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torn knee ligaments
cannae find it. 6 months sounds really short for torn ligaments though
And this slow mo of his footwork on friday is ridiculous http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srSpVAzqSPg
Wish he wouldn't have been such a dickhead.
United could've had Pogba, Rav and Janujaz as a midfield for 10 years and it looks like we might lose them all for nothing
that's a paddlin'
Janujaz looks like an enforcer to me
Beat the shit teams home and away, beat the middling teams at home and not drop points away, don't drop points against your main competitor. If the fixtures had been reordered it would have looked comfortable, just a bit ballsy/tediously conservative to bank on winning the last two games under pressure.
If Ukraine hadn't drawn to Moldova last year, England would be in the playoffs now. Thin margins and all that.
but in retrospect the only 'disappointing' result was not beating Ukraine at home. Doesn't change the fact that we look absolutely pony.
Is how much shit Roy had to put up with at the start of his tenure.
The Ferdinand / Terry issue, the fact clubs weren't releasing players for friendlies, having Lambert as our only fit striker for an imperative away game (hence why we went defensive). We've always been fairly attacking when we've been at home or had the personnel available.
an England team playing about as close to its ability as any England team i can remember since Euro 96
sure players like Welbeck, Sturridge, Townsend are a bit rough and unpolished, but there's an air of unpredictability about them. thought Poland defended mostly quite well last night too, so that's a positive.
the big news is Bosnia though obv
England were good in 2002 and 2004 too I think.
England aren't as good a team in terms of player quality, but they're playing no worse than when the players were better
and I haven't given a shit about England for years
European qualifiers: Belgium, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Russia, Bosnia, England, Spain
Playoff teams: Croatia, Portugal, Greece, Ukraine, France, Sweden, Romania, Iceland
As mentioned yesterday the first four there are likely to be the seeded teams.
Africa: Ghana thrash Egypt 6-1 in their first leg, so they’re through anyway.
South America qualifiers: Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador
Uruguay to play Jordan in a playoff
Concacaf qualifers: USA, Costa Rica, Honduras
Mexico to play New Zealand in a playoff
Heading into the last minute Mexico were going out and Panama were in the playoff. Then USA had to ruin everything by scoring against Panama, saving their biggest rivals.
All downhill from here.
Glad for Woy though. He looked so happy afterwards, like he'd spotted a lovely plump fieldmouse.
Good to see that getting het up about footy in the early hours of the morning isn't restricted to DiS.
Poor Arron Lennon must be miserable. He must be about 4th choice at Spurs now.
funeral on Monday
...excited about playing against norwich!
But, next month will see its return in Interlull III: The Bloodening
I think the main reason I tend to be down on international breaks is because it so often consists of England having some boring fixtures in a group where there's no real danger of not qualifying. And as a result of that, the games are often boring as sin. But in games like Friday's and yesterday's, when there's a little bit of pressure, and you make a proper event of it with your mates, and you actually jump up and go mental when you score, it's great.
they'd already qualified right? sure there is someone else they could've played there..
and slip out of the play-off place.
Mexico get the play off place. They've only won two games in the whole qualifying campaign, away to Jamaica and home to Panama.
all the other players came and touched his headbandless head really gently, like they were stroking a really fragile kitten. It was the most tender thing I ever seen on television
Should have hurled it into the crowd.
were england any good?
how shit were poland?
was leighton baines good?
was gary linekar anywhere to be seen on any TV coverage? russell (i was at russell brand last night) picked gary out in the audience and asked him why he was there on such a big night for england. i want to know if it was a made up joke.
was gary linekar anywhere to be seen on any TV coverage last night? i was at russell brand last night, and he made a joke that gary linekar was in the audience, and asked him why he was at a comedy show when it was such a big night for the england football team. i couldnt see if it was really gary linekar from where i was sitting, and so i want to know if it was a scripted gag (the joke went on a bit more) or whether gary linekar was really there.
trying to heal all of Mesut Ozil's broken metatarsals last night.
Got well tired of his endless threaded passes aimed straight at a Polish defender whilst Baines and Townsend stood either side in acres of space waving their arms.
Also his corners are fucking terrible
Come on, maaaan!
Good header, but I found him very wasteful in possesion.
Thought Townsend, Carrick and Baines were all first rate. Welbeck and Sturridge were decent until they got into the box and Welbeck's knees turned to jelly and Sturridge started trying to play billiards
- none of his little link-up passes came off
- got tackled in his own half several times
- headband looks stupid AND he now looks creepy without it now we've got used to it
Carrick was guilty of trying too many not-quite-good-enough SlideRule™ passes through the middleas well, so maybe they're both used to playing with better players.
The amount of times Poland were bunched in the centre and England neglected to pass into someone in space on the wing was pretty annoying. Made up for it with the amount of times Townsend tackled Stevie G though.
awful corners though, aye.
'What, you want me to beat two men then flip a cross in. Sure'
Rooney was fucking immense.
Stevie me la- as above
before praising it to the heavens.
Ohhhhhhh total geometric perfectio.... <ball sails 30m over the touchline>
Precision football from the master of passing Stevie Gerra... <fired long ball bounces over winger's head into touch>
GERRRRRAAAAARRRRDDDDDD <ball hits the moon>
i really, really dont want him to play anymore. it's so annoying.
fine, not in important posistions, but against better teams you need the ball.
I do very much agree with this post^ when assessing Gerrard for Liverpool)
He does a lot to make up for that though.
But yeah, drop the prick when we're at Brazil.
just a bit overrated.
miles better than gerrard, obviously.
Good, hearty belly laugh at them trying to retcon their way out of that.
only went out as townsend backed up to take it on the bounce instead of first time and it went over him
Whenever england are in attack he's bossing the back 4, whenever [insert opponent] are on the break he's marking their centre half. He's a liability, tactically managers must find him infuriating.
And when he's occasionally caught in the middle of the park he's pedestrian.
Cannot see how he/anyone thinks he should be captain now let alone in another 9 months time, against better sides, in the heat.
Man, those balls he was putting in, time after time.
Sorry Cole, you're gone
He offered real width yesterday and England were better for it, but they were perilously close to being hit on the counter down Leighton's side in the first 30 minutes or so.
Baines suits a more expansive, devil-may-care game but <some cliche about being punished by better teams>.
Personally I'd be happy to see England play a wide, expansive game even if it is at the cost of goals and results. But with Hart not in form, the Jagielka/Cahill partnership not the strongest, Walker being dodgy as fuck and the midfield anchor roles usually being filled by players with attacking tendencies, I wouldn't count on Baines starting from now on.
There might be a bit of competition for right wing once Walcott is back and people realise that smacking the ball straight at the keeper 10 times a match doesn't make Townsend the new Ronaldo, but other than that, no-one's place in the team is really under any pressure.
Everyone can probably guess Hodgson's most likely starting 11 if everybody's fit, but in terms of guaranteed starters there's probably only Hart, Gerrard and Rooney
more that the back up isn't so great. Could all change over the course of the season but I wouldn't be surprised if what we saw last night (with maybe Wilshere for Carrick, Cole for Baines and Walker for Smalling) is pretty much what we're going to get in Brazil.
All deserved a serious Hazarding.
and the ball boys were obviously under instruction to get the balls back sharpish and there isn't much rooand there's no slope like...erm fulham and ot.
clive sodding tydlsyeysly saying 'anywhere will do now!!!' in regards to any clearance made by anyone in the last 15 minutes. Not just confined to England games, but i hate him.
He's a bit of an idiot, but was much less of a tub-thumping, three lions, 'every time you pull on the shirt' merchant than I expected. Kept a dignified distance from most of Chiles' nonsense as well.
predominantly because it's always great to see a country who've not been at a World Cup before and we must be running out of candidates.
before two late goals including a 90th minute penalty flip reversed it :(
How much everybody wanted the ball, moved into space and while I wouldn't go so far as to say they were comfortable on the ball, they didn't treat it like a grenade to be gotten rid of as quickly as possible. for the latter half of the first half, they even looked sexy.
They're not suddenly amazing, but it was actually entertaining to watch, and when stuff went wrong it was out of endeavour rather than fear.
Also Roy looked so happy :D
I've been very impressed with their movement and the improvement in their one touch passing.
Still lose it far more than say a Germany or Spain but it's worked well against the group sides.
I'm really chuffed for his recent success. Gwan lad
So IN YOUR FACE, EGYPT!
just kidding, it won't be difficult at all
Good to see that they might have finally realised that the decade long experiment with Frank "Lamps" Lampard and Steven "Stevie G" Gerrard doesn't work.
A minute later they fucking took Carrick off and then we started to panic and get overrun and just misplacing all the passes.
Gerrard pisses me off when he tries to do the disciplined holding role, he's there about 70 % of the time so Carrick sort of pushed forward, but that's not his game. Then about 30% of the time Gerrard is missing from that space in front of the defence and we're fucked.
Did enjoy it though - have to have Baines in ahead of Cole, or Cole defending and Baines pushed further forward.
Do like 'Welbs' and Sturridge and Townsend. Full of running and maybe not the best technically but it's a bit difficult to be really intricate for the national team as they don't get to practice together much. So just bundle through, I'm fine with that!
Seems like forever. Painful stuff.
its the gerrard/anyone experiment. its never going to work because he just launches the ball upfield whenever he has it.
For England Gerrard often just seems to do whatever he wants. Best I've seen him play in recent times for England (don't watch enough Liverpool to comment) was at the Euros where he had a role and stuck to it, and was tops
need to stock up on car flags first though
so we need them to win the 2nd leg of their playoff. preferably they will come up with some new kind of onesie or pantsuit to bring to brazil too.
they're my favourite team to watch - pour about 8 men forward when attacking and then brutally clog anyone in defence. There was a game in the Olympics where they had a guy sent off for scything down someone and instead of holding off like normal people they redoubled their scything. Amazing stuff
i always used to find us fucking up quite funny and entertaining, but with expectations fairly realistic, and a team full of relatively likeable players, next summer could mean something when we play as i usually force myself to get into it. a fairly tough group would add to it i think, particularly if we manage to draw brazil in the group stages (we're second seeds right?)
me and my pals were also talking that, no offence to james milner (he's a decent player), but without him in the team you can really root for the way we play a lot more. he's become an unfortunate byword of how people have viewed england for the last 5 or so years. we're not going to win the world cup so we might as well be a bit bold and proactive and do more than the boring workmanlike shit.
i guess it goes in circles, but i would rather we went to a tournament a bit gung ho like we used to in from 1996 onwards for a bit than the way we have played recently, especially in 2010/2012 where we were stumbling to dreadful 0-0 draws and losing on pens and never looking like we could actually do anything.
question: would people be happy if we won the world cup in the same way greece won the euros or would it be a bit rubbish?
how you can win a major international tournament defending. it was a total freak
What they do say is good organisation etc means even crappy teams can sometimes punch above their weight.
brazil, spain, germany, argentina definitely.
then columbia, uruguay, holland, italy?
they are 6th in the world yet have not qualified for anything in ages. hmmm.
shotgun in their group!
that time when we beat argentina in the group stages was rad
'Both of those sides will probably join England in the ''European'' pot although with only four UEFA sides seeded, it means there will be a spare team from the continent to join one of the two two brackets.'
thrashed spain a couple of times competitively have they?
Ouch. What happens if Uruguay lose to Jordan? Italy and the Netherlands have the same points, with only one able to be in the top seeds
There are going to be 9 non-seeded European sides in the draw (as there are only four in the seeds), so don't know how that will work with the pots. Just one European side being shoved into another pot? That could mean three European sides in one group though
but i bet it it will take about 2 hours to do long to do the draw.
seeded south american team with 2 european teams?
i'm sure it will all be made clear at the time of the draw, in the form of a 17 hour long tv preview.
this time there would be a group of 8 euro
The Asian, Oceania and North America Group (which is eight, assuming Jordan lose to Uruguay)
Then the other group would have six African sides, one South American side (Chile) and one Euro side. Maybe it would be the lowest ranked (?) Euro side and they can't be drawn in a group with a European top seed. If Iceland or Romania don't win their playoffs that side would be most likely to be France or Ukraine I guess.
So you could get something like
cue Luis Suarez and Edison Cavani coming down with food poisoning just before the playoff
Switzerland may look the easiest, but yeah, snoozefest. I like the idea of playing Colombia
And I've decided that this is the group I want.
That would be fun.
even better in south america
That's what losing twice to Scotland can do to a man.
1 This for 1 Respect.
might make it to the last 16 or 8
I have a sort of answer to your shit question:
I hope this helps in some small way as you grieve for Mesut.
2 things i remember from last night.
1. russell offering to give gary a luxurious blow job at the end of the night.
2. russel saying, 'did you get seat yourself gary? or did peter beardsley book it, pay for it and get you some drinks at the bar before you snathced them all off him at the last second?'
and a cock joke!
I hope you had to pay £100 for your ticket.
then YOU could be hanging out with meths and Gary Lineker.
Bloody love Nobby Solano
has the second biggest sports stadium in the world apparently.
New 'more difficult for keepers' World Cup ball controversy
Awkwardly misjudged Official England Song
Everyone getting angry with James Corden
Jack Wilshere's continued descent/ascent to new Gazza status culminating in him telling all of Peru to 'fuck off'.
maybe luis figo?
He'd be amazing, fucking love the guy
Middlesbrough Juninho? Struggling to think of any other former Brazilian footballers who have a good grasp of English. Gomes?
Sitting perfectly still, never changing his expression, answering every question with a quiet, but decisive, 'yes' or 'no'
ITV will settle for miscellaneous South American
they'll have some late 30s/early 40s good looking guy in a sharp suit.
whos the south american version villas boas?
IN EVERY SINGLE GAME,YES!
they're going to do a reworking of Sloop John B I just fucking know it :(
Is it just when they media starts thinking they can spell a foreign name in a fancy way cos they can? (See: Muralitharan/Muralidaran)
when does the premier league start again?
I was enjoying that
I was already, he's always carried himself well, gazumped Harry to the job (whose tenure would've been an absolute disaster, i'm pretty sure of that) and the way the redtop media try to portray a man with such a history in the game as some sort of prize clown just endears him to me even further, but he's answering the doubters as well.
The squad look quite content, players are being selected largely on merit, there's a better balance both in the team and squad, the football is getting better in spells, and some promising young players are coming through. Roy's also debunked the myth that he's a managerial dinosaur by proving quite flexible in terms of both selection and tactics.
Don't really think the ifs and buts are valid either, football is a game won and lost on the smallest of margins; a point, a goal, even just a key incident. We've come through quite a tough group there unbeaten, and whilst having to adjust to life without a few key players through either retirement or injury.
Course, the important thing is to keep expectations realistic. There are several stronger squads than ours, and quite a few better teams, but there are promising, quantifiable signs that things *are* improving.
Couldn't really care less if we exit the World Cup at the QF stage, or later or earlier, so long as we vaguely resemble a team, the players and manager look interested, players are selected fairly and there are signs, however small, that progress is being made.
This post is probably too long for 6pm/generally. Just wanted to say that Roy's a chief and this is probably the least cynical i've felt as an England fan since Euro '96.
now. Wish all England games were like this. Someone mentioned it above but football really is best when there's something riding on the result. Must've have been quite an enjoyable watch down the pub with a few mates.
Saw Denmark absolutely lay into Malta last night. Atmosphere was good considering they were never likely to make the playoffs. Got invited back for a few drinks by random bunch of mensch pissed up Danes and the night ended as these things tend to do watching euro 1992 and Monty Python you tube clips at 3am on Tuesday. Great bunch of lads.