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I'm a fan. I seem to be the only person in the world who is, but I think they've conducted themselves marvelously in the face of people treating them like cunts.
There, but for the grace of a higher power, go millions of other parents.
I can't imagine the anguish that they've been through. Losing a child like that.
I can understand how Kate's hysteria could be grating, but it only takes a little bit of compassion to be understanding of her situation/actions.
It's quite easy to separate out the press reaction to Madeleine's disappearance from the actions of the parents, myself. Not sure what the latter have done to deserve such derision.
I dunno, I feel really involved in this case because my grandparents live in Praia da Luz and I've been there pretty much every year of my life. Somebody, somewhere, knows something, and while the town is surrounded by miles and miles of empty scrubland where things could stay hidden for years and years, you do get these cases where girls have been locked up for years in some sicko's basement and they finally get out.
Sounds like some coked-up idiot making up shite, because if you really had met the child, you would know that by bragging about it to an officer of the court, you're probably going to get into trouble. really odd, but then this has been a curious case from the start.
From a lawyer's perspective, it's certainly very odd and I suspect we're only getting a small section of the story.
when they used the fund they set up to make mortgage payments
He said that lots of patients refuse to be operated on by him or treated by him and his career has bene severely compromised. You also have to factor in that they didn't work for the firts couple of years of the search, so presumably any application of funds to cover mortgage payments, thus keeping a roof over the head of their other two children was not particularly OTT.
and said that he's a really good guy and very professional.
But I'm still baffled why you would leave children unsupervised in a hotel room whilst dining out...
But if they were not middle-class 'respectable' pillars of the community would they receive as much support for the public?
reported "similar" cases of kidnapping between social classes. However, we all know the reality of the Shannon Matthews case now.
Ditto Tia Sharpe, but of course her family turned out to be part of some horribly scummy love triangle (wasn't her murderer her 'grandfather' but he also used to shag her mum? Or comething. Grim. And obviously a feild day for the red top rags.)
because of the set-up of the place (it's like a resort complex. they probably didn't see it as 'dining out' so much, (plus the parents- the McCanns and I think another two couples- were taking it in turns regularly to check up on all of the children.)
When me and my sis were kids we'd go on cruises sometimes as a family. We'd have children's tea at about 5ish and go to our beds in our cabin about 8 and mum and dad would leave us in our cabins while they went for adult dinner and a couple of drinks.
every single parent on the cruise was doing the same. I guess abduction is less of a risk at sea )as how do you make your escape with the child) but it does make me realise that perhaps parenting and expectations were a bit more relaxed back in the day.
I would say that it is not an uncommon thing for parents on holiday to do this. If the complex they were on is generally secure, they were a minute away, and they were nipping back to check regularly then it is probably less rare than you'd think.
Not sure if the question has ever been asked as to whether the other couples they dined with were doing the same thing.
Personally, I wouldn't do this unless I was in earshot - e.g, sitting outside the room around the pool. But I do feel for them - losing a child this way must be worse in some ways than a child dying
All of the couples were taking it in turns to check on ALL of the children, not just their own. I can't rememnber how regularly, but I don't thinik they were left for more than half an hour at a time. I can't remember how long they were left for in total.
Fuck it, I know somebody who's fairly snitchy at GMP, I'm going to ask her about this barrister story as it's totally weird.
...my parents would do this. Seems like a sensible course of action if you ask me, but we're all different.
I'm sure Kate and Gerry McCann are haunted by their actions sufficiently to have `learnt their lesson` about it.
the crime took place in Portugal). The way the media was used to help and then slightly turned again the McCanns. The way the public were almost like a jury in terms of coming to a ocnclusion of what happened and who was to blame and at fault. The horrible tragedy is the bottom line that a young girl was taken and may never be found again.
if somebody told a lie about me, publicly, which damaged my reputatoin, I'd bloody well sue. Also, they haven't had their day in court regarding the disappearance (because nobody has been xcharged- mccanns or otherwise) so maybe they feel that this gives them a platform on which they can defend themselvses publicaly and under oath.
And the money.
1. Has the book really damaged their reputation, to the tune of £1m?
2. Doesn't suing damage their reputation (more)?
3. Doesn't it hinder the ongoing Scotland Yard investigation?
4. Doesn't it continue to damage their relationships in Portugal?
5. The book isn't written by some crack-pot, but a very senior investigator in the case. There are question-marks about the McCann's actions on that day. Suing comes across as ultra-defensive.
In the end, it doesn't help solve the mystery/bring back Maddie. In my opinion it maybe worsens things.
in their situation, I think.
I'm still not convinced that in the grand scheme of things it's helpful to sue - but it's a complex issue for them to weigh up.
The press made up that nickname, and it's not something that she was ever called by her family.
OPn the suing, you can't put a number or price tag against what might be adequate compensatoin for the hurt caused by the allegatoins he made in his book. The very fact that he is a aenior cop means, I think, it is even MORE important that they have some acknowledgment that he was taling rubbish.
Given the portuguese justice system, this is not without risk, so I'm pretty iumpresssed with them for going ahead with it.
But £1m is a nice round number to ask for
Boils my blood that.
is that libel isn't about 'hurt', it's about losing out financially due to your professional reputation, lose of earnings, or the fact that people just think worse of you.
I think it's hard to prove that a book which contains lots of well-debated issues in the case will directly and negatively impact on the McCanns. We'll see what happens.
As I've said in this thread, gerry's career has really suffered as a result of this. Patients don't wnat him as their doctor and there's every chance this guys' revelations have contributed to that problem.
he's still a consultant with a large academic workload and he'll still be seeing plenty of patients. As I mentioned above, my mum has worked with him, and he's very professional and well respected.
and apparently is not going too well for the McCann's. so far the two conclusions to come from the court are that 1) There is nothing in the book which isn't in the police investigation 2) The Tapas crew lied to police to create a fake timeline.
something that doesn't lie is a cadaver dog. the one used smelt her in 3 different places, her favourite toy (which was washed by KM), the hire car and behind a sofa.
I've always wondered if that would hold up to scrutiny. Don't forget though that this was six years ago- memories of events change.
they are banned from evening mentioning this girl's name - I'm guessing the litigation force is strong in this one
this website's laissez faire attitude to libel is going to see it come roy cropper some day. There but for the grace of god..
which is 2 completely different yet completely indistinctive average men
'The witnesses said the man was white, 20 to 40 years old and of medium build. He had short brown hair, was clean-shaven and of medium height, they added.'
narrows it down
Oh no, 20 to 40 yrs-old
it's making me think of Michael j fox
but you could be on to something.
Jeans without a belt, waistband of underwear showing
That sort of thing.
like one of those glossy fleshed weridos whose age it is impossibly to guess?
Or that he's just between 20 and 40?
I clicked on it yesterday in error. Wow.
Always try and defend daddio, but maaan, this kid goes too far sometimes.
Daddio....stop with this paedo shit!
You should just talk about films, or something. You're good at that
But I did
will never be found. I hate to say it.
We, as a society, from books and films and parables and poems and songs have been conditioned to believe there is closure for all events.
The human brain is wired for conclusion and meaning. It's like someone said on here a while ago, the brain hears "tick tock" instead of a clock going "tick tick" so much is the power of needing an "ending" to things.
She got taken by someone. We don't know who or why and we never, ever will. It's heartbreaking but that's the way it is. I can't feasibly see the police getting a result from this new search.
They still occasionally do find people who've been taken. But, yes, chances are very very slim.
Sounds fitting to me
All there is at the end of Wembley Way now is a massive arch on some bricks.
it's times like this that make you grateful for twitter not having been around in 2007 eh?
These are the only time I think press regulation is right (even though it's not really).
and more press outlets took up the cause. I think on the first day of that my mum said 'massive mistake - if the press don't find someone to hold up as the villain, they'll get bored and turn it back on the parents with both barrels.'
They often get accused of 'knowing how to play the media' but i think that bit, at least, is bullshit.
took months off work, raised funds, hired private detectives. And hired a media-savvy PR man. Sad fact is that if they had been trying to handle the media themselves they would probably have been slaughtered even more than has happened.