so long as the animal is treated right and then ignore that the vast majority of the time they are not). He is just trying to make people face that truth. Genuinely think if the current way we treat animals isn't seen as barbaric in a few decades it will be proof the human race had not progressed. (I say this as a massive hypocrite carnivore).
Yeah I think I'm the same.
oops, pressed enter too soon there.
Basically all I was gonna say was that good people say stupid things. Call them out on it, of course, but I don't think a few quotes spread out over the course of 30 years should define a person.
his book however...
preach, brother