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Pretty suprised the Sun didn't lead with 'WOY OF THE WACISTS'
Love that he tells dad jokes at half time though.
some of us have better things to do than keep up with every single racist thing roy hodgson does.
Not me - I've got nothing on. But there are people who can't keep up with it.
FIFA are probably going to have to kick England out of the World Cup now, it's the only reasonable course of action.
Inverted, closet, full on
as much as it's a shitty hatchet job, the fact that a player went to the press means that the Sun kind of had a duty to report it. The whole thing's fucking stupid though.
Said it was a player upset about being left out of the team for the Poland game. Narrows the field somewhat and, presumably, Hodgson will know pretty soon too if he doesn't already.
(can't wait for the witch-hunt actually)
Only a Chelsea player would do something this despicable, and he was the only one in the squad.
for the Poland game.
he plays for them, but he's not *of* them
i.e. a despicable snitch
It's one year to the world cup and it'd be his definite last chance of a major tournament. England'll probably take four central midfielders and, whilst Gerrard seems a near certainty and Wilshire seems likely to go, if not start, it's close between Lampard and Carrick and just needs one more central midfielder to have a good season for one of them to be displaced.
This story isn't going to be enough to get Hodgson sacked and, a bit of embarrassment aside, is going to do nothing except make it harder for Lampard to get a seat on the plane (if he did do it). Surely he'd not be that stupid?
Not because I wuv him!!! but because, as you say, there's virtually nothing to gain and quite a fair bit for a 35 year old who doesn't automatically start for his club these days to lose.
I sincerely doubt the Telegraph journalist knows anything anyway. Great story for tabloids this- get to spend one day essentially slandering Hodgson and then the next (presumably) righteously indignant at the leak.
plus, it was lampard.
can't see why lampard would bother.
Libel is specifically legal- it refers to publishing lies.
Slandering someone isn't specifically legal- it can just be a synonym for talking shit about someone. I could slander you right here, right now.
PS. It was Wilshere and Defoe, in conjunction with the lizard people.
1. Doesn't strike me at the sort
2. Loves JT
were Lampard and Wilshere. But neither strike me as real troublemakers and both been effusive in their praise of Hodgson fairly recently.
It wouldn't necessarily have to be a player, mind.
but it was lampard
Christ, he probably does, doesn't he?
Although I'm not sure he's capable of being devious. Not sure he's capable of doing his own laces.
If the player was so upset why didn't he report it to the FA and not a reporter?
or is naive enough to have mentioned it in passing. Can't fathom anyone being upset by it.
Why would somebody like Lampard who has lots of mates who are football journalists ring Gordon Smart with a story.
Possibly young and naive enough to both a) not get the joke, and b) go to the press with it?
Switzerland, Spain, Argentina, Germany, Colombia, Belgium, Brazil and Uruguay (if they qualify).
So no World Cup 2010 runners up or Euro 2012 runners up, who both run their group in qualifying. Instead, a team who are in the top 10 for the first time in 18 years, a team who haven't qualified for anything since 2002 and a team who finished 5th in South American qualifying.
But for consistency in qualifying for tournaments and getting in the knockouts, we only just missed out. Presume that's legit.
Also, it's Colombia's first WC since 2002, interestingly.
birdman will be back
Uruguay are gash
we never really play them so it's a bit unsubstantial a claim for me, but whatevs
Would be fun to have two big teams in some of the groups anyway.
DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNN
with their white space shuttles and obsession with the whitest of moons.
bit.ly/19JQvIz two games ago Hodgson was out of his depth as England manager, now he should be fucking Prime Minister
In the national team
Would you rather have an AVB type leading the halftime heat mapping stats wearing his Google Glass while Phil Jones sits there like this http://youtu.be/zwc1Wi-mlCI?t=4s, or some old man talking about space monkeys? Roy knows his audience
I thought Hodgson was getting shit for talking about Sea Monkeys.
That would have been an even better fit for his audience.
'legitimate space tale'.
and burst out laughing when the search bar auto-completed with 'space monkey'. What an age we live in.
This is a better fit
There was a similar great moment in a press conference recently with Hodgson and Gerrard where Roy says to Stevie "I don't make too many Churchillian speeches do I?" and Gerrard says "no", looking away embarrassed as he clearly has no idea what he is talking about.
Churchill must be a really obscure reference for an English footballer
he just didn't get the context or why it was a joke
Gerrard's face always has a patina of vacancy and confusion
No, you never talk like a South American rodent.
"Nasa decided they'd finally send a man up in a capsule after sending only monkeys in the earlier missions.
"They fire the man and the monkey into space. The intercom crackles, 'Monkey, fire the retros'. A little later, 'Monkey, check the solid fuel supply'.
"Later still, 'Monkey, check the life support systems for the man'. The astronaut takes umbrage and radios Nasa, 'When do I get to do something?'
"Nasa replies, 'In 15 minutes – feed the monkey'."
how on earth is that remotely racist?
he meant, smalling pass to townsend. but still, fucking hell.
Phil Jones is probably still trying to comprehend it
must have taken ages for them to make the link.
and the monkey is Peter Beardsley
it becomes racist, if you think that hodgson was telling smalling to pass to the monkey.
i hate that i am even talking about this.
Even then it's barely racist
No legitimate space tales either
Well, lucky I reminded Hitler. Better put one in pronto!
like the snidey ed miliband smear attempt, this will have the opposite effect.
Roy apologises. Fuck's sake.
andros townsend ?@andros_townsend 1m
I don't know what all this fuss is about. No offence was meant and none was taken! It's not even news worthy!
much easier to imagine some press pal of harry's being the catalyst for this nonsense.
just some sloping forehead journo who loves to cause trouble
last week johnathan ross said his guest next week was THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE FOR ENGLAND MANAGER HARRY REDKNAPP and I remembered why I hate everything to do with the England football team all over again
And the players choice too. You know everyone in the game apart from the FA wanted Harry to get the job don't you?
wrightylew's just up there pal ^ he'll tell you all about it.
with far more international experience, my heart bleeds for "democracy"
Redknapp in charge, funded by the fans, start bottom of the world rankings and work their way towards a World Cup.
actually quite a good idea
Or they could just give Redknapp the England job now Hodgson's just about trickled over the line to Brazil. Give Harry the job, plenty of time to mould a team for 2014 - we'd win it at a canter. Bobby Zamora hat trick beating Belgium in the final.
Not join FIFA and play in this instead:
Really can't let that one go can you? All because we disagree on who we wanted for England boss. Sad bastard.
It's more because your reasons on who you wanted for England manager seemingly come from a place of misplaced bitterness but, also, misinformation - as was kind of proved last week when Gerrard said that Harry never texted him etc.
Wanting Redknapp as England manager isn't a terrible position in itself, but I think your Hodgson hatred is more indicative of someone who `can't let that one go` rather than my odd dig on the matter.
But then again I don't know any matchgoers. Can understand a lack of faith in him. Liverpool under him were dour, he never looked comfortable in the job. But he criticised the fans for not getting behind the team, which is the part I guess is unforgiveable.
I actually think he was correct to do so myself but I'm not exactly in the majority there.
nasa's simian space program
so they can begin to understand and empathize with space monkeys.
france vs portugal plz
Can someone please explain how switzerland are ranked 4th in the world or whatever please?
their group was TERRIBLE.
beating Germany and Brazil, drawing with the Netherlands
but yeah, not being in Euro 2012 and also losing to Argentina in that time
's a bit odd
you get more points for beating teams that are higher in the rankings
but i had thought you get less points for friendlies anyway. idk
if you go here http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/index.html and click on Switzerland, you see they've been having better and better years. so that means they're gaining more points than they're losing, so ranking keeps going up and up
giving them quadruple points in the rankings and on their Nectar card.
otherwise host nations would just plummet in rankings even more than they do now
good attempt though meths
so have been racking up lots of ranking points in that
as in, all of them?
not as good as switzerland though
only get 20% weighting in your points total.
FIFA's rankings regard Albania and Slovenia (who Switzerland beat) as slightly tougher opponents than Hungary and Turkey (who the Netherlands beat) so Switzerland picked up more rankings points.
and only being able to beat weaker teams as a result.
England might have been seeded but Poland are lower in the rankings partially from not playing any Euro 2012 qualifiers, so England got less ranking points from beating them than say Switzerland did for beating Slovenia.
Despised by all, they're like the football equivalent of Clubber Lang, or maybe Ivan Drago.
if they draw a strong group they'll make games featuring the best countries into boring, cagey affairs. if they draw the weaker teams they'll deprive us of open-ended thrillers and cupsets. why are they doing this to us?
now they've got players like Shaqiri, Xhaka, Dzemaili, Seferovic etc?
i mean, they had that 4-4 with Iceland, that 5-3 vs Germany and a 4-2 vs Croatia in the last 18 months
they're hardly Greece
seems to have left a lot of people with PTSD.
they're the new belgium. let the indie football flow over us.
have you seen them play recently?
It's still fucking boring. I somehow missed those goal fest matches.
They only got the seeding spot ahead of the Netherlands/Italy by two ranking points, Italy would have probably got it if they'd won either of their two qualifiers in the last week, but as they were already through probably couldn't be arsed.
even to be able to laugh about it.
If you hear / read that joke and think 'That's a bit racist', here's the thing; YOU'RE A BIT RACIST.
It's comedy gold.
has got me trying and failing to repress laughter in the office.
Honestly don't know why people bother with things like the Daily Mash and the Onion.
revealing that it was an elaborate and precisely calculated hoax.
Not saying the rankings aren't as fair a way to do it as any but it does look a bit crazy on paper.
i'd say 5 of those are fair enough.
and raise you - 6.
and Belgium look pretty tidy these days as well. Netherlands for Switzerland and it is probably about right, maybe Italy for Belgium
I am choosing to
Far harder to get to than even a London away. And just because of the 4-3s everyone's got in their heads that this is ALWAYS A GREAT PREMIER LEAGUE FIXTURE. It rarely is these days. Fckhfn
There's direct trains from Manchester to Newcastle that take under three hours and then it's a walk to St James.
From Liverpool, yeah, four hours travelling before 12 on a Saturday is a bit harsh.
I hate everything.
`The matter has been raised by the chair, Lord Herman Ouseley, directly with the Football Association, who acknowledges the apology made by Roy Hodgson, and now seeks an investigation to ascertain the full facts and ensure a similar situation does not arise again`
Sounds fair enough to me. I don't think Kick It Out would be doing it's job if it didn't call for the FA to investigate the incident fully, sadly. Sounds to me like the right thing to do.
but since football as an institution has such a chequered history when it comes to racism, it's no surprise that the quasi-autonomous body responsible for dealing with racism kind of has a mandate to appeal for an investigation into ALL complaints about it. No matter how trivial or misplaced we consider them to be.
Whether or not you agree with the mandates of Kick it Out is another matter, but I stand by my initial statement that they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't call for an investigation into this.
Don't blame them for this situation arising - blame English football's historic and institutionalised ambivalence towards effectively dealing with racism.
English football's historic and institutionalised ambivalence towards effectively dealing with racism.
Is it not pretty accurate to claim that clubs turned a blind eye to racism on the terraces for many years?
Also, the FA's role regarding the John Terry stuff was hardly first class.
1) I completely agree with Stan Collymore that an investigation into an alleged racial slight that is obviously not a racial slight plays into the hands of people who dismiss anti-racist campaigners as pretty, PC do-gooders. In effect, Kick It Out are doing their job but they're massively undermining themselves in the process.
2) I'm not sure what investigation is even possible. Nobody seems to dispute the version of events that's in the public domain so I'm not sure what 'full facts' are left to be ascertained.
I actually agree that Hodgson's comments were ill-judged and think, once it became a story, he did the right thing in apologising but I'm not sure exactly what's left beyond that. Hodgson made an error in using an analogy that could be misconstrued and he's apologised for that but I don't know what should be investigated or what other possible sanction could be used whatever the outcome should be.
I certainly think Kick It Out have got every right to comndemn his comments as ill-judged and to suggest he shouldn't have said them but I don't understand what is possible or desirable from an actual investigation, except to play into the hands of people who dismiss anti-racism campaings as petty witchunts.
What sort of `investigation` they've called for has probably been significantly overplayed by the media also. They're just doing their job. But fair enough - we're on the same page I think.
the circumstances around Adrian Chiles' builders gaffe.
A medal is on its way.
when it comes to which non-racist incidents to kick up a fuss about?
I suspect it doesn't. Can't be bothered to check.
about any non-racist incidents.
The investigation won't be some demanding forensic campaign- they'll probably just ask for short statements from Hodgson and Townsend and that'll be it.
'If anyone actually involved wants us to investigate, let us know, otherwise fuck off. All the best. Cheers.'
not least because none of them will have a fucking clue what is or is not racist. Probably scrabbling around for someone authorative to call as we speak:
"Geoffrey, didn't your godson once meet a black man at the Royal Variety Show? Gary Wilmot maybe? Do you think we can get his fax number? Be super to get a quote from him - really add some credibility to this whole investigation."
*This was a silly phrase to use in a diverse workforce*
Anti-racism campaigner Piara Powar
(^Not sure if racist - hopefully the FA can investigate)
Ultimately I think Hodgson's been so quick to apologise because he's realised the monkey analogy can be so easily misconstrued. I think "silly" is a fair word too - not terrible, now awful, not worse all the furore but probably a bit silly.
I see you've already checked your binary-gender-assumption privileges and thrown them out the window.
PS I sort of knew I was going to get that wrong. I nearly checked it but didn't.
Besides, legally speaking, anyone who has a vowel at the end of their name is female. Everyone knows that.
David, Steven and Wayneyard all have consonants at the end.
This is only making it worse.
and Rio. and Ugo.
but without wanting to get into the tedious logic of it, it wasn't a racist joke, it's never been a racist joke, and if you wanted to repurpose a joke as racist for your own racist ends then it's not really a good joke to pick. And she's called the England football team a 'diverse workforce' which makes her sound like the kind of po-faced HR drone that makes people disconnect with this kind of campaigning.
The phrasing is a bit officious but it seems to me in essence a way of saying "yeah, it wasn't the best thing to say" without adding fuel to the witchunt.
Or a clueless honky. If you're going to stimulate a media-led furore just fucking go for it, I say.
and the person who took offence at it should have a long think about what they've done?
Hit the left button!!!!
He's mild mannered, calm, cultured, cosmopolitan and speaks languages other than English. He's the devil incarnate.
hahahahaa. I don't like the fella admittedly, and will accept he's mild-mannered, seems like a normal old chap and yeah, fair play to him for learning other languages. But I think "calm, cultured, cosmopolitan" sounds a bit like you're setting up a dating site profile for him.
forgotten which one
the media hate success
they never hated Ferguson, they love Mourinho, Wenger.
I can't think of an England manager in the past few years who didn't have the press on his back after an initial honeymoon period. Roy didn't really get a honeymoon period tbf.
It's about who he isn't.
The trendy thing now is to outwardly bash England as no-hopers and ridicule anyone who suggests otherwise, but a lot of prominent journalists betray their real feelings by getting shirty about an avuncular, pleasant but dull safe pair of hands of no real prestige taking the job. They might be writing that England are crap but they still think England should have one of the best managers in the world.
Redknapp would have got away with that because he'd feed them stories, and there's nothing a journalist likes more than someone who'll talk to them. But Roy just isn't enough of a personality for them.
dont pretend you dont. the euro leagues best players by stats:
I don't like it.
They've not been *that* good on the two occasions I've seen them play against Wales (admittedly Tuesday was a dead rubber as far as they were concerned). Quite chuffed for them, though, as their fans are a Great Bunch of Lads, etc.
maybe like 3