New season started last night, use this thread to discuss The Walking Dead
I've only got myself to blame
And I thought the comic was shit!
The other four (or so) make me want to set fire to my teeth
The second and third were brilliant. (The opposite of what happened to Homeland). Looking forward to the series starting on Friday.
why can't he die?
and I hated him as a teacher in teachers.
but as a walking dead in the walking dead, I like him!
apart from darryl.
maggie is quite good.
Think I prefer him to his comic book incarnation.
Michonne is good. Merle was good. T-dogg? Um....
oops just realised i havent seen all of series 3.
Im interested to see what theyll do with it.
Is it not being pushed much or am I just not paying attention?
Was slightly dubious of another season in the prison but the whole enemy inside idea looks like it'll have mileage. A nice big budget should mean plenty of action again, too.
It's being advertised on the other channels absolutely none of the time
will start showing it sometime next year no doubt :/
*backs out of thread until the weekend*
Perservering with Dexter for three series of utter shit burned me pretty bad...
should've done so during season 2. a positive consensus on the first 5 or so episodes may convince me to carry on though
the plotline with Rick was kinda dull but I liked the rest. nice to see a little society developing, I presume before it's all violently torn apart later on in the season. and, oh look, D'Angelo Barksdale! He's aged remarkably well.
I was pretty disappointed with the end of season 3, largely because it wasn't the stomach churning end the prison arc had in the comics, but in retrospect I think it's good they've done this because it's now so divorced from the comic they can do pretty much whatever they want.
was a little bit weird. i'm sure they were trying to portray her as gone emotionally cold or whatever but it just seemed faintly comical. it's tough being an expendable character on this show..
the set-piece with the roof was class though. shades of aliens
EW: What would you say might be slightly different in the way the show might look and feel with you at the controls?
GIMPLE: I loved working for both guys. I’m really proud of the work I did under both guys. I’m really trying to pursue a greatest hits approach. I did “Pretty Much Dead Already,” and I was so happy and proud to do that episode. I did “Save The Last One,” I did “Clear” and “Hounded,” and I just want to make more episodes like that. And I’m so excited about the stories that are upcoming that are inspired by the comic book.
EW: Does that mean we’re going to see a lot of stuff from the comic book in season 4?
GIMPLE: You know that the show and the comic book are in very different places, so in some ways we can’t do exactly what was in the comic book in many ways. But the way I look upon it is that it’s sort of like a remix of the comic books. So absolutely, we’re going to see all sorts of things from the comic book. Some of the things will be very direct as we move forward. A lot of things will just be kind of the same content but in different contexts — different characters doing some of the things we saw in the comic books, situations from the comic book, but sort of in different locations, involving different people. I think comic fans will be able to pick out like, “Oh damn, they did that in a whole different way, but it is that moment. It’s undoubtedly that moment.”
Gimple has written all the best episodes. Particularly Clear, which is one of my favourite episodes of any TV show ever
Save The Last One, 18 Miles Out and Clear are pretty much mf fav episodes...
You can't spend 15 episodes building up a big bad like the Guv to end up with a dribble of an ending like that
For all the show's faults, it never fails to come up with innovative ways for zombies to be involved.
Also four black characters had dialogue, none of them died immediately YET 2 faceless white stereotypes died pretty sharpish. Strong
(his character certainly was in the comics)
(oddly missing this week with all the bedlam)
(the scenes inside the prison with everyone running around were GREAT)
Even by Walking Dead standards. I approve.
of how 'Talking Dead' is 40 minutes long whereas 'Talking Bad' was only 20 minutes long
but then got extended
got out midway through series 3 when i realised that i couldn't give a solitary fuck about any character, anything they did or anything that happened to them.
be vastly improved if everyone got killed and then they just showed a season of zombies shuffling around. hour after hour and moaning and shuffling. big improvement.
Carol becoming a coldblooded killer. Season 4 has been stepping it up so far.
that the production values seemed really odd/budget? seemed to play like a soap opera, much less cinematic?
There's a lot of inconsistencies in it, the filming and the behaviour of characters and zombies. I still like it though. Thought the last episode was good, it had lots of sensible real-life style dialogue and actual conversations instead of staring at each other menacingly. Too much of that in all tv. If only characters had real conversations.
Interested to see what Carol gets up to.
The bit at the end-ish of the precious episode where they drove the car into the wall of zombies. Good bit.
and Tyreese NEVER removing his hat
extra question - do zombies ever eat each other?
they should probably throw the dead ones over the fence for the zombies rather than wear themselves out digging graves
unintentionally (i wager) hilarious stuff.
the way they've just brought the Woodbury crowd in as pure redshirts (who have almost being wiped out now to a (wo)man) is sadly predictable but sad all the same. that decision to move from Woodbury to the prison: didn't really work well, did it?
Herschel prioritising a discreet zombie kill over rushing to help Glenn (choking on his own blood) as soon as he could - uh, fuck off
i miss the first half of season 1. think i'm almost done with the show but might tune in next week for the comedy factor
I thought season 3 picked things up a fair bit after a tedious season 2 (although things picked up towards the end). This season is going the way of season 2 with them being stationary for too long. Hopefully the Governor will start to sort things out...
Thoughts on the return of The Governor?
Hopefully things will kick off soon.
episode was a good change of pace, an average slow/building episode but sets up a confrontation quite nicely. gonna be weird t osee how he gains control of the group to go after the prison.
did anyone notice on the side of the barn with all the writing on it had 'Negan is dead'.. not sure how common the name Negan is in the US of states but thought it coudl be a nice nod to the comics
without Ric, can't stand him
presume the Governor's new niceness won't last, also why didn't the prison crew dig a trench? better than that flimsy old wire fence.
guessing the site is too big..?
would be a bit of a job, especially by hand
Governor certainly had some zombie killing skillz, that little girl is going to be traumatised for life
after seeing her grandpas head smashed in to then seeing one of ems throat being ripped out.. nice gruesome deaths :D
good point about them being on one side all the time.. near the gate.. maybe because thats where the cars enter so make a noise... dunno :/
but I just found it boring and stupid. Only made it part the way through season 1. Does it pick up at all between 2 and 3?
very much so.
The first half of the second season is boring and infuriating, but it picked up for the second half, and season three was consistently enjoyable, often exciting, and easily the best yet.
Season four is all over the place - it's all gone a bit soap opera as the producers realise that the show is probably more popular with people over 35 than below it. Also, way too many redshirts, characters becoming clichés and stupid plot twists/holes. But it's (kinda) balanced out by some great set-pieces, the odd interesting development, and the latest episode finally seemed to get this season moving...
The second season almost lost me, but it redeemed itself in the second half.
The third season was a big improvement, with generally more going on and less sitting around.
I did think this season had started like the second, but hopefully things will get moving now.
zombiegeddon = 20000% increase in sprained ankles
biters. walkers. monsters. they are literally zombies.
last 2 eps have picked this season up a bit after a lackluster start.
that doesn't have the concept of zombies in the cultural consciousness (or whatever a less lame way of saying that is). Otherwise half of the episodes would be Glenn and Rick saying 'this is totally like Day of the Dead', 'CHOKE ON IT LOL', etc. etc.
of course Schumpert was killed offscreen. 'he was never the same after Woodbury'. you mean he started showing signs of a personality and speaking dialogue?
sad about Martinez. even more sad that the writers gave him the idiot ball. 'this psychopath who massacred a bunch of people because they wouldn't bend to his will says that he's a changed man? cool! i'm going to get drunk, give him a golf club and tell him i'm not sure if i can keep the camp safe!'
the writing is so, so bad.
all Daryl's fault for telling Michonne to give up the hunt? and how hard were they hunting?
followed it since the first season quite avidly, but the current one is unbearable shit. the writing is fucking abysmal. across the entire run of the show i reckon you could condense all the good moments into a six episode series. The only true standout episode was the very first which captured a kind of ethereal element to the disaster. they've not tried that since. Just thinking about the amount of time I've spent on this show is making me angry!
Season 4 has been the best so far in my opinion. Also for anyone who has read the comics, seems like next week is gonna be what we all thought the season 3 finale would be.
tank vs prison next week should be fun
So I think it's fair to say that people are going down next week, but who?
Martinez is probably the only slight 'name' to have died so far. I'm betting one of the Greene family.
Although Glenn and the girl (can never remember her name) are the only ones with a relationship currently so that would be future coupley storylines gone.
assuming they will all be well over the blood choking by then too
Maybe his other daughter?
when you'd think the Guv'nor would be trying to decide what the next plan of action should be. Maybe via some sort of analogous conversation with someone about something else. I dunno, like chess mayb-
WAIT A SECOND
they did it
they went and did it
Bleak as fuck and an ostensibly exciting episode I guess but where the fuck can they go now?
There is nothing enjoyable about this show and I'm starting to realise that's not necessarily down to it's (many) flaws but just that by it's very nature there is nowhere it can go. These people struggle to survive until they die. Rinse, repeat. It's killed a baby now, is there really any mileage at all left in it?
if you've not, basically, switch a few characters around, and that's how the prison arc ends, except with the Woodbury people invading. so it's how everyone who has read them expected season 3 to end (albeit maybe with less of the decapitation), and it's why we were all pretty disappointed with how it turned out.
there's probably good argument to be maid that the comics have never really recovered from that. it was the first big mega-arc storyline they had and it was so overwhelming at the time - i remember reading the collected volume on my lunch break at work and feeling a little shellshocked all afternoon. i think it has recovered a lot in the last year or so, which still leaves about 40 issues where very little memorable happened.
I'm done with it now. I don't know if it's the Chad Kroeger-esque country-rock that plays every time someone's having an emotional moment after caving a few undead heads in, but it's just shit. It's laughable. Terrible acting, terrible dialogue and then you have to put up with some shit song whilst the sheriff looks wistfully, unconvincingly into the distance in slow motion. Fuck that, it's utter cack.
A couple of episodes ago this happened, but the song was a demo version of Serpents by Sharon van Etten and it fit in really well, and actually gave me goosebumps; something the show's never achieved before.
Literally couldn't take it any more
I think the fundamental narrative flaw that comes with the TV show wouldn't necessarily translate to the graphic novels though? We fundamentally watch TV shows to find out what happens next at the end of the day and when "what happens next" is so inherently predictable due to the nature of the show it doesn't matter how many new ways they find to do it, it's still going to end up dull.
I guess when it comes to a graphic novel there's a more aesthetic appreciation that is inherent to the format which doesn't come out in the TV show and that can override the narrative flaws.
no body. could be a fake-out.
My eyes are tired ¬.¬
I wonder how long they're going to stay fragmented for? The groups that they left in probably wouldn't make for the most engaging TV. Which of Tyreese & Daryl is going to come across Carol first (and would Daryl even be better seeing as he told Tyreese he'd personally put a crossbow bolt in the head of the person responsible)? Was Carol covering for the little psychopath kid (I assume she was responsible for all the rat stuff?)? Don't see how it's even physically possible, but there are a lot of things suggesting it. And given Tyreese is with all the kids (lol) now, it could prove, er, interesting. Is the baby alive - if so with who? Please tell me the baby's not still alive. Surely it'd be kind of doomed even if it got away. Tara & Lilly are presumably going to meet up with some of the survivors, would be a bit pointless to clearly establish them as surviving otherwise.
Arghhh, questions. I hate waiting :-(
Tyreese and the girls come across Carol. They hang out together and Tyreese grows to love the girls and Carol.
Last episode they come across Daryl and Rick who tell him the truth and then psycho girl is like actually I did it.
FYI not based on comics just in case you're worried about spoilers. However in my head I've just realised how that is resolved and it is a comic spoiler so I'll keep that to myself
That the new showrunner has basically had to write himself out of the hole Mazzara left him in.
Gimple's had to end this half season how s3 should have ended (kill off Woodbury ppl with plague, give Gov some semblance of character so the big battle had some emotional impact).
Interested to see where it goes from here. Intrigued by the theme of going from comfort to complete abandonment.
"I read all those straight through as one comic. It becomes the story of a heartless man tormenting a scarred child for hours."
enjoyed stealing these ones from /r/thewalkingdead
Simply brilliant. The darkest and grimmest episode yet.
Actually, the older one (Lizzy?) is a good actress when she's not having to be hysterical. It's been a strange series. The second half has felt really scattered, but I've enjoyed seeing more of the Daryl/Beth and Tyrese/Carol dynamic.
But horrific. I'm still a bit shakey from it now.
There's been a mauve
a massive improvement in the series since the group was split up. Really enjoying the current episodes.
But fucking hell, that last one ...
has really livened up the show for me. well its not so much livelier but definitely a breath of fresh air the way they've done the episodes.
two more left which will bring em all back together again.
i wonder what that massive fire was (if anything other than something to show the difference in intelligence between the two kids)?
did i make up the idea that they were sort of foreshadowing a romance with her and stupid carl? knowing glances and shit.
her and derl aren't going to get together are they? :(
where Beth fancied Rick? After looking after the baby all day.
Has every upset me rather than shock me - i.e I felt an emotional connection to what took place rather than just RANDOM DEATH.
The transformation under Gimple having rid himself of the baggage of the past has been stark
The show has been superb:
The episode focussing on him post end of season 3, plus the one with the focus on the two girls were utterly brilliant
Hope they manage to keep it this good for the foreseeable
Getting sick of reading the AV Club reviews since they've given it to someone who hates the show and gave this week's a C calling it hilarious
Didn't agree with alot of it, but this is a good point:
You have two kids and a baby, and two adults. Is there any possible reason for the two kids and the baby to ever be left unsupervised that doesn’t begin with “Well, we need to leave Lizzie and Mika alone so Lizzie can-”?
was expecting more from the last episode tbh. they kind of got me excited for the next season but won't be as excited tomorrow, never mind 7 months time. verdict: season good, finale: limp
but the bit were derrl's crew met up with rick's was harrowing. i was harrowed.
When Rick was explaining the rabbit trap and I was like OH SHIT, that's terminus
Really loved it
When Rick went feral was a direct lift from the comics wasn't it? That scene was beyond grim, brilliantly done
I'm also wondering if these Terminus folks are cannibals? Am I stating the obvious?
Loads of meat
human remains poised in the foreground of one shot
Not killing them
It's pretty obvious, and also a storyline from the comics
they said on Talking Dead that they had the comics on set whilst filming
rough comic / show comparisons from this episode
The final line was obviously meh but when Rick went mental and started shooting up the Apple Store employees and then when Carl is left there as the last one to walk into the container was tense as fuck. lovely stuff.
he was about to get half his face shot off.
the CGI would've been too expensive for them. probably used up the budget on Hershel's leg.
And did one with fuck loads of times, so I suspect the blu ray will have a different version
I mean it's pretty violent and horrific, seems daft when the language seems too tame
...there's no need to forget the proper decorum, even if they are Americans.
it's an odd one. it felt more like a midseason finale, but then this entire half felt like the first half of a season, not a back half. cheers to Glenn Mazarra for that one.
so... where's Beth?
but moreseo, where are Tyreese, Carol and the baby? I assumed the discarded packets of condensed milk/formula/whatever was intended as a giveaway that the others would be in the truck, but they were clearly absent.