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why do you live in London? It smells bad is really expensive and it's full of people, are there upsides too?
and the fact that London is really made up of lots of small areas and communities so you can suddenly walk down a street and then find yourself in a completely different area with completely different feel to it.
Also, I don't live on Oxford street, I don't have to spend everyday queuing, it's not the same as a day trip, where you don't have a clue where you going and everything's a little bit new and perhaps scary, you even get used to the slightly different water after a few days. (never smelt the smell) Having started in london in Turnpike lane, and moving to kilburn/queens park (2 completely different places next to each other) then putney and now near Kew, and having work & friends in various other areas - each place is a completely different experience. - some better than others but all interesting and varied in their own way.
+ lots more choice food-wise
+ just more things to do generally
+ some cracking boozers
- full of neurotic people whose favourite subject is themselves
- the water's dreadful
- doesn't really have an identity
- the women are much less attractive on average than in, say, Manchester, Edinburgh, Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield, etc
Was just reading an article this morning about Manchester being the world's third most ethnically diverse city actually (after Paris and New York). Hmmm.
You could not be more wrong about the last point.
London has the best looking women in the British Isles. Without a doubt.
I was merely stating a fact. Plus it's a very important issue (for me at least)
Choose from gigs, cinemas, theatre or shit loads of art galleries and museums. It's not a small town or city that consists of one shit square or a few streets containing a few pubs and restaurants rammed full of people. You can have whatever type of night you want.
You're right, the house prices/rent s are very high. Unfortunately that's the price you have to pay to live here. Comparable cities like New York and Paris also are expensive.
I've always lived in London. It's when I go to a smaller UK city that I realize how bigger better and varied London is and how much more there is to do.
It's the most vibrant and exciting place in The UK; perhaps even Europe.
It's just a place, man. Has its qualities, has its drawbacks. Some people might like it, others won't. No point getting irked, or trying to belittle the opinions of those who disagree with you.
You'd raise an eyebrow?
Perhaps some people aren't looking for where they live to be 'vibrant', idk.
and the idea nobody has any excuse to live there if they have the money (if that really was the case then what would that tell you about the londoners who espouse londons 'pre-eminence' (to borrow a phrase from a tory cunt who was in the news recently))
for example I don't want to have "any type of night I want". I don't want a city to be a place which exists solely for people to exist as free isolated agents in a marketplace whose recreation is catered for without being compromised by tricky things like geography or other people (which can't be the case for everyone anyway).
They were all amazed that they hadn't been stabbed or spit on for being english and kept saying "its quite nice". Was actually like that garth merenghi joke.
Its a protest to stick by the place you live and accept that there are bits about it you don't like and there are things wrong with it. In this way you can begin to relate to the city in its whole and as a whole person with other people that live there. Seems like in places like london its too easy to exist solipsistically and fragment yourself in order to exist a segmented place.
Also I couldn't afford it, though apparently there are loads of jobs down there.
I live in London because I had exhausted all the possibilities in Glasgow. Plus I have a much better job here, the weather is better and it's generally an interesting place to live.
There are quite a lot of cunts though but some decent folk do live here.
is the same as any other place in The UK. The population is far larger and hence more arseholes here. Similarly, you can say the same about the number of descent people here.
You're probably right but the cunts are more noticeable so it appears that there are more of them
I mean I live it here but feels like time to move, not that simple though!
like Manchester, Bristol, Newcastle, Leeds, Sheffield... all lovely cities with loads of great stuff going on and fewer shit cunts.
But some of my friends lived in London and the jobs were better.
I have nothing against all those places, been to Manchester a few times and had a great time. I just felt it would be more of a change for me to go to London.
and having access to a massive range cultural activities will fill the gaping hole in their personality
And food is boring
london smells: it's not 1893 anymore
people are unfriendly: those people aren't from london
i don't ever want to live there again though. the permanent population is shrinking, it's inconvenient, it's absolutely terrible to be less than wealthy in. i don't feel like i really know it anymore. you can't go home again
Calm down Win Butler. But a 20/30 minute ride into the centre of London from Essex, Herts (not the West of London, they're evil bastards) and you get the best of both worlds. The world's best capital on your doorstep plus countryside, villages, fresh air and clean water.
my sister lives in canary wharf
as 'the worst day of my life' I don't know why people love it so much. Though my time at the WWE and Paramore shows were fantastic, but that's because I just bolted it to the arenas and din't have to do with crowds of pricks bolting it to the tubes because their iPad is running out of battery and they've just ran out of coffee.
Of course it's busy, there's 10m people here.
There's more hipster wankers in Brighton than London IMO, per capita.
i mean first of all: bestburgerinnorthwestlondon.com isn't what I'd call a solid reference point, and second of all, they're taking West Hampstead as the benchmark: an insanely expensive area that the writer 'happens to like'. Well: no shit. It's probably the most idyllic part of the entire city.
it's not particularly nice
So wish it was in Brighton or Manchester or Leeds or Newcastle or Glasgow or Edinburgh
is the insanely shrill, endless protestations of anyone outside of it. No one picks a fight with Leeds. Fucking wonder why.
As if it matters that some cities are better than others anyway. Unless your dim you go where the best chance of happiness is, but why the fuck would you spend hours getting pant-wetty about not living somewhere on an internet forum unless you were very, very definitely unhappy with the quality of you own life?
London is alright. Manchester would be just as nice to live in, and Edinburgh would be lovely too. But lets not pretend that the people getting *really* pissy about London are anything other than sad about their lot. To them: deal with it.
oh, the irony
that there's this cycle of mild complaints about a stinky city which are met with much stronger defensiveness.
See: your post complaining about people getting *really* pissy, but really can you see a more strongly worded post in this thread than your own
i'm not defensive about London: i only moved here a few years back and I think I prefer Cambridge. I'm almost sure I want to end up back there in my mid-30s if I can manage it.
So even from the perspective of someone who doesn't think London is a big deal, I still see more thread comments on DiS getting pissed off that London even exists than I do anyone ever taking a shot at Manchester, Glasgow (both of which I'm a big fan), or anywhere else. It reeks of bitterness, sorry.
In trying to be glib you've completely undermined your point and have ended up coming across as at least as unecessarily angry as yes_ and Songs_about_ducking, who a quick read of the thread suggests you must've been referring to.
(As usual when replying to your posts i feel i need to in some way pre-empt your sarcastic, often personal retort by making it absolutely clear that i'm not having a go at you and i think you're generally okay).
I still think the London bashing shows more anger at ones own situation that a genuine argument. I've yet to see the Londoners taking a pop at anywhere else on this board in a serious way (although I'm sure wza can prove me wrong)
There's quite a lot of anti-Manchester sentiment on here and always has been. The London and Manchester contingents on here are equally vocal, and equally dismissive of the other in a really butt-hurt kind of way (and i'd include myself in that).
That and, the general tone of your posts here only really supports the snobbish and inaccurate point of view that people only don't live in London because they can't. I've worked in London quite a lot, and the standard of life in general is by no means better there than anywhere else in lots of instances. Plenty of people would just rather live somewhere else, and in lots of ways lots of other places are more pleasant.
I hope I'll leave, eventually. When I said go where you're happiest I didn't mean London. But if you're happy where you are then resentment of elsewhere is odd.
And fair play if I've missed Londoners slating Manchester.
i think london is the only city that gets people pretending like that
A huge part of their identity is that they absorb and welcome people from everywhere.
i think new york has a similar thing, but i don't think anywhere else in europe does - not in my experience anyway. maybe there aren't any other megacities in europe though.
i get the feeling a lot of people try to justify being awful with this sort of self-conscious attempt to live up to a stereotype - 'lol i just barged a tourist off the escalator for standing on the left! such a londoner'
there's loads of tumblr sites and buzzfeed lists full of it, but i'd never really expect that sort of behaviour from people originally from london. maybe west london tbh
now fuck off.
I didnt insult the city, just the people who move there!
Its more the idea that you should always aim for "the best" and you're doing yourself a disservice if you're not ambitious enough. Obviously its presupposed on the idea of their being a "best" which is never neutral but also just because life is mediocre but enjoyable. I hate that phrase about being tired of life if you're tired of london, as if marks off the boundaries of worthwhile human existence. Worthwhile existence doesn't take place in a sphere of constant competition and reaching for "the best"
It's somehow worse than that. There was an article yesterday in the standard with a journo basically saying: so what if you're stressed and unhappy? That's London you pussy! Love it or die!
I've not bothered to read the rest of your post because I assume it is full of similar poorly-researched 'facts'.
Most of my love for it comes from the fact my friends and family are there, but it really is top for gigs.
This is my city
Then it stopped being fun and I left. Now I don't want to move back but I'll probably have to.
Things that are fun: do them.
do you ever feel that you're not really a part of it somehow or that it lacks a certain character somehow that other places have?
These are just kind of vague wooly feelings that I can't really back up with anything, well perhaps I could if I tried but I don't intend to.
It's fucking huge, innit? All the places have discernable 'character' but I don't know that London cumulatively does. Does anywhere?
I had far better connections to places I've lived outside of in the past. Always felt like an imposter in SW and E London, just not for me. More at home nearer the countryside in SE.
Found making new friends locally quite hard compared to back at home, but then you make most of your friends at work / school / uni don't ya, and they're still 90% of my friend base (with a few DiS folk making up the rest).
I spend most of my time in London being impressed by the scale, history and variety of it as much as I am annoyed by it but equally miss it dreadfully when away. I feel the time coming (say 10 years away) when I'll just fuck off to Scotland or something.
living there strikes me as a bit of an arse-ache. Could be wrong. I don't live there.
its my favourite city.
sadly i won't be able to until im in my 40s.
y'know...been abroad and that?
the burger scene
been to the old crown?
their burgers are ridiculously priced but supposed to be amazing.
What do you want me to do, run off to a small town outside Leeds?
is pretty great, imo
Small towns are better we should have a small towns thread who ever had a bad thing to say about small towns
I just wanted to read 10 minutes of bickering.
and had a really nice trip
is quite a xenophobic thing to say, but thanks anyway for your time.
being a stupid cunt thing....again. Please leave the boards
No memory of it, wasn't even in that time Sunday.
I think someone's been on my account.
Originally moved here after uni because most of my friends also moved here. Now I'm only here because most of the jobs related to the particular career I'm in are located in London.
Certainly amongst a number of my friends, there's now a feeling that we've become trapped by the London-centric economy of this country. Stuck here for the work, but not paid a wage that keeps pace with house prices and rising travel costs.
Still, hoping to move away from here in the next few years.
then i spend the weekend in the small town in the south my parents live in, replete with cardboard copy uk high street, weatherspoons idiots & bleak vibe and think thank fuck i moved further into the city
There's lots going on
Loads of night buses to take you home
Tons of different places to eat in different areas
Nice pubs everywhere
I pass my driving test back in 1994 (as my parents bought me the lessons back then) but I've never needed a car to get around. Driving is a hindrance anywhere near Central London.
Lived there for most of my life apart from seven odd years in Manchester. Left this year - couldn't take it any more. Too big, too much going on, too many people, too much attitude, too much of your life spent working or travelling.
There's a lot to love - the thrill of living somewhere where you can do anything and meet anyone - but it got to the point for me where it was either hedonism or drudgery and no in-between.
To say it has no identity is too far but it definitely lacks a common sense of purpose or a regular rhythym that you do get in big as opposed to massive cities (Manchester, Liverpool, Sheffield etc).
but in saying that, I grew up in a >50k city so a lot of it probably has to do with me being in awe of it, massive culture shock and all that. There are people! Everywhere! You actually have to be careful you don't bump into people on the pavement!
I've applied for jobs there on two separate occasions, years apart, but have been rejected each time. Bath doesn't want me
I think it's mainly due to property price concerns and the vision of a rotten future as a result. Maybe it'll pass. Maybe it won't.
not having to live among the chippy crybabies who apparently live outside of it.
Personally I enjoyed London the least, although it had its upsides. Just wasn't for me, in the long-term. I found it very difficult to relax.
I think my best life plan is live in a fairly small city, with plenty going on, but a community feel to it (Birmingham fits the bill for me) and do as much traveling as I can afford.
(silly to pretend it even comes close) but it's also not merthyr, so i feel i've won in some small way just by being here.
i'm no fan of the haggard, miserable faces, the self-obsessed, solipsistic attitude and the general infinite grey of the place but yeah, if i want to see a film i can, i want to see a band? i can. these are not options open to me where i grew up nor in many other places in the uk.
when i get fed up of london i move to a different part of it and it renews my interest no end.
i'll be away from here in 5-10 years i suppose but in the meantime it's here to be enjoyed and for the privileged (i'd consider myself that - i have a job and food and the cupboards) it's possible to do so to a certain extent.
like any ultra-expensive city there are certain doors only open to the wealthy - that's the same in any city i suspect - but i don't feel i'm missing out on too much as i've no interest in playing jeeves and wooster games in chelsea with twats.
The streets are definitely paved with cupboards here
who presumably named themselves after a Fighting Fantasy character or something. I mean, that's where I assume you get people called 'Storm'; no doubt they have weird coloured angular hair and do a lot of staring mournfully into the distance with a huge weapon resting on their shoulder.
Honestly, though, if your first name's 'Storm' and you DON'T live in Shoreditch as part of an art collective then something's wrong with your life, surely?
You having a midlife crisis over being called theobold?
How are the midlands these days?
but xylopwn doesnt live here so every cloud and all that
she was cute
Don't think I could hack the commuting side of things, or having to live in a smaller place with less disposable income, or not being able to have a car. I'm planning on having children in the next 5 years or so, and here I've been able to buy a nice family home, save a bit and know what we're likely to do school wise. Living in London I think we'd have to sacrifice a lot of that.
It's nice to visit, then I can do things like the museums and visit restaurants, but the cost of living is so high it's not for me.
- My job and my fiance's job are here, and London is the place with the most varied opportunities for our careers. Having a job I enjoy is important to me.
- Most of my friends are here. I've been here eight years so moving away would mean pretty much starting again socially, and I'm not sure I'd want to do that.
- It's easy to get to other places. So even my friends in Paris / or other parts of the UK are a stone's throw away. I don't drive so if I lived somewhere else I think I'd be a bit screwed.
I enjoy the night life and the restaurants and stuff on occasion. Feels like London is uniquely a place where you get asked to justify why you live there. Because my life is here?
Yes, it has its faults, but just walk along the Embankment on a clear starry night and tell me all is not good with the world.It's pretty magical.
As a massive live music fan, virtually every band in the world wants to/has played here, so I can get to see most of the bands I love without too much hassle.
I've never noticed a continuous bad smell. Did you bring it with you when you visited London Storm???
Can someone start a thread slagging off Manchester to restore some balance here? Honestly, I'm feeling pretty let down by you lot right now...
plus peoples' lives change over time and it is the type of city that I feel everyone should have a bash at living in for a year or two, if at all possible. I miss it a bit. Not as much as I thought i would (I'd say when I get a pang it is more for the friends I lefyt behind than the place). It's a funny old place- it makes you feel like anything is possible sometimes.
but living there - no ta. Unless I was loaded and could live in a large house in a nice area. I have spent a week there on business and found myself pretty exhausted and miserable just getting about the place at times. No wonder Londoners on the tube are always so arsey.
"...what you end up with is an urban population convinced that everything revolves around them"