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* england lose 1-0 to germany
* england u21 reverse lose 9-0 to san marino
* something in the fa cup
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The atmosphere was absolutely incredible. Absolutely everyone stood at first, many people got in late so loads of people were standing in the stairwells, the noise from the France supporters was so loud.
Thought France played out of their skins last night, if that doesn't restore pride in the national team I don't know what will. Sakho & Varane should definitely be their centre-back pairing from now on, I don't get why Sakho didn't play on the Friday, Abidal was awful and his poor defending letting the ball go over the top led to giving away the penalty but ah that's in the past.
Best atmosphere I've been a part of, won't forget that for a long time.
Good comeback though. Ukraine really do have a rotten playoff record (zero qualifications in five attempts now)
Unbeaten run of 17 games now, after playing 55 mins with 10 man in an ill-tempered match. Jeremain Lens sees red after being stamped on by Pablo Armero, who should have been sent off instead, as should Santiago Arias and Abel Aguilar in separate X-rated incidents.
Elbows flying everywhere.
pretty puleeze :)
It'll be far, far funnier watching them go to pieces and bitch at each other when the squad has been locked in a hotel together for three cloistering weeks than it would have been watching them go out on home turf to a decent but uninspiring side.
Portugal are far better value than Sweden, too. Can't wait to see Ronaldo's grump face when, having single handedly got Portugal into a half decent position, one of his chump team mates ruins it all in the 89th minute.
definitely the most entertaining player in the world. everything about him is amazing and/or ridiculous
but i take your point.
I'm not sure if I prefer it now that expectations of the national side are so bitterly low to when it was routinely expected that we'd win every tournament we entered. The depressing inevitability of failure was much easier to stomach after a good few months of complete delusion.
Germany didn't have to get out of second gear to win yesterday and never looked in any danger of losing once they'd taken the lead. Smalling and Cleverley are such bitterly depressing players.
Rooney was shocking though. As was Sturridge (who I really dont think is that great, even with loads of goals this season).
Wembley is amazing though #Adam
(As in the bit where you actually sit and look at the sport). The rest of it is vile, feels like walking round an airport.
we were quite high up and still had a pretty amazing view
...we all think that we're a pretty average team and there are very low expectations, but then the team gets booed off the pitch when they fulfil those low expectations and lose 1-0 to Germany.
Think we've got enough incredibly average lightweight midfielders not to have to take Cleverley. Smalling can't do any worse at rightback than Walker can I guess.
Maybe it was just because Germany couldn't really be arsed, but the right wing of Townsend and Walker was much more defensively robust than you'd expect.
I'm assuming because he likes the pure exhilaration of racing up the flank before he has to think about anything.
given the amount of times they gave away the ball.
1 shot on target = 1 goal. Good work lads, I'll take that.
A bit sad though that all we've got to look forward to is the Euro 2016 draw early next year now.
and get humped 5-1 again, but aye ;)
But I'm sure the quality of the opponents make a huge difference. It's all to do with average points gained per match I think - i.e. if you get a huge win after playing a friendly against a shite team instead of a draw against a decent side it might not help your cause.
Anyone able to explain?
beating Croatia or Macedonia away during the qualifiers, because qualifiers (even dead rubbers) are considered more worthy than friendlies. But friendlies by and large are still ranked (this was: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24907655) so an away win will add to those aforementioned results meaning we have, objectively, improved from last years results, meaning an improved Fifa ranking and potentially higher seed, other teams' results pending.
If we're in pot 3/4 for next time, can't really complain.
All I can garner from this:
Is that if we get bumped up a few places in the rankings next time round we could be in pot 2 for Euro 2016 qualifiers (assuming they have 9 teams per pot again).
/whoever gets in pot 3 should that happen would be better than us
last month, so these results could put us in the high 20s?! Madness.
so that's not that surprising
Jesus, when was the last time we managed that?!
On a bit of a roll (jesus when the fuck did i last say that about scotland), so it's a pity we need to wait about 10 odd months till our next competitive match.
But pretty chuffed with the direction we're going in! Obviously, that's a pretty daft thing to say, particularly when you can't go any lower! :)
even when they could have qualified
and drew. I can see it now in 2016, Gibraltar 0 England 0 which seals Hodgson's fate
the government would just let Spain have Gibraltar to avoid it.
No one's ever managed it. No one's ever even managed to score against them. Frightening record.
Burkina Faso?! Disputed Zone? Who's calling all these crazy places?!
thought the England Germany game yesterday was ok, some nice link up play, we closed them down really well and won the ball back (only to give it back far too cheaply) but it's all promising. I much prefer this England to anything over the past 10 years
Jagz was excellent. Another nice performance from Lallana.
Smalling was bobbins, has he had much game time at Utd this season (at CB expecially) to warrant a starting place at centre back?
Thought that was the best I've seen Rooney play for England in years
but our ball retention is really terrible. Germany were so much better at keeping and protecting the ball than we were, it didn't feel like we could string more than about 4 passes together.
a few at RB.
nothing wrong with playing a young player in these sort of games, but i'd have chosen caulker over him
I think if we had an actually decent defensive midfielder instead of Carrick and/or Gerrard pretending he's Pirlo, and a decent partner for Rooney, we'd almost look dangerous. Would've liked to see Lambert given more of a roll of the dice given how shite Sturridge is. Hart once again showed he has reflexes the equal to anyone's in the world coupled with the decision-making of a drunken labrador.
Everything about the way Smalling was ambling towards that bouncing ball suggested he was going to make an utter hash of it, so I understand why Hart thought he should deal with it himself.
that was brilliant though, TALK FOR FUCKS SAKE
he doesn't seem able to trust anyone else with situations like that, and consciously or not he's constantly chasing the limelight. If it had resulted in a German goal, even if it would have been mostly Smalling's fault it would be remembered as another Hart blunder.
Someone mentioned in yesterday's thread that they should have a 32nd team made up of players who aren't in any of the others. Who'd be in this team then? Keep it to one per country to make it a bit challenging.
Piszczek - Agger - Subotic
Bale - Hamsik - Mkhitaryan - Sahin- Farfan
Zlatan - Vucinic
As you can probably tell it's all happening at my work today.
Kjaer - Skrtel - Nastasic
Hamsik - Kvist - Turan - Pitroipa
Konoplyanka - Zlatan - Lewandowski
Kvist out, Bale in.
Kjaer instead of Agger is probably a good shout. Never heard of Pitroipa. Originally had Lewandowski but took him out to make room for Piszczek because it's much easier to find strikers than defenders.
You also have two Slovakians (Skrtel and Hamsik).
they missed out ramsey tho.
Alaba is a decent shout though.
Hamsik out for Farfan.
Pitroipa is Burkina Faso's star man. He's more in out of fondness than ability.
Ramsey - Ramsey - Ramsey - Ramsey
Ramsey - Ramsey - Ramsey - Ramsey
Ramsey - Ramsey
it'd be like you suddenly sticking up for Spurs
support is a strong word really. we put orange tops on and got pissed when they played.
Come on you All Whites! Undefeated at South Africa 2010, reckon 2014 is going to be their year!
can't be bothered
I've just fired up the website now, but before the draw can commence, I've a few youtube videos of dignitaries and former players giving speeches to get through. Somewhere in the middle of these, I've got a samba band playing Mais que nada.
By my reckoning, the draw should be complete by about 3pm.
9 points here we come!
have dispatched cameroon and italy (who beat england).
belgium got found out by argentina in the quaters, who went on the beat brazil 2-0.
germany finally beat spain in the quarters, do switzerland on pens and then win it beating argentina in the final.
kyle walker was sent home in disgrace after being filmed in a rio nightclub on the eve of the first game.
no need to bother watching it now.
Sheeeit is all fucked up
Group A: Brazil, South Korea, Algeria, Greece
Group B: Germany, Costa Rica, Chile, Italy (oo-er, good group)
Group C: Colombia, Stupid Mexico, France, Portugal (even better group!)
Group D: Argentina, Honduras, Cameroon, Netherlands
Group E: Uruguay, Australia, Nigeria, England (!)
Group F: Belgium, Japan, Ecuador, Russia
Group G: Switzerland, USA, Ivory Coast, Bosnia-Herzegovina
Group H: Spain, Iran, Ghana, Croatia
A spectacular extravaganza of music, dancing and technical mishaps. I'm pleased to be able to bring you the draw.
Group A: Brazil, Australia, France, Russia
Group B: Argentina, Japan, Nigeria, Italy
Group C: Switzerland, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Greece
Group D: Colombia, USA, Algeria, England
Group E: Belgium, Mexico, Ivory Coast, Portugal
Group F: Spain, Iran, Chile, Netherlands
Group G: Uruguay, Honduras, Ghana, Croatia
Group H: Germany, S.Korea, Cameroon, Bosnia
Expect much paper talk about how amazingly England are pitted against USA and Algeria for the 2nd World Cup in a row. Group F has been given the "Group of Death" mantle. The hipsters have decided to watch Group E matches.
Group C has been cancelled.
Uruguay, Japan, Netherlands, France
Kick 'em out Sepp!
how much success/misery have you had in your life as a fan? you can start it from when you were born or whenever you think is a relevant point, for whatever reason. for me roughly 2002.
-2 lost play off final
-1 lost play-off semi
+1 world cup QF
-going out in group stages of automatically qualified euros.
-3 lost world cup qualifiers
20 years of yo-yo-ing between the conference and the last division
the best league win ever
chris kiwomya and eddie mcgoldrick
the not so invincibles
aaron ramsey FC
10 years of the golden twats
the shittest england side for years
'20 years of winning everything...the end'
+ Champions League
+ FA Cup (2x)
+ League Cup (3x)
+ UEFA Cup
+ Super cup/cup winners whatever (2x)
+ Charity shield (2x)
- Lost Champions League final
- Lost FA Cup finals (2x)
- Lost League cup final
- Finished second in the league once by 2 points
Going to start from roughly 2000. I was aware of our promotion in 95, but wasn't really that interested then.
+ 2 play off final wins
- 2 relegations
- 1 play off final loss
- 3 play off semi-final losses
- 2 Johnstons Paint Trophy northern area final losses
+ 1 last day staying up
- 3 relegations
- 2 administrations, one very nearly going bust
- couple of times quite nearly dropping out of football league which would've resulted in having to move stadium or go bust
+ 1 cup final (got thrashed but still)
+ 1 wembley promotion
actually works out ok. just the 11 year spell in the middle was difficult
and since then:
+ 9 league titles
+ 5 league cups
+ 7 Scottish cups
+ 1 UEFA Cup final
+ loads of great European nights
+ Henrik Larsson
- Rangers winning all the other league titles
- Losing the UEFA Cup final
- Various other normal disappointments
+ going to Euro 96 and France 98
- Everything else
National titles: 25
FA Cup (or equivalent): 19
Community Shield (or equivalent): 12
Intercontinental Cup: 2
European Cup/Champions League: 4
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1
UEFA Cup: 1
UEFA Super Cup: 2
European Championship: 1
No proper misery in the vein that, say, yourself or a Pompey fan might have. But then I'm a moving target for bile, disdain and snarkery when something goes only slightly, relatively wrong.
Getting dicked on by United in the '94 FA Cup final is what turned me properly on to football and supporting Chelsea- my dad never quite understood why crushing defeat worked when years of trying to buy me with gifts were ignored. Should be a - really but just being there (and being fucked over by a proto-Webb) was a huge + at the time.
Munich is, to date, the best day of my life whatsoever. The 'fucking disgrace' and Terry slip broke me for weeks at the time but I couldn't give a flying fuck about either now.
but too young to remember getting relegated and almost disappearing completely in the 80s.
Finished 3rd in the top flight, behind Liverpool and Arsenal, Liverpool's ban from Europe was lifted a year early after the season finished, so we missed out :(
Beat Liverpool 4-3 in the FA Cup semi final
FA Cup runners up to Manchester United (if we had won, Ferguson was gone)
Other FA Cup and League Cup semi final appearances
Zenith Data Systems Cup Winners. 4-1 vs Everton.
First Division/Championship Winners
Four Championship (second tier) playoff final wins.
Two final day wins (away to Stockport and Sheffield Wednesday) to prevent relegation to League 1.
One Playoff final defeat
Two Playoff semi final defeats
Only surviving one season in the Premier League. But to those that know that football existed before the Premier League we did survive three seasons.
slightly before my time but Norwich qualified 4 out of those 5 years!
+ Become first English team to beat Bayern Munich away (more or less my first game of football)
+ Last team to Win "Division 1" title
+ Back-to-Back Promotions courtesy of our man Paul Lambert
+ Beating Man United twice!
- Losing Playoff Final
- Relgated from Premier League
- Relegated from Championship
- Defeated 7-1 by Colchester on opening day of League 1.
All pretty small time. SDD covered Scotland.
+ Won Last Division 1 title
+ Being in the SPL (same thing)
- nope, all good stuff here
Started in 1992.
-1 lost play-off semi
+1 won playoff final (definitely the best way to go up - a trophy at Wembley!!)
+ leading vialli's chelsea 1-0 in the FA cup 4th round with a debutant 21-y/o keeper
- vialli diving (as admitted by everyone on MOTD as well) in the last minute to get an equalising penalty
+ taking the lead in the 4th minute of the replay
- getting spanked 4-2 in Mikael Forssel's first game.
+ beating swindon (local rivals) in pretty much every game we play against them at the moment.
+++++++ seeing dicanio get sent-off in our last game against them
+ currently being top of the league
- knowing we'll end up in mid-table
or am I thinking of Cambridge?
2 promotions (2005 and 2012)
3 last-day survivals (1996, 2008 and 2013)
the 1993 fa cup semi-final, the 2008/2009 derby double and beating the snorters to automatic promotion in 2012
league cup run to the semis in 2001/2002 despite being utterly, utterly shit :'D
2 cup final defeats (1993, fuck off arsenal)
3 relegations (2000, 2003 and 2010)
the club's board suing its own supporters (2007)
nearly going out of business altogether (2010)
+3 promotions (twice from the third into the second tier and two play off finals including Wembley '09 when we finally reached the Prem)
-2 relegations (both being sent straight back down)
+ being able to regularly beat Preston in our "second" local derby.. we now seem to have shut them up for good
- being used as a disastrous dummy run for Chris Waddle's management "ability"
+ beating Derby away in the 1999 FA Cup as a L1 side (it's the one nobody remembers though because Manyoo quit to play in the Brazil World Club Cup)
- completely screwing up our Premier League campaign by appointing Brian Laws (sacked by Scunthorpe today I'll have you know!)
+ that amazing cup run of 2008-09 where we beat Fulham/Arsenal/Chelsea on penalties at Stamford Bridge before heartbreak against Spurs in the semi
- not having beaten our fiercest local rivals in 34 years (the 5-0 drubbing at Ewood Park in 2001 was particularly grim)
+ ensuring Ian Wright's career ended on a high
- ensuring Gazza's career (in England) ended by missing out on the playoffs by a goal (Severed will remember this fondly)
+ being responsible for the best times and some of the most glorious people I've ever met
- being responsible for the worst times and some of the vilest cunts I've ever met.
I guess most football teams are like the last two, though, so wouldn't worry.
Is that the year Norwich got in?
Thanks for mentioning a Burnley player in a positive light. Not something we see much in the national media, as the London Metropolitan Elite thinks we're.. er.. Barnsley.
for large parts of the Germany game. Yes there was nothing approaching a threat on goal, but the passing, movement and defending last night were absolutely excellent.
it's not that bad a thing to think is it?
KieConno @Kie_Con1991 19h
Put a tenner on Lewandowski to score for Germany! Easy winnings!
I'm not sure how Moody would fit in either. Moddy was brought in as a Sporting Director, dealing with transfer targets, scouting etc. The aim originally to get a young coach, I cannot see Pulis being happy with a Sporting Director type person.
The friend I go to football with despises Pulis and said he probably won't be renewing next year. I may end up doing the same.
I'm also worried about our youngsters not getting chances, Johnny Williams especially.
He wasn't interested originally thinking we were a lost cause (fair enough I'm not disagreeing) and he wanted too much money. I'm not sure whats changed, i'd rather get a younger manger.
for suggesting Pulis' appointment might see me not renewing!
Good point, yours was more a definite. If my friend didn't renew (and I told him the same as I told you), I would want to renew, but going on my own probably wouldn't appeal so much.
The last four weeks have worn me down. I'm shocked we've come full cirlcle with Pulis.
i despair at the modern football supporter sometimes.
what happened to thick & thin?
But he still likes depriving the turf accountants of a few ale tokens at the weekends.
I've been as season ticket holder since 1988, bar a couple of years when I worked weekends. I've had plenty of thick or thin being a Palace fan.
I probably will renew, my mate probably won't, but I've only been going with him since we got in the Premiership last time.
I've done a season going alone before, I'll probably do it again.
You can't get much lower than a season of Peter Taylor football.
they bin off the current/former Arsenal players and y'know, do alright again for a bit.
Love when Samir Nasri becomes an ex-Arsenal player for trolling purposes.
Bet Nike were crossing their fingers a bit before the playoffs, mind. Probably wouldn't have sold many of them if France hadn't been in the World Cup.
but he might find this of interest in relation to his comments about smoke bombs at football matches the other day: