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doing the smoking.
Never let anyone tell you otherwise. People only smoke it to try and be cool.
and helps you become more alive, when modern life has numbed you.
with mental health issues exacerbated by smoking that crap is feeling brilliant right now.
it has never ever made me feel violent.
I am sure that we can find many many things that cause happyness for some have caused abject misery for others
some people like driving in their cars.....and yet many people have been killed by car accidents......as you might put it "see cars arnt so big and clever now are they?"
some people like beer (more likely to make you violent).
some people like sugar (gives others diabetes).
some people like peanuts or just modern mass produced foods (causes anaphlectic (??) shock in others)
some people like capitalism and becoming very rich (makes others poorer and jealous so some of them become robbers)
some people like being competative and doing well and are successful with people and can attract all the boys/girls (can cause crushing feelings of inadequecy in some)
so you see, its all a bit more complex than the way you present it.
It is not a good idea for people to have it when they are in their teens, as it can can have very adverse effects......i normally do put a caveat along these lines......this time i didnt because i was just countering your mono simplistic pronouncement on it, which i countered with a simple (yet annecdotally sincere) mono pronouncement
I apologise for my missing off the caveat.
but you are being a bit more of a chump than me
my bad, if this is not the case.
Type 2 Diabetes is typically caused by obesity and lack of exercise etc and it causes insulin resistance, whereas in Type 1 no insulin is produce by the pancreas. Just had to clear up that it ain't specifically a sugar thing. I guess people just make the blood-sugar/glucose link and think that eating sugar specifically will cause diabetes.
Funnily enough tomorrow is World Diabetes Day!!!
Literally nothing, I'd say.
Most of my friends seem to have pretty bizarre dreams though.
and we did ultimate battle. he smoke a zoot whilst i explained my dream about going back in time and tricking hitler.
while on mushrooms or acid are often really interesting to listen to, I find.
Like a Bill Hicks moment of clarity.
But Ive smoked so much ganj since then I forgot what it was
that's pretty fucking tedious too.
They're the absolute worst.
people who take offence to those that complain about others getting annoyed about those who talk about their distaste for hearing people talk about talking about drugs
it might not kill you/exacerbate mental illness, but it might make you listen to reggae
harmless for most, triggers schizophrenia for a few but not necessarily the cause. known a couple of people to just become complete hermits because of it
become hopeless low-lives who do nothing but smoke weed, pretend to like reggae and wear tracksuits (to generalise a local stereotype). and it may just be local to me but there's a tragic trend of middle class white youths thinking weed is really cool and subtly pressuring each other into it, but they end up total slobs. one of my best friends as a child was really intelligent, ambitious, etc but fell in with the 'cool crowd' (ultimately the people who took loads of drugs) and now isn't going to university, bunked most of college and is rarely seen sober. i'm not saying university is where everyone should go and i'm not saying middle class white people should be doing 'better' than others. the initial comment about liking reggae/wearing tracksuits is just a marker of the changes in these people, not a dig at others. but what i am saying that weed - although physically harmless - has really serious effects on people in the longterm and i've seen it fuck up way way way too many people.
Agree with most of what you've said re. weed, I've seen a similar thing with a lot of my friends, but...
... i did say "i'm not saying middle class white people should be doing 'better' than others" - i was trying to avoid stereotypes and generalisations and prejudices. i was simply commenting on what i have witnessed growing up. in my experience, it is a certain demographic who seem to fall into it, and come out of completely as different people.
*and come out of it as completely different people
also there is the talk of it being 'cool' or that they are with the cool crowd......how is that different from drinking to fit in with 'the cool'?
i was just commenting on the tons of people who went that way while i was at school. there was a significant group of people who fell into what i described, and it became quite a massive problem (at least in my school/local area).
stoners are proper losers
nothing wrong with a little dabble for most people, but when you have nothing better to do it can quickly become an addiction. Smoking weed throughout my teenage years was a large contributor to inducing battles with panic attacks and ocd thinking patterns well in to my twenties (not saying these weren't inherent traits within my character but definitely heavily amplified by the weed) Also in big agreement on the introvert shut in effect and the reggae factor.
i used to smoke weed about once a week in first year at uni and it was fun at the time. hopefully i've not risked any future health things but oh well. zzzzzz snore zzzzz
Best get saving for all those shrink bills now!
But the nature of mind altering substances is that they increasingly seem more attractive than the harsh reality of one's everyday life.
Weed, alcohol, coke, heroin, you can talk about the cultures surrounding those that take them but it's missing the point.
but you are talking about people seeking oblivion, often drug taking is to seperate themselves from the numbness of their everyday life(work/polite society)
Drug taking often starts recreationally to separate oneself from the everyday life on a Friday / Saturday night with a bottle of wine, a pill or a spliff. Once you learn (often subconsciously) that it's an effective way of forgetting all the stressful stuff and a good way to chill out from life then it can become an easy shortcut. The alcohol industry promotes this message and everyone knows the supposed benefits from weed passed on from the 60's maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
and then i saw this
and i haven't had a doobie since! (well, i occasionally partake at a major social event, but otherwise i'm pure)
Sure I've had some fun times when high with mates, but I barely remember them now. The shit degree that's gonna be on my CV forever, though? Yeah, bit harder to forget that one. Not gonna touch it again if I can help it.
Having done it on and off (mostly on) for about 10 years.
Its served me ok for the most part, but it became a real burden in the last year or so - costing me £300 odd a month, making me slow and tired every day, giving me purple bags under my eyes, making me feel terrible on a weekend morning cause Id inevitably stay up late doing it on the friday and saturday nights.
That was my problem though. There was a period of about 5 years where I was literally constantly stoaned, having done it until I fell asleep and skinned up in bed in the morning. This period also coincided with a whole lot of criminal activity in my life (thankfully unpunished) and other habitual abuses of my body.
Its hard for me to separate the bad things in my life from the ganj, and I definitely agree that its a gateway into another world - but then thats only because its been criminalised itself
Now that I've stopped I feel totally awesome all the time and I'm way more chatty and productive at work.
Verdict - Neutral
Jimminy jillikers, that's a lot of weed!
Like nearly an 8th a day between me and the mrs
As NV said, good luck with giving it the boot. Personally I found one of the hardest things when stopping regular use was getting to sleep (it had become something of a mental crutch for being able to get to sleep easily), coupled with the most vivid dreams and sleep paralysis. Still, can be an opportunity to explore lucid dreaming if you're into that kind of thing.
in that 5 year period. I was an anonymous drone and because of my permastoned nature I was in no way friendly to anyone at work. As a result noone noticed if I was there or not.
So I'd wake up at 9, have an extended kingskin and lie in bed til 3 or 4 in the afternoon when the mrs would get back from uni.
Then I'd maybe show my face at work and say something like "Busy today isnt it!" and they'd go "Who the hell was that"
As in...you'll spend all day internalising how shit your job is, but as soon as you get home, you'll knock one up and think 'actually, its not too bad'
and so on...
One of my best friends hates his job (amongst other aspects of his life such as health, relationship, etc.) and has done for years, but has done very little to change the situation because he's spent most of his free time stoned and playing Xbox. Thankfully it looks like he's finally getting around to doing sorting himself out a bit now, but should arguably have done it long ago.
That said, he's only been able to smoke so readily because the guy he lives with is excelling in a very good job in the city whilst smashing birds left, right and centre, and he smokes just as much if not more.
Conclusion: different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Gets his comeuppance
he's balding really badly and looks about 10 years older than he is (probably due to smoking 10 - 20 fags a day on top of the weed since he was 14 or so).
Doesn't seem to hinder him with the ladies, though.
up plenty a tuppence
I can tell this joke isnt going to get the love it deserves
I have some friends who do it and seem fine. i have othersa who are like wasters (although they might always have turned out that way?) and then there's paddy the minister's son who's in and out of jail and mental units.9 although he might always have turned out that way?)
I think everybody has anecdotal evidence about people that have been 'sent mental' by it, and people who seem to be ok on it. I'm not sure what the empirical evidence shows though?...
I certainly wouldn't say 'smoking weed is harmless' as a blanket statement, but I guess you're just trying to provoke comment and don't really mean that.
it clearly isn't harmless.
Schizophrenia in particular. It's also incredibly bad for your lungs.
I doubt most people will be harmed by mild to moderate use. But the idea that cannabis is a largely harmless drug (which seems to, thankfully, get less traction as a mindset these days) is a very dangerous idea.
Not sure about the purer forms of weed but you're breathing in additional harsh toxins ON TOP OF the stuff that's in tobacco. Bad news.
but cigarette smokers will be smoking far more often
I'm not sure I'd take the risk of lung cancer to avoid dementia
Marijuana has various medical health benefits. As do a lot of plants. It's the mythology of it as a `harmless drug` which I take with extreme caution. It can be incredibly harmful in the wrong hands.
I was merely making a point that it also has benefits too. Which often get overlooked in these discussions
Still not a strong enough argument for pro-use given all of the negative effects
Is reason to legalise it though. Id rather people didn't use it, because it is harmful, but they always will.
in the countries where it's grown, or the developing countries it passes through. Mexico's the obvious example relating to the US drugs trade, but the marijuana that comes into Britain has had some of the same effects. y'know, murder, reigns of terror, drug cartels running vast swathes of countries
and yes, there are (compelling) arguments that such negative effects on countries of production are caused or exacerbated by the illegality of it in western countries. BUT. right now whatever the cause on one side you buying it from your dealer, smoking it, whatever, that process that ends with your relaxation, with your good feeling. well, you and wider consumers have left a fuck of a lot of murdered people in your wake.
then again, some people are cool with that
but i'm not sure there have been any coffee gang wars and towns made into warzones in the name of the coffee trade! though now i think about it a joke about New York's coffee addiction would sit nicely here
brusma2 did it
is grown under license in Spain, Holland & Switzerland + loads grown in the UK ?
The drug gang problems in Mexico is almost ENTIRELY down to US drug trade and USDA enforcement politics... and weed is only a tiny aspect of it - it includes everything from people trafficking to political influence to booze and cigarette running etc
your moral compass scares me in that case
how did you get to that from what I said?
the "ENTIRELY" in caps must have been a bit of misplaced emphasis on your part if it strangled some of your message :)
there's some other words and qualifiers in there that might be of interest
but given your concern for the wider socio-economic effects of illicit drug trade or you for or against legalisation of marijuana ?
in the sense that i'm all for big state and reckon a good big state could do a better job of, eh, overseeing it all
scares me. What about the clothes wearers? or the car drivers? or the electricity consumers? or the battery users? or the gemstone wearers? or those that like to invest in maximum return investments? or the milk drinkers? or those that oppose various things? or those that vote for political parties (and therefore the policies are subsequently enacted) or those that work in arms factories?
Your line of argument is VERY stupidly narrow and the only reason that I am being agressive is because it seems that you would only pick such a line of argument because you wish to feel superior at the expense of maligning/demonising a particular group of people.
You want to watch yourself there son, what you are displaying is a precussor (gateway) attitude to facism.
totalitarian, yep. state repressive communism 4 all
will note that a user called "Bongs" is doing that blinkered self-justifying weed defense thing.
anyway, i'm honing in on *that* section of western consumers because it's a thread about that industry, for what of a better word. maybe i'll start talking about everything in the world in every thread if that would make you happy. i don't think it would, so i won't bother, but you can rest assured i have opinions on a heap of those sections you mention, "son".
So surely it could equally be argued that the law is thething causing the deaths
the law doesn't help. but there is this undercurrent of self-denial about people who smoke lots of weed saying "oh it's all the world's attitude to drugs that's the problem, not me". unfortunately, that's the world we live in - the decisions we make impact others based on the real world, not how we think the world should be. until the world's laws/attitudes to drugs change substantially (and as hinted, i'd be for such a change), people doing weed, coke and such like have to be aware that there are sufficient links between their hobby and the mess drug wars/gang wards etc makes of places to have an element at least of culpability. whether it ought to be so or not, sadly it is right now.
For the record I'm pro legalising all illicit substances mainly for humanitarian reasons but also for user safety. I agree with the point that users nex to understand the damage caused by use but I think it's futile to try to make them stop, especially when the arguments for keeping it illegal don't weigh up.
it's a bit like the anti-environment movement arguments you get in the west, where folk are a bit "well if China are still going to pollute why should we bother cutting back".
after all, why SHOUDLNT people be allowed to imbibe a plant? If it does cause some harm (which I believe there is evidence for, with teenageers) then let people know this.
Let people know that its effects can vary.
Individual use of it is not hurting eveything else in the world, (apart from the miniscule pollution footprint from this, which can (and should) be overcome by not smoking.
But it's a very nice addition to meals
The thread is not about the industry. You have moved the thread to be about the effects of the industry. Im sure you have opinions about other things, but I do not see you blaming people who vote or pay taxes for the consequences of these actions in other threads in such extreme terms.
Nor do I see you blaming people who where clothes or drive cars, you do not try to paint these people with the guilt of others death.
In this thread you have attempted to change the direction to try to demonise a group of people who consume a PLANT leaf, you do not try to demonise the legislation that results in the criminalisation of all involved.
I bet you have an alcaholic drink every now and again, and you must be aware of the relationship between legislation, prohibition and the mafia.
It is obviously the legislation that forces this into criminal gangs, people would surely grow it at home if it were not for legislation, this would be far more natural.
PS as is expected for someone of your 'type', you have jumped to a false conclusion that I am blinkered by self justification, and yet you can test any part of my body for any substances and the only dodgey ones you will find will be those put in there by the legitimised consumer industry.
stupid new website.
stupid clean metabolism
stupid clean lifestyle
I don't know, when will people learn not to mess with this stuff?
and Im soooooo straight that I can convince him :(
some old granny's grown like an 8ft weed plant in her garden, having no idea what it actually was the whole time, just thought it looked like a pretty plant
you'd expect, or at least hope, with something slightly state controlled, that the weed itself was sourced from somewhere not causing fuckloads of murders
What you are keen on doing is repeating a silly line because you like to demonise a group of people.
especially to the brain and mental health, and lungs, obvs
people thinking it's harmless and unaddictive and therefore totally fine to use is probably to blame for a lot of the harm it does
not done any in two years because it'sno good for me personally (limited effect, lungs are bad enough, no pain relief whatsoever)
The downsides outweigh the benefits for me. Not smoked a joint for 10 or 12 years but wouldn't rule out the odd toke if the situation arose. That said, it never really did a great deal for me - rather have a few beers
Does it make you talk more or talk less?
but with a higher percentage of bollocks.
with coke you talk obviously a higher amount of bollocks quantitatively, but that's because you're talking at about 1000mph. Weed, not so much.
Too much, by definition, is a bad thing. How much is too much almost impossible to say - I know people who've baked their brains with it, and some people who smoke all the time with seemingly no ill effects.
The main problem with it is it's fucking boring.
My mate's mum had MS and she said it always helped, but because she was so permissive about it (and let us all smoke at her house) her son is a total fuck-up, and most of us who used to smoke there have either had mental problems because of it or are just really lazy and lethargic and boring. We did used to smoke a shitload though. So glad I quit when I was 19.
I'm not saying all people who smoke it aren't lazy etc., but there's seem to be a lot of folk in this thread saying that's all that happens if you smoke.
You can have a busy, active life getting everything you need to get done done, and then have a smoke as well. Works for me!
the deeper you inhale or longer you hold it down the worse it is. Almost everything that burns (even safe legal herbals) produce tar and other noxious substances in their smoke, tobacco though is one of the worst things that you can smoke.
If you used wisely [which is obviously a personal thing].
Ganja is a great tool for exploring consciousness and connecting to the deeper non conditioned/programmed self. Certainly more beneficial than doing government approved activities such as drinking and watching TV. Plus you might as well make use of those cannabinoid receptors.
Drunks are the worst, alcohol is easily as damaging as cannabis is, except drunks are hurting more than just themselves.
i haven't had any in years, this thread is making make quite want a spliff tho
therefore is harmful for your social life cause you smell bad
totally passe. something you should drop at the end of your teens/early twenties.
people on drugs are shit. drugs make me personally feel shit after the initial fun-ish bit.
weed is something that i've seen suck the life out of wildly intelligent people, often turning smart, inquisitive types into paranoid shut-ins and turn 'party' people into reclusive depressives, shadows of their former selves.
people should be allowed to do exactly what the hell they want to their own bodies - booze, fags drugs - whatever you want.
i just think weed is a huge time-waster and personality destroyer.
fake tans, any tans, hair straighteners, RnB and people going 'woooh', bring on x factor, strictly, got talent etc.
Look the best things you can do in life is to have all sorts of relationships with all sorts of people and animals and the earth and experiances. I think we will agree on that, but there are 101 things that will stop us from doing that and will get us stuck in a boring routine, why on earth are you rounding on just druks?
people are rounding on just druks as that's what the thread is about.
but there seems to be a preponderance of posts mentioning the 'boringness' of it all, and of those that do, despite a relative absence of related stories on DIS from stoners.
works fine for me. i know it's grown properly and i can pick it up without having to meet an individual who sells the stuff (i.e. a CRIMINAL). there's no gang war deaths as a result of my purchases and no one goes to jail for life for smuggling across borders. seems to me the problem lies in it's prohibition. if alcohol (far more damaging to health and society) was made illegal then the same crime problems that are blamed on cannabis would arise.
as for it's usage, it works for me but i can't comment on anyone else. it helps me relax and switch off from the daily grind. it makes me more motivated to play guitar and be creative but probably less motivated to go out drinking 3 or 4 nights a week, like a lot of my mates prefer to do. i'm not too bothered about that now i'm married and in a different stage of my life though.
from a health perspective i think it affects people in many different ways. it seems a frighteningly high (no pun intended) number of people just base their view on stereotypical stoners. no one other than my very closest friends would have a clue that i have a joint or 2 each evening. in the past it has helped me deal with personal problems.
many studies have shown that there are no links between cannabis and lung cancer (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060526083353.htm) and the hypothesis that the plant can be used as a very effective treatment for cancer is growing and growing. google Rick Simpson. he's found a way to extract the THC from the plant to a very pure oil which he claims is a miracle drug. hard to believe, i know, but check it him out if you're interested in this topic.
studies also have shown that THC also actually increases cell growth in the brain (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051016083817.htm) but you don't see that in the mainstream news as it doesn't quite fit in with society's view that cannabis makes you stupid.
on an internet forum. reading a thread about people's opinion of them.
And hold my opinion in high esteem
as I hold my own opinions
But not nearly as bad as a lot of people here are making out, in my experience.
My thinly veiled for example spent most of her uni years high, but still got straight A's and awards and stuff and is generally really good at getting shit done while high. Personally I quite like it, although I'm never any good at motivating myself to do anything more than go to the fridge when high, but if you weren't planning on doing anything that day anyway then what's the difference?
I am slightly concerned by some of the health implications, which is why I'm trying to cut back a bit, and also why we use a vaporiser, so there is no tobacco, and no combustion. Much better for your lungs.
There is obviously still the mental health issue, but so far I think I'm ok (been having it fairly regularly for a few years, while doing well at work and whatever), and as with most things that are fun in life its a trade-off and there is a certain amount of risk involved. Personally at the moment I think its worth it, so I will continue to enjoy it :)
+ Most things are improved by being high (food, music, sex, etc)
+ Its fun to see things differently, and I'm often at my most creative when high
+ Using a vaporiser so not hurting my lungs
- Spend a lot of time sitting around doing nothing and eating snacks (probably would be doing this regardless though tbf)
- Am I going mental? Maybe.
Like the TV/movie effects of it. Thats just generally not how it is in real life
Usually a combination of mellow and thoughtful :)
and I still absolutely love it. Much prefer it to alcohol, which in my opinion is the most harmful drug going.
Never been a heavy smoker, just one joint per night on average. Have become a bit of a connoisseur, with several dealers each selling me different strains of high quality stuff. Nearly always smoke alone, in the evening, as I do not think of it as a social drug. I find it's great for listening to music (honestly, it's the best hi-fi upgrade you could ever buy), reading, watching films, eating, sex is also great. Really enhances the experience and makes me think about and analyse these things a lot more than I would otherwise.
Never really got this whole idea about demonising weed. I guess people like something easy to blame, something that won't argue back at them, when looking for excuses for their or others' behaviour.
I don't let people know I smoke weed (but I won't ever deny it if asked), not because I'm ashamed, but because people are very quick to judge (I mean, read some of the comments here). Sad, but you have to roll with the punches. The whole "stoner" stereotype really cracks me up, I mean listening to reggae, wearing tracksuits, come on!
Asking whether weed is harmful or not is a silly question. I feel in my life it has given me great inspiration, and helped me become the person I am proud of being now. It's a fantastic experience if you can respect it.
Negative effects? Obviously the heavy lungs on occasion, but I exercise lots and like cycling so that helps. Cost? About £20-£30 per week on average. Easily affordable, as I have a degree and hold down a good job (sorry that doesn't fit into the closed-minded stereotype).
Nothing really wrong with that on its own, it's usually all you can go on in personal issues such as these, but presenting as an undeniable truth for all cases is wrong.
i do quite miss listening to music whilst high
first time I heard 'what will you say' by Jeff Buckley was an apiphany
The answer is yes
Long answer no with a but...
However if the question had been is weed a bad thing to use, then it could be argued as a no, in moderation, if ethically sourced
I should never have stopped
Yes, the answer's definitely No.
What was the question? Sorry, I'm pretty mashed right now.
a damn simple fool
this goes to Pink Brian up there
You are the fool. You cannot get my username correct tho it's right there
peanuts are harmful to those with peanut allergies
I like pot, piff is is loads of fun to say (people who call coke piff are weird), as is waccy tabacci, crow sounds silly.
fav word for a joint is definitely doobie though
therefore I judge it to be NOT HARMLESS *brings down gavel*
talking about myself.
I really, really like the feeling of being a joint or two down but I really, really don't like smoking itself, as an act. I don't like rolling, I don't like breathing in smoke, I even don't really like the act of holding a cigarette or spliff to my mouth or between my fingers. Which has always acted as a pretty good way of keeping me very much in check.
made me pretty neurotic about the 'taking' bit of taking drugs
- its a much more pleasant experience :)
I can tell you that anyone who says yes is stupid or in denial. I've seen it turn minds into mush over time and it certainly laid my short term memory to waste. I'm not anti-weed at all, I just don't like that people think it's less destructive than alcohol.
Done in the wrong way though, almost anything can be harmful.
that alcohol is *less* destructive than weed?
Also, are we talking weed smoked with tobacco, as opposed to vaporized or space cakes or whatever?
whether its legal herbal mixtures or tobacco.
Perhaps therefore we are discussing two issues that could perhaps be seperated.
a) the substance and
b) the delivery system.
have already pointed out the risks associated with both.
i was getting at ichor's "I just don't like that people think it's less destructive than alcohol."
As i'd argue that alcholol is more destructive than weed, at least when the added negative of the tobacco is removed. But cheers for derailing guys!
raanraals forced me into derailing you
i like it
hold your ankles
Take that you diluted CG wannabe.
what you're talking about.