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I'm already confused.
and is for kids anyway
can't understand how adults can watch it
It exists in a fantastical world in which nobody swears or gets their tits out (which is obviously a novelty in the HBO era), but things like genocide and loneliness still exist.
but crucially they're not shite
And I'd put it on par with the others.
you guys suck.
Maybe I was just glad the whole thing wasn't done at 100mph pace like much of the recent stuff has been
Old ones, new ones, the lot, and REALLY wanted to like it. Really wanted it to click, but it never has. The acting is atrocious, the stories appalling and the whole thing is amateurish. I love the *idea* of it, and the backstory, but the execution is horrific to me.
but Im actually terrible at it.
I Pmed him and he confirmed he wasnt
Saw a few repeats as a kid which got me excited then I totally lost interest in anything sci-fi (or, for that matter, fantasy or comic book related) as I was from the generation who started using deodorant right on time with the release of (What's the Story) Morning Glory. Go figure.
Can anyone give me a brief rundown of what it's all about and the innate appeal?
funniest thing i've ever seen
almost worth sitting through the after party show.
oh... i suppose some of you don't need to imagine. hmmm.
Gonna take the bait here; DiS is a forum where adults regularly drone on about how kiddy entertainers like Bieber and Gaga are ‘just good pop music’? But your problem is adults who enjoy an optimistic pre-watershed sci-fi/fantasy show?
I just enjoy being a condescending dickhead
That said, Tom Baker and Matt Smith trading lines was kinda special. And David Tennant remains adorable. John Hurt was FECKING atrocious though.
Basically a 75 minute retcon, but an entertaining 75 minute retcon and that's all that counts.
Dr Who as a whole mostly fluffy, ultimately forgettable entertainment (with the odd individual episode which manages to reach a somewhat higher peak), more or less a sci-fi soap opera, and taken on that level it's very well done.
Enjoyed the return of Tennant, John Hurt mocking the youth of the (technically) older Doctors was fun. Clara continues to be more plot device than character, hopefully that will change when Capaldi takes over.
Utter bollocks. Made me realise why all the recent Doctor Who is so shit.
It's a budget British tv programme shot like a fucking Hollywood blockbuster, with unneccessary swooping camera shots and ADHD editing that Michael Bay would be proud of.
While some of the previous doctors had a genuine quirk and charm about them, now you have vapid pretty boys pretending to be interesting dandies and coming off nauseatingly smug in the process.
And then the absurdly convoluted and nonsensical writing.
It's a triumph of brand marketing.
It made me realise I'd only watched ten minutes of it and that wasn't really a lot so I probably wasn't especially qualified to make any kind of comment.
seems to be interpreted here as 'tell me again of your superiority in not watching a TV show, please. I would love to hear the same opinion wheeled out over and over.'
is the depth and breadth of imagination required for someone to think to mention that it's a kids' show and that only kids should be watching it.
They're going to have a field day.
and a bit of a cop-out, since it kinda undermines all the angst that he had in the previous series over what he had done - now that we know he only *thought* that he did it.
That said, a family show that almost gets the main character to kill 2.7 billion children and still make you feel bad for him - that's pretty impressive in itself
who watches and enjoys modern day Doctor Who is a sad, sorry individual.
I use guns in my job, it doesn't mean i'm fascinated by them.
Ruined my night.
especially by Billie Piper being like the Ghost Of Christmas Future or something. And the idea of there being an extra Doctor that's never been in it before. In fact time travel stuff in general tends to fuck with my head. That said when I did know what was going on it was fairly entertaining, when it started showing all the Doctors working on the thingy that I can't remember, I got a bit excited, especially when Capaldi's eyes appeared.
I'm still confused that it never returned to the stuff in the basement of the museum with the aliens and the countdown and that. I presume the rest of the plot and the big red button is supposed to have taken care of that as well but I have no idea how? I'm not sure who Tom Baker was supposed to be and if he was supposed to have any relation to his Doctor. And if it said 'all 13' does that mean Capaldi is the LAST doctor? Also from what I've seen of it before I've thought Matt Smith seemed alright but to be honest when he was there alongside Tennant I kept thinking "yeah I wish Tennant was the lead in this episode, he's way better". Also I kept thinking the timing was annoying like when it showed the lineup of ALL the doctors at the end, seeing as we know Smith's about to leave and Capaldi's about to replace him. Maybe it would have been better if that announcement and everything had waited til after the anniversary? Or maybe he should have turned into Capaldi now instead of Christmas. I dunno.
Anyway I'll probably watch it at Christmas and then watch the first handful of Capaldi episodes and then get bored again and stop.
i thought that you saw capaldi's face after hurt had the stuff shooting out of him and that was a reveal that capaldi will be an earlier doctor, so ecclestone was an earlier doctor?
Tom Baker was a future Doctor (who had Tom Baker's face again, because)
...who happened to look like an older version of the 4th Doctor...
Baker told the Doctor that he might like to "revisit' a few of his old faces in the future, "just the favourite ones" or whatever
not sure what that could mean if Baker was supposed to be a different character
which was amazing.
so much of it since then has been total shite though. The helicopter scene in this episode was one of the worst bits of tv ive seen.
Think the problem is that kids arent as thick as this program thinks they are. They seem to think they can get away with weak scripts/acting purely because it's 'a kids show'. Even weirder though is when fans of it defend the show on that basis. YOU GUYS HAVE BRAINS TOO Y'KNOW, just enjoy something on its own merits rather than try to justify yourself why you can enjoy it in spite of yourself. Kids shows can be amazing for adults to watch too (evidenced by that gambon one), everything since then has been shite simply because it's shite.
to persist with something that you generally find crap.
now she's gone i guess the game's up
'it's for kids' is no defence for something being below par, though equally all the people here saying 'lol why do adults watch Doctor Who' are idiots too.
as well as extremely good looking
but some amazing levels of defensiveness ITT
Lovely interaction between the Doctors, big moral themes, nice nods to the anniversary. Elizabeth I was shit, but on the whole it was remarkably cogent and powerful for a Moffat episode.
just make me start thinking of Miranda Richardson in Blackadder II
but I started watching it with my wee brother (he's 7) from the start of the matt smith episodes. It's pretty fun actually.
Thought it was a load of bollocks.
But you could seriously apply that to almost any big-budget superhero film? I really enjoyed, say, the Avengers film last year but still got occasional feelings of "This is against my cynical, classically British instincts."
Could we summarise what appear to be the general reasons people have for thinking Dr Who is shit?
only just heard about it for the first time yesterday
I enjoyed it!
Despite The Queen and John Hurt doing their best to ruin it.
The helicopter bit was just so they get some promo by filming that scene in London right? There was no need for it otherwise.
Also, there was an aftershow programme. I wish the BBC would calm the fuck down about Dr Who. From a television show to reveal the new doctor to hiding the tardis on other shows and then having an aftershow programme. They look like a try-hard who's finally done something right and won't stop going on about it.
that aftershow was so stupid (I only watched about mins) it's embarrassing and just totally ruins everything.
One of the worst things ever committed to the airwaves... I actually think we kept on watching to see how much worse it could get, then quietly haing to restrain myself from kicking in the TV when they went to get the reaction of One Direction, who hadn't even watch the fucking special. Even the massed collection of companions seem to have a look of "what an utter shitstorm" on their face, and there obviously was a more starry piss-up going on elsewhere in the venue.
I really quite enjoyed the episode, ignored the hype and reduced expectations to "meh" and breathed a sigh of relief that it didn't reduce itself too much to Russell T Davies "Explodey-End-Of-The-World-Shoutey-Shoutey" hystronics. Was still a bit disappointed that certain ex-doctors and companions didn't appear (seriously, what the hell did they do to Ecclestone!?!) but there was enough story to get in anyway so perhaps 4+ would have been superfluous.
He seems like quite a grumpy man tbh
especially the girl who played little Amelia Pond.
Great dymanic between the doctors (was Joh Hurt that bad? I thought he was fine).
Quite dark in places what with genocide being the main plot point and the conversation in the prison.
Zygons suitably scary, the statue bit and the brigader changing would've freaked the kids out.
Tom Baker cameo!
Yeah the Queen was shit.
What was the aftershow?
I'm not really convinced by the 'John Hurt was terrible' angle everyone's gone for. The Queen was a bit shit and fairly redundant to the plot too.
And I couldn't really work out why the TARDIS couldn't just dematerialise or something.) Liked the rest though.
I liked his weary indifference to the two younger/older doctors.
Probably my favourite example of this was when they were going off to save Gallifrey. I've never liked those "Geronimo/Allons Y" things. I like to think Hurt's "For God's sake" was him being as annoyed about them as I am.
it wasn't great was it?
that minisode with paul mcgann was much much much than that.
what the hell happened to John Hurt's warmongering, bad ass, scary, intimidating doctor? 2 minutes in and they'd turned him into a cuddly grandad figure.
typical of dr who really, some good clever ideas, some nice interplay between the characters, and then lots and lots and lots of wasted potential.
i don't know why i still watch it really, it's just not very good
He was supposed to be hurt and angry, like a man watching his world be destroyed would be... but instead he was Sean Connery in Indianna Jones and The Last Crusade.
But he was Hurt so now I'm confused.
Minor quibbles aside, like the queen not being up to the standard the rest of the show set, I honestly don't know what they did wrong.
I meant fine, if it's not your cup of tea (and I can see why many people would find this) then you're never going to like it.
But as far as I can tell:
- The script was brilliant. No honestly, it was fine.
- The acting was great. Interplay between the 3 doctors executed perfectly.
- The overall story both stands on it's own as an episode but nicely, and ingeniously, ties up a tonne of loose ends.
- It still retained some mystery, I think it was important not to resolve absolutely everything.
- It paid homage to the past without shoving it down your throat every 5 minutes.
- Finding a way of getting all 13 doctors in, in the way they did, was a masterstroke.
So, yeah, it for kids, and big kids. You don't have to like what it stands for but that's quite different for slagging it off for not being what you want it to be. There are a fuck tonne of programs aired daily that come nowhere near how high this episode aimed and achieved. We have every right to applaud it.
Repeated a few old Moffat tricks and the zany intro felt pointless but loved the rest. Some sizzling dialogue, wonderful touches (400 year old sonic screwdriver calculations, Tennant shouting at a rabbit, how they wrote Rose in, the painting being bigger on the inside, Capaldis eyes, Clara having a place, the original theme, Hurts TARDIS design, the 3 way interaction) and tying up of loose ends. Even ridiculed himself ('Timey wimey? Why do you talk like a child, man?').
Reminded me of Pandorica opens (big production values, a trailer that hinted at an epic battle but in actual fact a very clever story that thrilled for its sense of fun and humanity, albeit with a few bits that don't really make sense or we've seen before like messages on walls).
Great one off special that as a long term fan seemed like one massive party. Bring on Capaldi!
which just seemed like a fanboy sop that managed to insult the actors who played all the other Doctors.
I can't imagine anyone who doesn't have a pretty decent knowledge of the show liking that episode at all though as it dealt with so many long-standing loose ends and issues. I'm not necessarily saying that it's a bad thing, but, as has been proved in this thread, the BBC have been hyping this up as a major event and you're going to get lots of one-off or casual viewers tuning in as a result and then slagging it off.
Having said that, Capaldi's eyes and the opening and closing credits were definitely the highlights of the whole show.
had some presence in this 50th anniversary stuff (Davison, Colin Baker and McCoy doing the very funny Five(ish) Doctors Reboot), not sure how Tom Baker's appearance was an insult to them.
if they have never followed Dr Who or don't know the back story behind the plot beforehand. But isn't this the case with a lot of other programs with an ongoing story arc?
I mean, Breaking Bad's final few episodes were unanimously praised, and rightly so. But it wouldn't have made much sense and wouldn't have been as enjoyable if you hadn't watched at least the final series beforehand and preferably the whole lot.
Surely this is a bit of an unfair criticism? As far as I can tell they did the best possible job of making it appeal to both long time fans and people who didn't know the show.
Hilarious little film about the Doctors who didn't get to be in the special. Watch until the end!
which I enjoyed a lot.
...but *that* was the fucking Time War that made galaxies burn?!
Also, it was just a story rambling on, where everything was just so mediocre in its 'excitement' and 'twist' that it all just seemed the same. I didn't care what happened next from minute-to-minute.
and they copped out at the end, because nothing ends and nothing dies.
slap in the face.
not a comprehensive documentary of all of it. Not sure I expected Star Wars or anything.
Didn't all the daleks die in the end? By effectively making Gallifrey disappear the daleks kills themselves I thought.
new star wars blaster fight, on a budget.
aside from the sky trenches, there was nothing special about what happened; if it was just down to daleks and time lords, that should have been when we saw all of the horrible weapons that almost ripped apart space and time.
When Rose turned the daleks and their god to dust at the end of series one, scattered a thought throughout time, brought a man back to life and made him unable to die because he was a fixed point in time and space: MORE of that. That was the power of one tardis and a human. the last days of the time war should have been epic, not a few fire-fights around the fringes of arcadia.
yes, they did, and don't get me started on what's wrong with that. i was paraphrasing the opposite of "everything has it's time, and everything ends/dies".
anyway, the daleks are back at christmas.
Fair enough really. Think I got what I wanted from it. Can see done wanting more
yeah, sorry, i don't think i realised how cheated i felt.
i don't think moffat does the big continuity stuff well. whereas the self-contained (or at least it should have been) "Blink" was one of the greatest pieces of television ever.
The trailer did hook people in thinking there'd be a huge battle but we got some guns going off. Sorta makes sense in the scheme of the Doctor loathing them but I hoped that Timelords would have huge staffs to fight with or Master like powers from the End of Time.
But that aside, the scenes looked great and the design of that central antenna city thing was amazing.
that Doctor Who has a blockbuster movie sized budget