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That came around quick, didn't it?
thoughts, predos? Mitchell Johnson lols?
What a man.
not gonna stop spinning my prayer wheel though. bairstow as keeper is proper heebie jeebies territory.
hope carberry goes well, that 150 in the warmups was very impressive, shite opposition like. i heard they make him change all the lightbulbs in the team hotel - TOP BANTS. really don't understand cricket boards putting up weak sides for the tour games, india did the same.
the little bit of our bowling i saw tremlett looked way down on pace, finn seems to have been bowling as many bad balls as he was in the home series. i know he's a bit of a liability in the field but i'd be leaning towards rankin. good to see broad still has his tail up.
And was in the County Championship last year, he was sub 80 a lot of the time for Surrey.
I'm all for the Tremlett of the last Ashes series playing for us but if he's not bowling mid 80's, I go for one of the other 2. None have set the eorld alight so far.
if they do go tremlett it seems defensive, scared of having someone who can be hit out of the attack and putting the burden on the other three. if nothing else he's always been economical.
I guess there's a lot of guesswork going on though. It used to be the papers could effectively name the England team a few days in advance whereas in recent times they seem to get it wrong more often than not if any spot is up for grabs (e.g. Kerrigan and Woakes at the Oval).
fingers tied in knots, the admittedly little i've seen of bairstow's keeping looked average at best.
Id say lunch was a good time to call stumps
What's everyone's bag SKY or TMS?
WTF is that all about?
because Australia is hosting the next Cricket World Cup in early 2015. The normal intervals will resume after this.
So I can get back and watch a fair chunk of play, go to bed in the small hours and wake up late.
I won't be tired for work and can watch plenty of cricket. Win-win!
Brisbane's in the middle of this weird cycle of five days of massive afternoon storms, with a couple days of fine weather in between. Storms are sposed to start up again on Thursday so it'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Pitch should be lively as hell after all the rain if nothing else.
Pessimistically expecting England to pants Australia across the series. The Gabba is a weird one in that a draw is usually as good as a win for the touring team (see last Ashes over here). For all the decent-ish form we showed in the ODIs in India, can't see evidence of much changing on the test front.
Hope Bailey does alright. Sick of Shane Watson's fat grumpy face already.
he really does look like playing international cricket is nothing but a burden, walks like he's carrying himself on his back.
Dunno if the selectors would have enough confidence in Faulkner's test batting to leave Watson out. There has been a bit of talk about playing Faulkner instead of Lyon. I guess if the weather continues it could become more likely, but I doubt they'd go down that route.
Would love to see Faulkner manage to establish himself at some point though. His ODI and domestic form has been ranging from very good to ridiculous for a while now.
permabaffled at the disdain cricket australia have for lyon, seem to take any opportunity to have him out of the side, is it public opinion too? he's always looked very handy to me.
took an instant dislike to faulkner, might be just how much warne tongues him but he seems a bit of a whopper too. surprised he takes so many wickets but his batting has looked frightening on occassions. your seamers all seem to have ridiculous first class averages.
For both selectors and the public. Unsurprisingly a lot of people still dream of the days of having two of the most potentially damaging spinners in the game around at the same time for a decade, so anyone that doesn't seem to have the ability to win a series on their own back is immediately treated with suspicion. Lyon's definitely the most promising around/has been for a while though. I think the media's on his side which helps (although may be just because they can't wait to trot out the fairytale of him playing at the Adelaide Oval after being one of its groundsmen for a while).
Yeah Faulkner's always been on the side of youthful exuberance in domestic cricket to the point of being really likeable, especially when compared to some of the other utter bellends in Australian cricket. Was interesting to see him get into mouthy mentality once he started making the step up though haha. Might be a little biased as he appears to be someone who might be able to actually swing the ball without breaking down with a stress fracture every 3 overs (I'm sure we've still got Pat Cummins tucked away in some Sydney rehab clinic until he can injure himself in a meaningless 20/20 match).
The only problem with Nathan Lyon as a test match bowler is that he isn't Shane Warne. He is a perfectly decent test match spinner.
Better than Giles, Tufnell or Panesar IMHO.
Lyons looks like he's had a hard life. Looks about 39.
Can't believe how little respect he gets from the selectors. Is he an absolute bell end or something?
He's just still a 20 year old with less than 20 first class matches under his belt and an average of 40.
Nah from what I've seen Lyon's probably one of the nicest people in Australian cricket. Maybe too nice or something. I think Australian selectors (of all people) tend to too easily fall into the trap of thinking that if a spinner's not going to blow open match then their role can potentially be filled by a pace bowler (speaking as an embittered off spinner).
you'd think the parable of brice mcgain would have convinced them that being consistently good isn't to be sniffed at.
Is more to do with the poor state of the wickets in Sheffield Shield cricket more than anything else.
It's ultimately going to harm Australian cricket in the long run. You have to learn how to graft and excellent batting tracks in test cricket.
saw that jackson bird takes them at 20. don't think my eyebrows have come down since.
swings both ways doesn't it, you only have to look at the quick bowling stocks in india right now.
Yes, they do have a good record there but lets not forget that England's last test innings there was 517/1d.
then it should be a close series, otherwise....Aussies to lose 4-1 at best
Working nights at the moment and have a night off. Will be up as late as I can be.
They still haven't 100% confirmed Prior's playing, have they? He must be though, if we haven't heard by now, right? *crosses fingers*
Who do we reckon the third seamer's gonna be? Should've taken Onions, obvs, but with that Irish fella being a newbie and Finn being a leaky bastard, I'm guessing they're gonna go with Tremlett as a safe pair of out-of-form hands.
Please state the number of runs...
Either bowling or batting, it doesn't matter.
Lyon in. Saving everyone from shot after shot of Steve Smith looking sweaty and exasperated.
Not sure what Tremlett's done to get in, thought Finn had done enough
He'll get bounce, but at the moment doesn't have the pace he did 3 years ago.
he's around 80mph at the moment isn't he? Find out in a minute I guess
This England attack's all about building pressure through stifling runs. Finn may have the all-time-second-best figures for a visitor bowling at the Gabba, but apparently that's not what Andy Flower's looking for.
I know he's not massively fast, but all the guy does is take wickets. Just constantly. And not just at Chester-le Street, either.
Hope Tremlett proves everyone wrong and has been saving himself for this series. For about three years.
Y'know, low-and-skiddy length-bowling rather than the tall-fast-and-bouncy option offered by all of Tremlett, Rankin & Finn (and I guess Broad, to some extent). I know that the latter's meant to work better in Aus, but did we really need three (/four) near-identical goliaths? What happens if Plan A doesn't work?
On the other hand, he wouldn't have been played even if he'd made the squad, so at least they haven't carted him over there to carry drinks.
Surely there was room instead of one of the beanpoles? Since they were only ever going to play one of them.
Definitely wouldn't have played this test, but if TremRanFin had been rubbish he might have made the second test team.
Bit moot now though.
So all three beanpoles will be watching from the side.
Warner and Watson should be entertaining
All aboard for the Watson lbw express.
Just getting that in there now to save time.
Shame he's not half an inch taller...
I think fielding (and fitness) is pretty much the only reason we've gone from crap to good in the last 10 years. We've always had good bowlers and shot-makers, but now we can make a game out of it by adding pressure and bagging half chances.
Bell's superb under the helmet, but our slips are really pretty average.
I think in general there's been a massive increase in fitness and fielding ability in English cricket in general, than that's been a underrated and significant benefit to the England team.
Of course his only other mode is drunken plank.
Although I suppose that fits into both.
That's why Prior's so valuable. Well, one of the reasons.
mainly cause athers is the greatest. on sky anyway.
TMS is always ahead of the TV. Harbinger of doom
But then I did play a lot of Donkey Kong as a child.
Though Clarke & Warner on a flat pitch could be a long afternoon
no internet no telly since half past lunch. good work bellends.
great to see the taking-wickets-with-filth version of broad back in action.
It's all a bit Black Knight in The Holy Grail. And their rinse of Piers Morgan was fantastic.
Showing an actual sense of humour about the whole thing.
All I ever see of Piers Morgan on twitter is him making some smug, self-important, juvenile remark and then getting absolutely bent over by the recipient.
LOL. looks like a road to me. I know you shouldn't judge until seen both teams bat.
with "I belong to Evil Sean Adams" written on it.
the trott, root, prior & bell dismissals were all awful.
Fuck me that's sweet.
Looks like Australia will be batting first and second innings on the same day.
England All Out 136 (52.4) / Australia All Out 295 (97.1)
let them win the first test just so the boom/bust cycle's all the more funny.
That was dire. Not quite sure why Mitchell Johnson is being lauded as the new Michael Holding by various commentators this morning. He bowled quick but half his deliveries were still wayward and I didn't see anyone's stumps go cartwheeling.
The vast majority of wickets so far this Test have been batting mistakes rather than great bowling. Still think it's gonna be a tight series, but I'm definitely coming round to the view that the standard of cricket being played by both sides is pretty poor.
Very good captaincy by Clarke though and a strong bowling performance by his four frontline bowlers today. Broad and Anderson looked shattered just at the thought of having to bowl again so soon, which is a big blow. England's best chance now might actually be a large Aussie second innings total on a flattening pitch and the chance to salvage a draw.
his third & fourth spells were very good, before lunch he was dire. agreed with everything otherwise, never seen so many out like that and it's even more frustrating that they were largely back of a length balls rather than genuine bouncers. don't want to focus on anyone else, we all know a collapse is a capricious & powerful thing, but trott really needs to have a look at his game, getting out to a left arm over bowler bowling well outside leg is appalling stuff, especially at that stage of the match.
can't see any optimism in your last sentence, clarke wont set more than 500 even if there are two days left.
It wasn't intended as optimism! Just an idle thought that bowling Australia out for 200 might be the easiest way to guarantee defeat whereas letting them get to 350 and some rain might make a draw possible. More desperation than optimism.
And completely agree that Johnson bowled well - just felt that hearing Agnew describe it this morning as "the most fearsome spell of fast bowling in many a year" was completely absurd. He certainly hasn't been watching South Africa recently if that's the case, or Stuart Broad at Durham 3 months ago for that matter.
Broad was batting. Hardly even had the chance to register how bad that meant things were with my sleep-fuddled brain before Root edged to slip.
Went back to bed.
Pretty sure I'm going to be mildy irked all day now.
Set my alarm to wake me up so I could listen to the last session of the first day of the first test on TMS. Woke my girlfriend up as well, who didn't appreciate the importance of the occasion and got in a temper. Got kicked out of bed (probably fair) and went to listen downstairs. House was freezing. Australia were about 250-1 with Hayden splattering our guys about, finished up about 370-2.
That there's probably a whole generation of England fans who have grown up thinking that England winning the Ashes is comparatively normal. Australia haven't won a series in England since 2001.
Days like today should soon sort them out though.
listening to TMS, much better
sounded like he was panicking
Partly down to the games being played during our nightime. Partly down to the series being played so soon after the previous one. Bringing it forward was a terrible, terrible idea.
what's going on?
It hasn't even started raining yet.
fuck em anyway i'm going to bed.
and promoting root to number 3 - and bring in compton or balance at 6.
why is root not being dropped? i know he's mega talented etc... but apart from that big score against australia he's been rank
it'd be a disaster for english cricket if we go back down the road of dropping promising young players after their first sticky patch.
i don't really want to see anyone dropped but i don't know why trott should be left out ahead of root, was my point. yeah trott's on a bad run but he is a wonderful batsman and deserves as much time as root, at least.
so why would you ignore it. if there's talk of trott being dropped it's for how he's looked and how he's getting out as much as the scores he's making. he's clearly got a huge technical problem at the moment; clarke's found him out.
i love the guy, he's honestly one of my favourite sportsmen, but it's that definition of madness thing, he keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
and you have answered it.
of course it's all irrelevant now.
all reads a bit aggro that, been in a bad mood.
You're rarely going to hold wicket for two whole days, or successfully chase over 500. Bit of R&R for the bowlers is a good idea.
hope the second test is a decent contest, by happy coincidence I've got a few days off around then so I can go full nocturnal and that.
A shame for Trott, I hope he makes a good recovery. Warner must be feeling a bit stupid - although his comments shouldn't really be judged in the context of Trotts illness - he obviously wasn't aware.
i feel bad about at least 50% of my posts in this thread now. hope he can get better. remind me not to listen to anything boycott says for the next couple months.
Boycott's and old school bonehead.
NAIL EM UP I SAY! NAIL SOME SENSE INTO EM!
I hate that he's become the main analyst on TMS. It'll be much better when he's gone, and we don't have to listen to him making the same point over and over for an hour at a time, usually tying it in to how he would be responding if he were in the middle.
Giving it the big'un after the situation he was in during the summer.
"I think he's a bit gobby for someone who's only made a few centuries. You'd have thought he was Don Bradman."
I don't think anyone who was frustrated by Trott's 'performances' should feel guilty for commenting on that. I thinks people were fair to be concerned because Trott was obviously struggling, and it's part of sport to discuss these things. Most people (including people who were probably in the know, like Strauss) focussed on technical issues and how Trott would have to work on that - but it's obviously a wider issue than just technique.
Warner made it personal, and about fear, which I think opponents and pundits should be careful about discussing when they clearly don't know the facts.
I don't think Warner should be let off completely. The possibility of something like this is why most professional sportsmen have the respect for their counterparts not to make the sort of comments he did.
Not Trott, by the way, but this:
Christ, imagine if the Aussies got all prickly and precious every time they copped a serve from Fleet Street.
Given this obvious brittleness, I'm predicting a 4-0 result (Adelaide the draw).
it is incredible rich for the aussie cricket team and media to suggest stuart broad and the england team are arrogant. they've been those exact kind of total dickheads for years!
A touch of arrogance, swagger and cunt is pretty common in winning teams. Although, Broad obviously comes in for a bit of special treatment because he's a cheat.
so did waugh, so did border.
Umpires are there to do a job, and apart from Gilchrist I'm hard pressed to think of too many international cricketers who have walked in recent times.
looks a bad move that but if they feel trott has been unfairly treated by the aus media i can understand them wanting to stick by him. could have done it better by telling them to all get fucked, like. backing kelvin to smash yous at adelaide now.
It's more KP and Broad who have become the objects of derision.
but it's being reported over here that there've been some pretty nasty headlines & stories.
Otherwise we'll be deprived of him bowling his offies and the commentators discussing "driving root through the covers".
But there was a bit of discussion about it upthread. Really just wanted to work in my "root in the covers" joke.
but I don't think any of the top five are getting dropped now, unless they maul a load of fielders or something.
But I quite like that about him. He's so obviously a weapons grade handpump that it's almost enjoyable.
Michael Clarke also going overboard with being a dickhead to try and make up for the fact that he's a proper "metrosexual" man in Australia and they weren't ever really sure about him because of that.
Seems like our batting has been woeful for bloody ages now though. I mean we won the Ashes last time, but momentum appears to have been shifting for a while. Bit weird how that's happened.
Personally, I think we're at the point we have to accept we don't have an exceptional top order. We have a group of very decent batsmen who happened to all hit the form of their lives in one 18-month period.
Really glad we got to see it, though. It was awesome.
Best I've ever seen.
If root bats at three I will cry
Bell's said he can handle playing at 3 and I'd rather see a more experienced head like him at 3 than Root.
having two young lads and prior in current form at 5,6,7 might be a bit soft. not sure it'll make a huge difference either way. england are at 11/4, draw favourite. presume that means there's rain about.
but given that Bell basically carried us through the summer and won the Ashes pretty much single-handed, I'd have thought he deserved to be given the choice
He's said he wanted first drop, I said I'd have given him whatever position he asked for, from 1-11. It'd have been 3-0 the other way without him last time, we owe him the chance to prove himself.
does aus have more than one time-zone?
Thanks to QLD for some reason not having daylight saving. Something about upsetting the cows up up north.
Queensland - Eastern standard time
NSW, Vic, ACT, Tas - Easter summer time
NT - Central standard time
SA - Central summer time
WA - Western standard time
I think QLD not adopting daylight saving is less to do with the cows (that's the WA excuse - they get confused about milking time), and more to do with the fact that a fair old chunk of the state is in the tropics where you get close to a 12 hour day/12 hour night all year long.
Same reason why Darwin doesn't bother with it.
And even bolder to chuck Monty in. I like it.
Would have put big money on "safe pair of hands" Bresnan being in.
Yeah, I think I like it too.
it's just good to see them doing something unexpected. Although hopefully it's not just them rolling the dice in panic.
Monty's a bit fragile at the best of times, and after this summer probably even more so. But on the other hand... fuck it, why not.
bring in an extra seamer cos they;re tonking swann: fair enough. bring in panesar too: dunno.
feel strangely confident though, think we're gonna mug em.
New drop in pitch could lead to something like that from either side again. There have been some ridiculous scores in the recent Shield matches there. If Phil Hughes can knock out 200 on it there's hope for most . Cue a bowler's match.
Cricinfo's been banned at work. Boo hiss etc.
He's found fitness and form and has experience.
Rain stops play.
there's too tight a turnaround between this and Perth for Timmy B to play both, and they'd rather have him at the latter.
On one level that makes sense, but id rather focus on winning this test and then worry about the next one
Apparently Monty's batting has improved quite considerably (according to the man himself). So I assume they've brought him in to strengthen the batting line-up.
3 consecutive maidens and 1 run from the last 4 overs.
Hit post reply and monty gets tonked for 6.
You going next weekend, Chuck?
Busy with kids etc. Really got to get on to it for next year, haven't been since Tendulkar scored a ton (maybe, not sure might have only been 80 odd, but me and my then two year old got on TV when he smashed a four down to where we were sitting).
What about yourself? If I remember rightly you can get free tickets through a brother-in-law or some other relo? Should be great with Mitch steaming in, hope they make it a traditional Perth belter pitch.
Can't justify spending four or five days at the ground, tho. Family and all that.
bowling, lad. knock them over in 4 sessions and it might be a game.
Bat them into oblivion I say, maybe declare at tea tomorrow at 7/1000 (or when Mitch brings up his first double ton).
whole bowling attack was poor that session, barring the lad stokes who went very nice indeed. swann really needs to go over, so easy to milk him off length from around. especially worrying from jimmy though, it's the perfect match situation to crank it up a bit & rotate the seamers in 4 over bursts but he's struggling to hit 80. not doubting the great man or owt but he's certainly looked his age the past 5 tests or so.
Than to do it to the Aussies. Lovely captaincy idea from Cook, and people say he doesn't think outside the box enough.
Onto Perth we go. 1-1, all to play for. I'd bring Bresnan in for this one for sure.
that it's December and he can shave now
Johnson is having a cracking game.
I liked Mitch a lot better* when he bowled like a drunk Malinga.
*Actually didn't like him then either
think the batsmen will be going to monty for tips on how to deal with the short ball?
"You've just dropped the Ashes, mate."
they call lyon lino. maybe the worst nickname in history.
I thought he was over-praised in the first Test, but he's absolutely at the top of his game now. This is very ominous indeed.
Really did rather enjoy watching Johnson tonight I must admit, despite myself.
Fingers crossed the final session will... ah, never mind
bit surprised. Maybe giving Johnson a rest?
and hand out a few 6 months bans for the antipodeans until the bants have died down?
Probably going to keep up with the anti-bants until the series is decided tbh.
I went to bed at 111-3 with Carberry and Bell playing pretty well, and woke up to... this.
And about 70-3 in the follow on.
Not that wide of the mark really...
This kinda stuff is what Nass gets paid for I guess.
...have challenged Piers Morgan to face Mitch in the nets when he gets here, he has tweeted 'any time!'
wanna smush his little face
Johnson owns this thread
Looking forward to being there on day 1 of the match in which Australia win back the ashes.
Not that I really care who wins. The only reason I get mildly enthused about Australia's performance is because so many in this thread get so parochial about the contest.
just saying that I'm not really that passionate about the Australian cricket team
But I can't help but take some joy from smashing the Poms. I quite like beating the Saffers and the Kiwis too, but nothing's as good as winning the Ashes.
and, to the extent that I followed the sport, actively barracked for the opposition.
his giant buttocks pointing proudly toward the square leg umpire is one of the great sights in world cricket. hope stokes has done enough to keep his spot, maybe draft big boyd in for monty at perth. still difficult to see where they're gonna get a big innings from. ahhhh.
You can start and stop looking at Bell. Although the one thing they can take from this game is they have had at least one innings which wasn't "Bell out, all out".
he's not a Test bowler, barely an international one even. File under: Meaker, Dernbach.
Assuming we don't give Graham Onions a grovelling apology call and promise never to make fun of his name again if he gets the next flight to Perth, team should be:
Pietersen and Root can provide occasional spin options, but ultimately we'll need 4 quicks and I'm hugely uncomfortable with Stokes at 6 or even 7. Tough call between Bairstow and Ballance but Bairstow will just get bombarded with short balls at Perth. Think Finn should be given a shot, he's potentially a massive threat on a quick pitch if he gets it right.
On paper, it's still a strong team, just hope they're not too mentally defeated after the last two Tests.
dern!? bach?! think yr rankin ranking's pretty off. he's improved so much in the past couple of years and there's so much possible upside to his game, completely fair to say he's not the finished article but he's pretty economical & takes wickets with a strike rate of 45 in first class cricket, that's extraordinarily good... it;s the same as onions!
Watching England warm up before the start of the match, their hearts just aren't in it. 2 days in this heat is going to kill them.
And now 2 fours in a row.
Rogers run out. 1/13
He was never looking comfortable.
that quinton de kock lad looks the best young batsmen to break through since... kohli maybe? his straight drive=warm feeling inside pants.
which is nice
Haddin out now. Controversial. Some would call it a no ball. 6/267.
Stokes really does need to stop doing that though
came back and they're 6 down. textbook soup card.
300 for the day (almost there) isn't too bad.
This was a catch in the NZ game with WI
got a bit of a thing for young trenter, tenfer as well i see. windies followed on every test not against zimbabwe this year.
hijacking the thread, but check out Boult's catch at 1:20:
(and his 10 wicket haul)
whitewashes, pathetic collapses, old friends! how I have missed thee!
This is fucking dreadful. Obviously the last result flattered England a little, but they still deserved to win. But they're just a spineless bunch of head-droppers now. Weren't they briefly the number one test nation recently? Need to pull their collective finger out and show some fight.
How can the Australian crowd boo Broad for not walking, when those arrogant, private schooled, smug, egotists, and sycophants in the Australia team never had the humble or sporting scope to ever walk. Or be gracious in defeat and respectful in success.
So I hope England come back and somehow do alright. It won't happen though. Shit captain with no attitude and no mongrel. Joe Root the only batsman with temperament. Broad the only guy who enjoys hurting the Aussies.
Come on England, shut these fucking sycophants and pricks in the Australian cricket fraternity up. Please. I can't live in an Australia smug on Ashes success.
dunno whether he's in terminal captain's decline or just having a bad year but that;s a dafty thing to say.
They've smashed us in a way I haven't seen since, well, the last time we went to Australia and they smashed us.
Cook really isn't a war time Captain, is he?
especially when it is so soon after the last Ashes. I just don't care about it. I wake up and check the score and that is it. I really don't care that we are being stuffed at all. Hopefully it is something that winds the Aussies up even more is how much we celebrate when we win and not care if we lose.
as somewhat sour grapes
I wonder if they feel the same way when they are playing in England. You have to admit, the summer seemed more of an event here and would have either way really.
Obviously it's better in the summer and when it's being played down the road, but I also enjoy watching it in the dead of winter. Something nice about putting the tele on at 6pm and watching a full day's play without haveing all that shit you do during daylight hours getting in the way.
ginge force 4evs
Fully expect Stokes to be gone soon, will either fall agonisingly short or be gone soon after getting his ton.
Probably be done by lunch time.
match should be forfeited to England if the aussies can't prepare a fit for purpose wicket. Only fair.
Stokes just gone.........
that's about all there is left to speculate over.
Just leave the question of whether we have to wait 1.5, 2.5 or 3.5 years for the next series.
Next series is England 2015. Don't quite follow what all the mucking about with dates is for, something to do with the world cup.
Australia versus Afghanistan
India vs some equally crap qualifier
India vs West Indies
The last one could be okay, but likely also to be the most packed, despite tickets costing $60 (!!!) even if you're a WACA member.
I'll be giving the whole thing a miss.
And I've just heard that there's no test next year. Only going to be four (don't even know who we're playing to be honest) and the WACA misses out. Not because of the 5th day cracks as big as ten ton mum's, but because the overall facilities are so shit apparently.
There can't be that much wrong with it.
completely outplayed us in every area. sort of happy for harris & siddle, not happy happy but yknow.
quality from stokes, people going on about him not being a number 6 probably have a point but he's a touch fucker and it's not like we've had any output from that position since colly went.
I thought this smacks of Colly. Which is about the highest praise I can pay a cricketer. Love that man.
though i will say colly never had an on-drive like stokes. with him and root coming through it's looking good for full nuggets if nowt else.
he's about 70
That was a perfect storm of Australia playing at their very maximum from the off and England completely imploding at every key moment of the three tests.
Gutted more that this might be the end of Trott/Prior/Swann, or at least the beginning of the end, as they've all been various levels of brilliant for England.
Like I say I'm going to back Stokes to become the new Collingwood.
Better team in literally every respect, and wanted it more. England had the demeanour of a team who thought they were going to rock up, win without trying and be on the beers by day 4. They got everything they deserved.
I will agree with Aggers however, this series has been played in an awful spirit by both side, and it needs to stop. I play low lever park cricket and over the last couple of years, I've seen a definite decline in standards of behaviour - it 100% filters down from the top. We even forfeited a game this season as we couldn't be bothered with the other team's behaviour.
Meaning he got tonked for 22 on his final ever over (by Watson). Surprised he didn't hang on to play on the SCG, traditionally a spinners wicket.
I was also surprised to see that he took 255 wickets at 29, pretty respectable for what I perceived as a hack, but reading on it says his worst bowling by far was against Australia (averages 39 against Aus, and 52 in Aus).
Anyway good luck to the bloke, is he likely bound for the commentary gravy train?
the fuck man? bloke was magic.
some chat that he jumped before he was pushed/dressing room in crisis/all sorts of guff, if that's true and flower thinks the mid/long-term answer is monty then may god have mercy on our souls. i'd say let super simon kegs have another go but literally no-one will agree with that. probly best to let your lot drain the remaining life from panesar and start afresh with the most promising kid in the summer.
bytheby when did piers morgan get so involved in cricket on the internet? every article i read has his little wormcunt face popping up.
great bowler, great slip, always fun when he was at bat and one of the few chinks of personality peeping from behind the dour curtain of england the past 6 or 7 years. the south africa away test that england won and him & monty together at mumbai last year stick in the mind most.
An honest toiler I suppose is what I meant. But I don't watch much of England outside of the ashes, so it seems we only get glimpses of what Swann's capable of producing.
do rashid & borthwick even bowl anymore?
moeen ali??? fucking hell
not danny briggs
His team has finally found a few wins and a bit of momentum. It'd be tough not to let him have his moment after the last few years of abject humiliation.
I don't really think of them as my team. To the extent I ever had a team it was Sri Lanka in the 90s. Having grown up with them as the minnows of world cricket it was easy to get around them as they improved to the point of winning the 96 (?) world cup. Won a lot of booze off work colleagues who thought I was a traitor/bonkers for backing them in against Aus in the final.
As Rob and I alluded to up there^, the Australian team has been eminently unlikable for some time. Check out this rogues gallery:
Matthew Haddin - always thought he was a total dickhead, although I have heard that off-field he's a likable family man.
Justin Langer - came across as dumb as dogshit, but probably was misleading. Far from the worst.
Damien Martyn - genuinely dumb as dogshit I'm sure, and a surly cunt to boot. It was a joy to watch him throw away his wicket with a pull shot time after fucking time.
Ricky Ponting - I remember seeing him as a young up and coming player and as a result of having so much smoke blown up his arse from such a young age turned into a completely arrogant fuckwit. His one redeeming personal quality is his passion for North Melbourne.
Michael Clarke - wanker. Just a complete tosser.
Steve Waugh - actually I really like him. But nobody is more responsible for the win at any costs attitude that would rear its ugly head in unsportsmanlike play, ugly sledging and general boorishness than Waugh. I think he was probably capable of drawing lines for himself that others couldn't.
Shane Warne - to borrow LLB's description of Swann, abject cunt.
Mark Taylor - boring fuckwit
Mark Waugh - thick as two short planks
I could go on, but the thing is, sad as it is I get more joy from England losing than Australia winning. Maybe. Apart from Watson, Warner and Clarke this lot seem OK, so maybe I should jump on board team Aus. Think I'd still be barracking for Sri Lanka if it came down to an Aus-SL final though.
Besides Langer and Gilchrist, the majority of the regular Australian side from mid-90s was pretty much unbearable.
Then again, my cricket watching hey day was throughout the 80s, with Australia and West Indies battling it out for dominance, so maybe I was spoilt.
Aussies in his day.
but an abject cunt. I've always found it pretty difficult to get behind a team with him in. If he goes into commentary then hopefully Sky, bad enough having Tuffers on TMS
Provides a decent counterpoint to the others.
Would rather get rid of Geoffrey "in my day, on uncovered pitches" Boycott than Tuffnell.
we just look like we can't be bothered to dig in at all. like they keep thinking they left the gas on and do stupid shit.
quite english conditions really, pity it's taken til the ashes are gone to pick up our game in the field.
idk if you call it good captaincy when the captain's natural inclinations align with the match situation and the pitch so well but cook was pretty much perfect. great from the bowlers, broad the pick again but anderson had his best day of the series.
did anyone see Piers Morgan face six bowls from brett lee? was that showed in England?
enjoyed warne trying over and over to get the crowd to give morgan a round of applause. was a pretty unedifying sight overall though, could have really been hurt, dunno why he's got anything to do with cricket beyond being unpleasant on twitter.
You fucking nobody, crim, cultureless, shithawk cunts. INGERLUUUUUUUUUUUN, IGERLUUUUUN, INGERLUUUN, INGERLUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!
SHUT UP SHUT UP
FUCKING HELL SHUT THE FUCK UP
4-0 You poms are pathetic
mediocre is to kind as turn is to wind, look inside the clock and it's me you'll find.
thinks Swann is a cunt.
That's how it works, right?
And we've gone with, erm, Cook (c), Carberry, Bell, KP, Ballance, Stokes, Bairstow (wk), Borthwick, Broad, Anderson, Rankin.
Thoughts? Or are we just trying to forget this whole sorry affair's ever happened?
and if one turns out ok then great. would have dropped carberry instead of root though.
Might not be entirely his fault due to being shunted around the order, but hard to argue with. Ok, Carberry's old and Root's "the future", but dropping him for a meaningless (in regards to the series) match that we're likely to get pounded in probably isn't the worst thing to happen to him.
Hope Borthwick doesn't get too battered about - he's obviously only been chosen for his batting, but with Root's spin gone he's going to need to do a holding role at one end at some point. Not sure exactly who the other two debutants would replace in a future lineup if they turn out ok though.
"I'm struggling to remember them all."
On the three debutants.
Also - I thought we'd drop Carberry and stick Root in to open for the future. Didn't think we'd bin him off. I worry for Borthwick and always feel sorry for Monty.
Australia hardly ever loses at the SCG, but when they do it's when there chasing a total batting fourth.
I think Root is an odd scapegoat too. Him and Bell should have swapped places in the batting order since Trott went home IMO.
leg before watson: the bloodening
But you can put a fork in Bailey, he's done.
This is becoming embarrasing. Would have been even worse had Watson not dropped the easy catch from Bell.
it's now got to the stage it's alien to think about a normal, competitive cricket game.
Hopefully not for the whole innings...
maybe even 50. every ball looks like a wicket.
If we're gonna be shite we may as well break some records.
is that Ben Stokes looks like he could turn into a quality all-rounder. Was impressed with his bowling last night, bowled a much better length than anyone else, and he's batting positively but with a good head on him. Ballance looked composed too, until he got a beauty from Lyon.
Just for fun, anyone want to hazard a guess at what the England team will look like next time we play an Ashes test (summer 2015)? Maybe something like:
Cook, Root, Bell, Morgan, Ballance, Stokes, Buttler, Broad, Anderson, Kerrigan plus one other seamer.
Could be Onions, could be someone like Overton or Topley coming through. Think Kerrigan will come good as an international spinner, just got thrown into the side a bit too early is all.
he doesn't look to want to play first class cricket any more, not seen enough of him to comment but sam robson seems to have been getting talked up by all the right people. think kp might be still hanging on.
agreed on kerrigan, won't be the last to get yips on debut and if he's given the chance he'll do well for england, found it strange that neither he or james taylor were taken on the EPP tour, hope it's a rest and they've not binned them off, think taylor's still get a test career in him.
really like what i've seen of overton, he's so young but you look at that action and my mind is screaming FLINTOFF! NEW FLINTOFF! SAVIOUR!
excited to have buttler up at our place but i just dunno if he's a wicket-keeper yet.
cook robson bell kp root stokes prior broad anderson onions kerrigan?
he's got a fair bit of class. Swap him in for Morgan then. And, tbf, Trott might well be back in the side by the summer.
but if Cook doesn't get his arse into gear he may well fall on his sword sooner rather than later.
Agreed on Stokes, the shiningest light in a miasma of shitfulness.
Are England seriously in full rebuild mode now? It just doesn't feel like they've been good enough for long enough to be in that position.
maybe afraid he'd get eaten.
warne was being completely disingenuous with regards to broad, 19 wickets at 27 when the rest of our bowlers are averaging 52 between them, three 30s in a tail that's been blown away every game. the thing about him not bowling after taking that hit on the toe from johnson being cowardly is just horseshit. he's had a good tour, one of two of england.
with the exception of Atherton
England has lost all 100 wickets. (Okay, it hasn't happened yet, but it's only a matter of hours, if not minutes away from happening.)
embarrassing from the senior batsmen again, not sure you can judge any of the new lads' failures too harshly. if there wasn't a world cup in aus on the horizon i'd be for benching all the top order for the one dayers.
sort my sleep out now at least.
Your boys took one hell of a beating!