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> greatest storyline / episode
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> the moment it jumped the shark
Best episode and storyline - Funhouse, end of season 2. When [spoiler] finally finds out that [spoiler] was an informant through a dream with talking fish.
Worst episode/storyline/jump the shark moment - [spoiler] trying to kill himself, last 9 episodes. Just didn't make any sense and I didn't care because he's such a crap character.
though it's not very representative of the rest of the show, whereas Funhouse is.
i think would be my top 3
Pine Barrens (the snowy Russian one)
College (the first hit one)
Funhouse (the Pussy one)
Mr. Ruggerio's Neighborhood (the FBI one)
Boca (the cunnilingus one)
Employee of the Month was one I had a hard time leaving out, but Boca is just so damn funny
SPOILERZ He's great when he's a little bastard. Meadow is also great until she settles down. I thought they were gonna have her with Jackie Jr for a while and develop that as a storyline, so was well shocked when he got killed.
BIGGEST disappointment for me with the Sopranos - sidelining Jennifer Melfi. She's brilliant, possibly the best character. She goes from being a major part to being forgotten about almost. Sad.
Best Episode - Stress Relief - The opening scene is one of my favourite moments in any programme ever.
Worst - Anything with Will Ferrell as Deangelo... that was a bit of a car crash from start to the moment he left.
Shark jump - It was okay for a bit after Carell left (mainly thanks to James Spader) but the minute the brought Catherine fucking Tate in was when I gave up.
You should have seen it through.
Best episode - The Contest (the 'see who can last the longest without wanking' one)
Worst episode - the final episode (by a mile)
Jump the shark - never really, though it was starting to run on fumes in the final season
the secret code
the marine biologist
Best episode: Two Cathedrals - a triumphant merger of tragedy and triumph
Worst episode - The ones around Zoe being kidnapped, it all got a bit 24.
Jumped the shark - When Toby gets canned for leaking info on a SECRET SPACESHIP to save his astronaut brother... which in fact was all covering for a behind the scenes pay dispute which led to the actor being dumped.
Best ep: Ozymandias (2nd place the Train one)
Worst ep: The fly
Jump the shark: 2 planes crashing into each other in mid-air, why?
Don't know why folk hate it so much, it traps Walt and Jesse together for the duration thus enabling their relationship storyline to be developed, it shows Walt's deteriorating mental state, plus it has some good slapstick in it.
Possible jumping the shark moment for me - the giant magnet (although after X left the story at the end of the previous series it was always going to be hard to pick up straight away).
I think people who watched it in real-time could easily dislike it - you wait a week for the new exciting, dramatic instalment of BB and ... basically nothing happens for the whole thing. Whereas I was binge-watching it, so I got the amazing character development of The Fly but then could get my fix of action and excitement right away with the next episode.
Also on a personal level the whole Walt/Jesse/Jane was probably my favourite thing BB ever did, so The Fly was especially good for me with all the tensions about whether Walt would reveal what had happened or not.
RE: giant magnet - I loved that, which shows how hard it is to separate jumping the shark from a crowning moment of awesome
Cause literally every episode had me gripped - the fly was about character development, yeah, but it was also a little boring and it couldve done with SOME time outside of the lab
The Fly episode was made because it had cost them so much to build the lab that they needed to have an ep where basically nothing happened. But yeah I think it's great character development, although I see what you mean about it being frustrating if you'd watched it week on week
only main characters, usually a single pre-existing set, not a great deal happens except talking
Just asking cos I regularly see it on "worst BB stories" lists and I never quite got why
the programme. there weren't THAT many suspension of disbelief moments but that was one of them.
What was the need for it? Presumably to show that Walt's actions reached out further than just his little circle, but there are far better ways to do that than have 2 planes crash in mid-air, which strikes me as an incredibly unlikely event
I think the story was totally justified in terms of what they were trying to say (like you said, about the impact of his actions) but maybe they could have done it better.
Basically, did you think it was actively a bad plotline, or just the worst one on a very good show? Because I could see the latter, but it was at least interesting enough for me not to actvely dislike it
Just seemed sooooo unlikely that it was almost lazy to put it in. Its the one blemish on the show's otherwise flawless reputation in my book.
Maybe Jane's dad could have been a school bus driver or something instead, nah mean?
so you don't mind the like death and destruction aspect of it, just the OTT-ness of it being a mid-air plane crash? They could still have done the whole pink teddy stuff as well if it was a big enough crash. Only thing we'd be missing is Walt's excellent "comforting" speech to all the students :')
the whole series builds up with these flash-forwards of debris and body parts at the White's home, then it turns out to be nothing to do with them really
but I can totally see why some people would feel a bit cheated
of the reasons BB is only a top ten ever show and not the best ever. I loved the trick of the two bodies being shown on the driveway, was such a neat mechanism to stress you out, then it turned out to be some clunky "woah your actions can have wider consequences" piece of nonsense, that was just too big a thing for that generally subtle show. Was a big old balls up.
The fly episode was fine, but felt a bit like a different show, so felt a bit out of place. That said, it is an enjoyable enough show.
I thought the movey gun thing at the end, whilst very cool, was a bit shark-jumpy too - wouldn't a nice bit of mega-science been better given what we have been through. Or maybe that is the point, he is just violent now, and they are muthfuckers who need gunishment.
Hell of a show that, really exceptional, could talk about it all day.
Best episode - Phoenix, the whole thing with Jane and Walt is the point when he really goes over the edge and becomes properly bad, a real turning point for him and the show. Plus the scene with him and Jane's father is one of the most affecting things BB ever did. Ozymandias, Half Measure and Crawl Space are probably "better" episodes but that's my favourite.
Worst episode - No actively bad episodes, but Felina (the finale) was pretty disappointing for me. I was never a big fan of the Nazi supergang and it all finished a bit neatly. Plus Walt got to go out roughly on his own terms, which I'm not sure he deserved after everything he'd done.
Shark jump - The silent Mexican twins. I liked them and they were involved in some great stories, but that's the point when the show went from being (almost) plausible to being very stylised. Not bad, but definitely different
Is another good shout. They were really camp somehow, and made the show seem a bit silly.
because the whole show was on his terms, that's the point of the shiw
Best episode: I need to rewatch it, but the one which sticks in my mind the most is the one where David gets kidnapped. Yeah, it's horrendous and harrowing but absolutely amazing television. There's also the ending (I won't spoil for those who've not seen) which is the greatest ending in TV history. My favourite "bit" though, is one of the deaths at the start -- the one where a woman sees a whole bunch of blow up dolls floating in the sky and thinks it's the second coming or some shit, so she crashes her car in awe :')
Worst episode: probably one where Claire gets a bit shite.
Jumping the shark: somewhen in season 3 or 4 it got really shit and Claire was super annoying.
In summary: I need to re-watch the whole thing and come back and answer then.
is in my top three tv episodes of any programme.
But the shark jump moment is so, so, SO obviously the ending of the Lily disappearing storyline.
best episode: where to start. i'd go for lisa on ice but mentions for cape feare, last exit to springfield and you only live twice
worst episode: again too many to chose from. any of the clip shows/almost anything after about 2006
shark jump: the principle and the pauper. when principle skinner turns out to actually be called armin tamzarian, yet for some reason his mum never noticed/cared. pretty distinctly marks the point when it turned from consistently very good to consistent mediocrity
Homer was wetting himself so they went to Frink and shrunk themselves so they could go into his dreams like Inception. It wasn't even a Treehouse one
but it hasnt jumped the shark or had any bad storylines so it'd be false of me to do so
I beg to differ
but i guess the cow's producing too much milk for anyone to make that call
The underground jockey kingdom is the real tipping point.
I don't hate that episode as much as some, but it did begin a marked decline it never recovered from. It's interesting hearing Oakley and Weinstein's pretty convincing defence of that episode though.
I'm currently plotting an article about how Homer's Enemy (Frank Grimes) is the last truly great Simpsons episode because it broke the final tangile law/wall the show could do
is the one where Lisa And Bart chase Homer And Marge across the country.
Or when Marge goes on Steroids
Or the Ricky Gervais one
Or the one where the go to the UK
Best epsiode - The Best Man: Fonzie almost gets married, a black character challenges everyone's notion of race, Ralph becomes a beatnik.
Worst epsiode - Hoolywood Part 3: the main characters visit LA and go waterskiing for some reason.
The moment it jumped the shark: the moment Fonzie jumped the shark.
Best episode: The one where Karl Kennedy kissed Sarah, Billy kissed Caitlin AND there was that big car crash at the race track.
Worst episode: When Cody died. It was funny rather than tragic, and so obviously rush-written to get the character out of the programme.
Shark jump: err... Neighbours is basically just a series of shark jumps interspersed with the occasional storyline. Any one of the following could count:
- the boxing match where Clive gets knocked out and dreams he's Santa.
- Bouncer's dream
- Lucy coming back as four different people.
- Beverley and Cheryl being played by different people.
- Todd seeing Phoebe's ghost in the mirror.
- Harold coming back
- Harold turning into a drinking womaniser.
That Irish guy and the mafia princess storyline.
best episode: Hush (everyone loses their voice)
worst episode: the one where Giles and Buffy's mum eat the cursed candy and start acting like teenagers. Or maybe the one where Buffy's mum goes mad. Or maybe the one where Buffy's mum doesn't die.
shark-jumping moment: n/a.
I just pinched myself and I didn't disappear. Does that mean anything?
I don't have a strong opinion about it, though I'm pretty sure it would have to involve Buffy's mum. Or Tara. Or Season7-Xander.
or any of the Angel-moping flashback ones.
I'm only halfway through season 4 though so.
but, yeah, it's up there with the worst.
Buffy's at its worst when a character (any one of them) is doing moping and sanctimony. Unfortunately, the further it goes on the more it does moping and sanctimony. Some characters much more than others
But there's so much brilliance throughout that I can forgive these crimes.
or that one where steroids turn the school jocks into fish people or something
seemed to be loads of forgettable monster-of-the-week ones in the first series.
or, rather, I liked the seasonal arcs being broken up by monster-of-the-week episodes. They could be hit and miss, but they also provided the pre-text for the more creative and intriguing episodes (like Hush).
That fish people one - S2, just before the final two parter with Buffy fighting Angelus and sending him to hell
it's the one where Willow scans a demon into a computer and it falls in love with her
Never a good idea
which surprises me, since I agree with NoahVale's sentiment.
It's the main reason why I've steadfastly avoided Glee (though I'm beginning to waver and starting to consider the possibility of giving it a shot).
Giles is so cool. Few years back I went to a Buffy convention that had Tony Head and Robin Sachs and they showed Band Candy and they both did a commentary on it - was amazing, great banter.
but I vaguely remember Giles as being sort of ok when I was a teenager, and now on the re-watch he's just so great. so many different kinds of excellent.
Giles calmly killing Ben at the end of the Glory arc is one of those moments when the word 'chilling' is actually appropriate.
And when he comes back to stop Dark Willow is a brilliant moment ('I'd like to test that theory'), one of the few bits of that season I really enjoy.
when he goes postal on Angelus in Season 2 = badass.
before Angelus starts kicking his arse. That's one of my favourite episodes.
but Buffy's mum is so so bad that he can't prevent her from making every episode she's in far worse than it would otherwise (inc. Band Candy).
the worst one for me was the finale of season 4, the dreaming in the desert with the first slayer stuff, just really really dull. Most of season one is ropey but has a charm to it.
not sure if its my favourite but I really liked the zeppo in season three, pretty low key episode but that season was when it was at its prime, I really liked how they reversed the A and B story and undercut the buffy/angel histrionics.
I can't pinpoint the shark jump but I would say season 7, bar season one all the other seasons plot and thematically were really well thought out (even liked season 6 though it was a bit of a departure), where as I am not really sure what season 7 was about.
- Best episode
The one where they have the quiz to decide who gets the big apartment
- Worst Moment
- Shark-jumping moment
it's Miss Chanandler Bong
Although maybe the Joey spin-off was even lower.
that you mean it already jumped before it even began
Best story - when Joey pretends he's a trained ballet dancer and ends up teaching a class to do a chicken dance.
Worst story - Monica thinking Chandler is into "shark-porn". Seriously, the whole concept is ridiculous, badly acted and just makes me cringe every time I see it.
Shark-jumping moment - when everyone finds out about Chandler and Monica getting together. Chandler becomes mightily unfunny and Monica becomes whiny and irritating almost overnight.
Or the Holiday Armadillo.
id say when monica/chandler get toether theres still great bits.
the real shark moment for me is ross/rachels baby
Awful 'TV series goes abroad' type special, with pointless celebrity cameos, and the Chandler and Monica storyline signalling an end to a lot of the funny and interesting group dynamics.
From Season 5 onwards, the show descends from being genuinely great and iconic into trashy comfort viewing pretty quickly.
for me the worst seasons of friends were those ones in the middle, season 3 onwards, I didnt mind monica and chandler getting together, monica was always just annoying and shrill, chandler was the highlight of early seasons but started to grate, so kinda glad they just became boring.
I actually prefer the later seasons, ross becoming weirder and weired, the joey/rachel/ross love triangle, phobe and paul rudd were interesting developments.
My all time favourite scene in friends is this one which was relatively late in the series:
Best episode - maybe the one where Daphne teaches Niles to dance, or the bottle episode where Frasier and Niles plan a dinner party.
Worst episode - Niles having a heart operation
Jump the shark - Daphne finding out that Niles likes her
Best Episode - My life in four cameras which goes from being an initially funny premise to a strangely moving lesson on the nature of escapism.
Worst Episode - The musical episode, no just no.
Jumping the shark moment - Season 7 particularly the strange fairy tale story it wasn't particularly bad but it did make me realize the show had pretty much run it's course.
My Way Home, which is sort of scrubs take on the wizard of oz, strangely entertaining and uplifting at the same time.
-The one where Randy Disher built a robot and his band 'The Randy Disher Project' sang a song about Stoddlemeyer.
- the one with the astronaut/garage door murder
Pretty much impossible to pick a best episode
that the moment (it's in the opening episode of one of the most recent seasons) where the doctor goes into Larry's fridge while talking to him and takes a can of lemonade is maybe my favourite few seconds of tv ever. Can't explain why I love that bit so much, but I can't even think about it without laughing.
is the best episode of curb
picking a bad episode/shark jump is the hard part
Possibly Denise Handicap, The Bare Midriff or The Black Swan. Not that they're bad episodes as such, or that it was no good from then (Palestinian Chicken equals everything from the first few seasons for me) but I think the tone shifted a bit from then.
felt like a low moment.
I feel like Curb hasn't jumped, season 8 is one of my favourite seasons of any TV show. The whole moving to New York to avoid taking part in a charity fundraiser is hilarious, as is the sub-current of Funkhouser's second-adolescence after Larry accidentally convinces him to get divorced.
When Larry picks up the hooker to go to the baseball and ends up getting Funkhauser arrested at the airport
Worst: The one with Ricky Gervais. Is there anything he can't ruin?
is pretttttaaaayyyy good, all things considered.
Tim riggins owning his bit of Texas
Tyra getting into college
Flash making it and they all throw the ball around BEST TIMES OF MY LIFE ON THIS FIELD
Matt and julie kiss
Tim and julie
Julie and the TA. That killed me
I don't think it was good when matt started doing art in that shed
best storyline: probably the jamie parker matchfixing storyline.
worst storyline: the one where the harchester "ultras" infiltrated the lazio end in order to racially abuse a player and try and get the match abandoned.
shark jump: jumped the shark from episode one, but that's what made it so hilariously entertaining.
Best storyline/episode: the Laura Palmer murder obv
Worst storyline/episode: Anything James does/meets the middle aged woman
didn't really jump the shark but James playing guitar/singing with donna and maddie made me want to simultaneously throw up and punch the tv
that's a pretty powerful episode. God knows how they got away with something as brutal as that on network TV then.
and Laura Palmer's mum coming down the stairs (am I remembering that right?) blew me away when I saw it.
worst episode: when james goes off on his bike for the whole episode
- Best episode
Either the first one with Johnson or when Mark pretends to go back to university
- Worst episode
Pretty sure there's one where Mark inexpicably ends up dressed as Hitler and oh crikey! his new German boss walks in for no reason!!!
- Shark jumping
Probably when they ate the dog. Dunno. Actually started losing it in the second series in retrospect.
I thought that the dog-eating episode was certainly a low point, but that the show in general actually got better again after that point.
The first series was brilliant because everything in it was so mundane and pathetic, so when something 'outrageous' happened it actually took you by surprise. It ended up so formulaic that you knew they were going to randomly lurch into a completely implausible situation at some point, and they stopped being normal, sad blokes because they'd already done too much mentally unstable stuff.
are the uni one, the magic mushroom party or the rainbow rhythms one i reckon
but there one or two decent episodes in that one.
They want more cor anglais.
Best episode: So many on a par but probably go for the split reality bowling one
Worst episode: The whole hamster in a ball thing was never funny.
Shark jumping: Never really did it but it never got any better than the ending to the one where Lois has the flu and they're trying to hide Francis's letter.
in particular the one where he has to look after the boys for the night and ends up going a bit bi-polar.
Might abuse that heavily today
Best: Best 30 min episode is probably The Longest Night (with 'the damned elusive Sh--a--dow'). Best 50 min episode would be from the series where Rodders met Cassandra - either Dates (Racquel is really a strip-a-gram) or The Chain Gang (with Arnie the bent jeweller)
Worst: See below
Shark Jump: Miami Twice - godawful, and the beginning of the end despite a partial return to form with the antique watch 'finale' episodes.
are far worse than Miami Twice (especially that foreign guy who can only say one word in English or something). It is interesting to read how much of a nightmare they had filming the Miami one.
best episode: scott tenorman must die immediately springs to mind I guess
worst episode: peruvian flute band double episode
moment it jumped the shark: probably happened earlier but the peruvian flute band was the one that made me stop watching it regularly, though it was already getting quite patchy and frequently had bad episodes by that point.
that was definitely the jump the shark moment still
but there's been plenty of watchable stuff since then.
The ones with Towlie, Mr Hanky or solely relevant to a celeb news story that came to light that week. I feel the best SP episodes are rarely topical though so the moment they started getting obsessed with producing a show within 6 days, they suffered a bit. But there are still usually 4 or 5 belters a season.
best episode: the chaos theory one's about as perfect as a programme like that can get
worst: the first episode of the new series, they forgot to write jokes and it was all a self-referencing mess
shark jump: the storyline with pierce's dad and the inheritance was the beginning of it's slide. season 4 was uniformly meh.
Can't really remember the first two series, but one from one of them.
Those last two that were just on telly
When he jumped off the building and everyone turned into a fucking TWAT
Best: GOB'S SUIT
Worst: probably the first one with the 'For British Eyes Only' storyline, which also signifies a fairly substantial shark jump. It's not without merit after that, the end of Season 3 and some of Season 4 is great, but it never quite got back to the relentless gold of seasons 1 and 2.
season 3's just rushed cuz it was suddenly cancelled
best: epsisode 1 series 2 which opens with desmond in the hatch.
worst: the finale
jumping the shark: probably series 1 episode 1
Best: The Constant
Worst: That one where Locke makes the sweat lodge
Jumped Shark: Whole of the final season, or whenever the sideways reality was introduced
Best episode: New Year's Eve (first series) - Perfect pacing for a programme, good ending that should be cliched but manages not to be, unexpected happenings (Seth with the blonde one).
Worst episode: It got so awful after the 1st series, and I'd stopped watching it by the time Marissa's sister had miraculously aged about 10 years, but the one where Ryan's brother shoots someone or gets shot or whatever, was indicative of how shite it had become.
The moment it got shit: Possibly the end of the 1st season. Ended perfectly, started quite well, but lost all joviality, became 'heavy', lost good supporting characters (Luke, Oliver, blonde Seth girl who I forget) and brought in new awful ones (the new boyfs and gfs especially). I liked the rain episode with the spiderman bit, but it got to a point where I didn't feel like I was watching a programme for teenagers any more. Everyone became permanently miserable in it. All I wanted was another clip of them riding down the boardwalk with Doves playing in the background, but it never happened.
I liked the last series, after they got rid of Marissa. Seemed to rediscover a sense of fun.
I watched it though.
Remember that one where she kept playing Interpol in her bedroom. She looked amazing in that episode. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
watched the Chrismukkah episode last night after a night out, in a drunken haze.
Best Episode - 'All in the Family' probably, where two doctors have been stabbed
Worst - no way of telling really, had a particular hatred for the plotline involving the surgeon with violent hand tremors
Jumped the shark - when the helicopter came back to finish off Romano after initially taking his arm *
* might not have been the same helicopter, but who knows
(wonder if anyone will get this)
Best episodes: All strong but for pure don't-give-a-fuck ethos it's a tie between:
- patience (if you've seen it, you'll know)
- the episode which is randomly a hillbilly sitcom starring Will Oldham, David Cross and Zach Galifianakis, completely unrelated to any other episode of the show (I think a response to being cancelled)
- the final episode, which is one long Clarence segment, where they walk around New York asking people to make good television and then play sad music underneath whatever they do. Hilarious.
Worst episode: Never outstayed it's welcome, but the episodes where mother nature gets a sex change and the one with the cartoon about the two cosmetic surgeons who go to impoverished/war-torn countries to give people makeovers are both highly uncomfortable viewing.
Best: Genesis of the Daleks, Caves of Androzani and Spearhead from space are great, classic Who. All great commentary of their era and good drama too.
Worst: That Peter Kay one, the Slitheen, those lumps of fat... all awful. Which is true of most Colin Baker era shows as well.
Shark jumping: For a variety show 50 years old, it's done it relatively little. A few moments stand out though. Pertwee shooting an alien in cold blood in Day of the Daleks grates, Colin Baker semi-strangling his assistant shocks and the kiss in the movie sexualised the show for the first time, something Tennant's era expanded. Long term, I feel Moffat moving the show from a weekly serial to an over-riding arc might be the biggest misstep, as I know people in the UK drifting away from the show due to the strands ongoing for soooo long. His first season got the balance right but now, it's not a tune in to the odd episode like it used to be. Though it's growing in popularity overseas so hey... maybe it's the future. In theory it should work, but I don't think it suits Who. The nature of being on a spaceship one week and in the 11th century the next is what makes it unique, so I hope it goes back to being simpler as the big pay offs aren't worth the individual episodes suffering in pace and coherence.
Blink was great (that the Doc wasn't really in it), the Eleventh Hour charming, loved the two partners with the gas mask kids, library, satan pit and Family of blood. Midnight, Dalek, The girl who waited and a Turn left were all interesting too. But I'd probably give it to The a Doctors Wife, just perfect for me. Builds on the history but a great episode in its own right with the Doctor actually doing something for once.