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Trevel Nelson maybe?
Someone bump this when it happens.
"I never met the man but, on balance, I came to the conclusion that he was a force for good rather than ill"
Why would he have beef with Funky Cold Madiba?
some people just desperately need to find something to be offended by so they can point score and show everyone how right-on they are
Ready to drop in every thread you post in?
Does that count?
Ultimate universal sacred cow.
"Mandela utilised his indubitable political skills and personal courage to stave off the threat of a social revolution in South Africa, dismantling the Apartheid regime while defending capitalism and protecting the property and wealth of the country’s white rulers and of transnational corporate investors."
OTOH I wouldn't bet my life savings against Katie Hopkins stepping up
She did glasgow last week, so she won't be capable of opening her coupon her for a while.
She's keeping on the QT after Glasgow foot-mouth interface and subsequent sacking from This Morning
nice one dave, you can definitely be in my gang. <3
Only bad thing to say about him is he was responsible for the bizarre influx of racist South African dentists in the town I grew up in.
There's plenty of dirt for people to pick up on. Mandela was undoubtedly a hugely important and good person for SA, and the world. However some of the things he got up to as the leader of the MK were grim as fuck, even if they were out of desperation and for a fundamentally good cause.
*Runs off before gets a shit load of abuse*
and this isn't meant as an attack at all, but what did he do that was 'grim as fuck'?
His Wikipedia entry mentions initially battling Apartheid by non-violent means, but that when that was ineffective he was involved in acquiring weapons and helped orchestrate a bombing campaign with the aims of maximum disruption with minimum casualties (eg. night bombings of railway lines, government buildings etc.)
Granted it seems he was inspired as much by Che Guevara as Ghandi, but I'm profoundly unenlightened on this darker side of his life that you're describing.
As this is the 'Nelson Mandela I am calling you out' thread, this seems as appropriate a place as any for more information about this.
and would like to retract my earlier post. Seems there's a lot of speculation about how much he was involved (or influenced) some of the bombings and stuff - and also the Winnie Mandela necklacing stuff. However I think it's a bit tenuous, and he was in prison for most of it.
Well done everyone
Rod Liddle takes great pleasure from upsetting people.
There's something wrong with anyone that takes great pleasure from upsetting people. Which is why the Internet is sometimes a bit of a struggle, come to think of it...
Liddle is just an offensive drunk uncle at Christmas: say hi and ignore him for rest of the day
Doesn't really flow together with the Ding Dong melody
like whether violence is acceptable for just ends or something
could be potentially interesting?
David Cameron calling Mandela a terrorist during his university days? I'd love to see a hand-wringing climb down by him now.
But I'd also like to see a revival in Free Nelson Mandela 80's t-shirts...
not really sure what that article has to do with cameron supposedly calling mandela a terrorist in his uni days?
Should have read the other thread properly...
Rick Santorum comparing Mandela's struggle against apartheid to the Republicans struggle to prevent people from getting healthcare.
Soon told where to go by Michael Bisping, one of my town's favourite sonds
That was a status about tacos. Here's the right one
I've talked to a bunch of people at uni about it and a fair few of them were unaware that Mandela was involved in violent resistance. That's not to say I've been trying to convince them he's a bad guy or anything - I think violence can be necessary in dire situations - just that it's probably worth having a think on their views re: when violence is justified etc. etc.
Not an expert on him myself by any means so if it turns out the consensus view is that he wasn't actually that involved or something I guess that would make more sense.
like the BNP have basically given up
"Blacks hate us Whites because we are successful. Their historical failures are not our fault. Whites have an average IQ of 100, Blacks 70. That's due to breeding, genetics and heritability. There is no racist White conspiracy to keep blacks down. Sorry, but Mother Nature is neither fair nor egalitarian."