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Finally, a scientific analysis of which things are most ruined by their dreadful, dreadful fans.
I enjoyed the evaluations of Bicycling and Sublime in particular. Your thoughts and additions are welcome.
Finally, a scientific analysis of which things are most ruined by their dreadful, dreadful fans.
I enjoyed the evaluations of Bicycling and Sublime in particular. Your thoughts and additions are welcome.
Pretty amusing
Good to see that it includes Bob Dylan. Pink Floyd and Radiohead,
but I'd like to see The Smiths in there too.
Also, it DEFINITELY needs street food in there,
especially burgers and burritos.
And pulled pork
Especially pulled pork.
Is that even still a thing?
I had a pulled pork burrito yesterday
Perhaps That London has already moved on from such trivialities but it's still very much a thing elsewhere.
I think I'll be ready to call it
when it appears on the wetherspoons menu.
(don't get me wrong, I'll be v pleased when this happens...)
i've seen (and eaten) it in a fair few crapper style establishments in the last few months.
Big Red does it now
but it's actually pretty decent. they seem to have upped their game on food massively lately...
had one from the burrito shop in the westfield the other day.
not amazing, but i was hungover so it made me happy.
I've had it in a shabby pub in Wales
It is no longer a thing.
you can get a ready-to-cook pulled pork shoulder in small sainsbury'ses now
it's shite and over priced
Tomorrow (9th October) Wetherspoons launch their new menu
Including:
However, the company is adding a new barbeque hot dog, topped with a half portion of pulled pork and grated cheese.
BOOM - We know where you'll be tomorrow
I can't actually do this today
But I am definitely doing it tomorrow. And expensing it *swoosh*
Had pulled chicken mac & cheese the other week
was immense
fuck off pulled chicken
shredded chicken. pulled chicken is not a thing
Even thats better than "Torn Chicken"
*food, generally
Calm down, Steven Poole
using infinity to properly model smiths fans
might get tricky
Tool were the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title
Surprised Game of Thrones isn't on there. Never watched it because the people who do seem like such beardy dweebs.
Your stereotype would be right for ASOFAI,
but not really for the TV show.
I don't know what ASOFAI is
But it's words like that that put me right off that sword and shield bullshit festival.
A Song Of Fire And Ice is the name of the series of books that the TV show is based upon.
Disacronymising it has actually made it worse.
Especially as it's wrong
and it's 'a song of ice and fire'...
14.41 to 14.45
ten points to H_Y_G. Well played, sir.
If you're deliberately getting it wrong just to irk the nerds,
well, bravo sir.
Would be a bit weird of him to do that as he is a beardy dweeb
Intentional or not, using an acronym instead of just saying "the books" like a normal human being is stellar work.
Because in the past others on here have started huge arguments,
when someone has suggested that the books were called Game Of Thrones.
So instead of admitting trolling
you're admitting you were wrong? Who are you and what have you done with marckee?
think this was pre-GoT
but you're behind the curve, anyhow: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news-in-pictures/news-briefly/normal-people-resign-themselves-to-watching-game-of-thrones-201106274001
Are Wes Anderson fans that bad?
I mean, they may be awful generally, but they're not awful because of a fondness for Wes Anderson. At least, that's how I'd describe myself.
Oh man, just the concept of something being "runined by fans"
is so petty it is cracking me up at my desk. might just be office-stress hysteria.
it's that sublime thing
where someone manages to effectively put into words a concept you'd never even considered, but instantly recognise as being profoundly true.
I had to check who this was made by, as, for a moment there,
I thought it might be a friend, as this is something that has come up in conversation before.
Is 'Europe' the band or continent?
Plenty of these things seem intolerable irrespective of their fans. Like veganism, and wine bars. Fucking hate veganism and wine bars.
do wine bars still exist?
bet you'd love this place
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g60763-d2164819-Reviews-V_Note_Organic_Wine_Bar_Vegan_Bistro-New_York_City_New_York.html
At least it's not in 'Europe'
Small mercies
Given that it's written by americans, I would assume that it's the continent.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/19-travelling/
Can we add travelling please?
Case for the prosecution: backpackerbanter.com
especially when done on gap years
and they return thinking they're some fucking world wise spiritualist.
surely
football should be in here?
Definitely
Either the thick shouty cunts that take their opinions from whatever The Sun tells them. The armchair Man Utd fans that only ever watch them on TV. The other newcomer pricks that believe on the back of Sky that football started with the Premier League, and any league below isn't worth watching. The other twats that claim to like football when the Euros or World Cup Come around.
I love football, actually really dislike most football fans.
I don't know what these things are:
BACKPACK RAP
CHAPPELLE'S SHOW (vague idea about this)
FERNET (I know Fernet Branca but surely this isn't what they are on about)
HOEFLER & FRERE-JONES
IRC
KOMBUCHA
RENN FAIRE STUFF
STARTUPS
THE SMELL OF BOOKS (unless this is literally the smell of books)
WACKY SNEAKERS (Brainlove?)
i think they're american.
hence the europe hatred
thi
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in order
some fucking dork will be able to explain this I'm sure
this one should have the maximum possible score
I reckon it is
dunno
internet relay chat
gross tea for idiots
swingers dressing up as robin hood
come on, man
yes it is
yes it is
Oh, ok
Rennaisance Fayre or whatever I could have understood. Startups as one word is starting up a company. I'm not having that on my watch you yank pricks.
internet relay chat?
something about that virgin advert starring usain bolt
Leave it alone
I'm a MASSIVE fan of internet relay chat. Massive.
backpacker rap is a derogatory term used to refer to more underground hip hop
it used to be used a lot in conjunction with Def Jux type stuff. it feels like a bit of a dated term to use now.
IRC is an internet chat service
kombucha is a fermented tea thing that sorta gets referenced in Sugar by System of a Down
heh
no offence intended, some fucking dork
oh yeah, insults from Mr Quibbling About Chicken Terminology here
chicken terminology is VERY IMPORTANT
I got DiSquoted, christ
I was keeping an eye on this subthread
but now that something called Def Jux has been used to explain something called backpacker rap, I'm going to go outside and yell at clouds instead
i feel like def jux was too fashionable to be backpack rap
they released some backpack records probably but they were from new york and were actually cool
backpack rap is like u.s. college town rap for people that otherwise never listened to hiphop and had ginger dreadlocks
this photo is backpack rap to me
http://confusionmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/SageFrancis_022.jpg
why is Daniel Johnston rapping?
also
idk, the whole college town thing just makes me think of nerdcore more.
i don't know what nerdcore is
actually having thought about it def jux were definitely backpack rap purely because they weren't gully mobb deep types in timberlands. but they were closer to odd future than to anticon
You don't know what nerdcore is?!
AAAH! THE SICK BURN! IT BUUURRRRNNNSSSS
:#
I kinda wish I didn't know what it was, if that helps at all.
the alarmingly extensive wikipedia entry was very informative
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerdcore
i never had any contact with any of that growing up though.
Just got lost down a wikipedia hole reading about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filk
err... wow...
oh my god the picture is so perfect
Def Jux was definitely backpacker
yep, see above marckee
BACKPACK RAP = INDIE RAP
rather than TRU GANG$TA JOINTZ, pretty much
rapidly adding to the Some Fucking Dork list here
Fernet is great, tho.
So my mum is a hipster
she's been cracking out the Fernet Branca (we use the full name) for a couple of decades now.
My favourite of her after dinner boozes is a sloe berry Jagermeister, fuck me that shit is good.
I feel the same about Campari
I've taken shit for drinking that stuff for almost decades now, and suddenly it's everywhere. I am a Campari hipster. Somebody shoot me.
Surely you know what backpacker hip-hop is?
Fernet is what you think it is: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/12/fernet-the-best-liquor-youre-still-not-yet-drinking/250381/
Hoefler & Frere-Jones are Typographers - http://www.typography.com/
Kombucha is a type of Chinese tea
Renn Faire is a a mainly US-based mixture LARPing and the Sealed Knot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_fair
And you already know what Chappelle's show, IRC, startups, the smell of books and wacky sneakers are.
Everything on the list is basically taken from stuffwhitepeoplelike
why should he know what craptracker hip hop is?
Because it's a very, very well-known term for a type of music,
that I'm pretty certain he has mentioned that he likes before on here.
It's basically the hip-hop that white, middle-class kids like/liked. Any of the DAISY-age acts, any of those connected to Solesides (DJ Shadow, El-P, Blackalicious etc etc etc), Jurassic 5, any of those on Mo Wax, any that involved crate-digging and verbal dexterity, and 'keeping it real' and old school.
mark, do you honestly think backpacker hip-hop is a very very well-known term?
if so, you're welcome to take a peek back into how people actually think and how things actually are any time you like
I'd never heard the term before
'backpacker' makes me think of that shit surfers like, like Newton Faulkner and Jack Johnson. And Pendulum.
i've never heard of it either.
It's less of a reference to the gap-year rucksacks,
and more a reference to the little backpacks they all used to wear.
On a music website, populated by thirty-somethings, I'd expect most people to know it, yes.
like i said then
you're welcome to take a peek back into how people actually think and how things actually are any time you like
As I said, balonz has mentioned on here, before, that he likes/liked DJ Shadow,
Rae and Christian etc. when they were around. That music has been known as backpacker ever since it kind of came around, and if you're into that music, it is a very well known term.
My points of reference are correct.
A whopping 33 results
https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=off&q=backpacker+rap+site%3Adrownedinsound.com%2Fcommunity%2Fboards&oq=backpacker+rap+site%3Adrownedinsound.com%2Fcommunity%2Fboards&gs_l=serp.3...12724.17105.0.17314.17.17.0.0.0.0.51.608.17.17.0....0...1c.1.27.serp..17.0.0.bTgFiDjMPes
Backpacker hip-hop gives you 175,000
7 results. Including a thread Balonz just made
https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe=off&q=%22backpacker+hip-hop%22+site%3Adrownedinsound.com%2Fcommunity%2Fboards&oq=%22backpacker+hip-hop%22+site%3Adrownedinsound.com%2Fcommunity%2Fboards&gs_l=serp.3...3320.5158.0.5875.2.2.0.0.0.0.42.79.2.2.0....0...1c.1.27.serp..2.0.0.X2j30-raGVs
polka hip-hop gives you 214,000
enjoying your work developing the marckee persona here
likewise, with the passive agressive point-scoring and assumed superiority.
you, lecturing someone else on passive-aggressive point-scoring and assumed superiority?
now i've seen it all
guys, you've just opened a wormhole
in space. Probably.
Don't you dare intervene in this
You might make them stop.
Nah, we've not really even started anything here,
despite how needy Royter's been throughout the thread.
Mate, I was there for concrete aggragategate
#neverforget
You big silly.
Hip-hop don't stop.
Everyone knows that.
I would maybe expect them to know it if they were American
not so much if they're British
On a music website which traditionally tends to ignore hip hop generally let alone the more niche sub-genres and the derogatory terms for them.
Read what I've said about what Balonz has said he likes before.
Jesus Christ, this website.
I don't listen to any hiphop at all really, unless it comes on the radio
yes, I used to love Endtroducing, Rae & Christian etc but it wasn't called backpaper hiphop then, the backpacker shit was aimed at Manu Chao back then. I guess I could have put two and two together but those block capitals threw me.
Anyway, I'm off to get a shit load of Def Jux.
Labor Days, man
Labor Days <3
Funcrusher Plus <3
Funcrusher Plus came out on Rawkus, not Def Jux
BYE
Pwned
:(
It's got nothing to do with people going travelling and the music they listen to.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=backpacker
NO DEF JUX!
4. Backpacker
A Backpacker has NOTHING to do with an over obsessive love for the Hip-Hop label Definitive Jux nor are they in any way associated with Hipsters. A Backpacker is just a person who think Rap and Hip-Hop are two different genres. Thinking Rap is about self indulgent wanna be gangstas with a need to show of their shopping list and contribute nothing to the music industry but their idiotic "thug life" ideals. They put all forms of support into Hip-Hop and just love good music in general.
Well I'm glad we can all agree that backpacker hip hop definitely HASN'T been ruined by its fans
Cold Vein, man
Cold Vein <3
THE SMELL OF BOOKS
http://drownedinsound.com/users/TheWza
Comic Book Conventions
surely are all about the fans? I mean, unless you're a moron, if you're going to a Comic Con you know you're going to be surrounded by superfans wherever you go. Hell, the only reason they even bother with those things is because of the people with their ill-fitting costumes.
how is breaking bad not here
it's fairly old, I think
Family Guy'd be my top nomination for TV shows TBH.
incredibly low quality, endlessly defensive fans
it's definitely the Tool of TV shows
they think tarantino is 8.5
no
this may've been written
a couple films back.
Love how seriously some of you are taking this
:D
this site
is probably the most obvious DiS material I've ever seen.
^Unruffled kombucha fan
what gives you the impression that anyone's taking anything seriously?
this kind of thing
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4437503#r7754908
stuff like someone asking what some stuff is and someone answering?
that is very, very serious
FIXed by fans
I have no interest in watching the last season of Breaking
I have no interest in watching the last season of Breaking Bad because of the way that cunts have been going on about what is essencially Neighbours with meth.
sounds right up your street
The day that meth hits the street, I'm shutting it off.
oh man, you've summed it up so well there
except imagine if neighbours had the occasional episode where the script was amazing, just to confuse you.
London
Although while we're getting pissy about things
I think Bob Dylan is most responsible for ruining Bob Dylan.
but then he redeemed himself
with that incredible Christmas album.
Looking forward to listening to that in a couple of months
must be Santa
I put it on in my office last Christmas
and at first everyone got angry and told me to turn it off - then they all started to appreciate the brilliance.
No, that was a dream sequence after they bashed you on the head
great thread so far.
and marckee's only just staring to get irked
staring/starting
I think 'My points of reference are correct' has a glorious future
I don't get it.
bit obvious mate.
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4437503#r7754968
No I don't get the whole ranking system
Those numbers, I don't get them.
Hope this clears things up.
South Korea
that's my joke
very good
ohgood
See also:
http://tinyurl.com/qb25s3d
like the sound of that "great folder".
the smell of books
:D
phew
arrived late enough to pretend I knew what backpacker rap was.
You STUPID honkies
hope breaking bad is in there.
breaking bad officially jumped the shark yesterday evening
when I finally watched an episode. I thought "spose I better watch it then" given everyone everywhere kept pumping their foreskins over it. To be fair I'm approaching it like someone might approach taking out the rubbish - it's a task that has to be done
also guys...
backpacker hip hop is a pretty common term. up there with bedwetter indie.
it's also such fucking inverse-snob elitist cunt bullshit
leave marckee alone
just realised that the same could be said for the 'bedwetter' debate I threw myself into with such gusto
we're all cunts!!
gonna call foul on the bill hicks/tool nexus of well-intentioned geekery
non-domestic football followers
No real ale entry?
Bit weird!
micro-brewing is there
Cat race's blog.
The gaming community
Actively reinforcing crippling negative stereotypes since 1979
Remember the lesson of Take That
If a pile of pillocks pretend to like it, doesn't mean it's crap
And remember the lesson of The Smiths
Just because a bunch of wankers like it, doesn't mean that it's shit
They've got the Average Quality and Average Fan Awfulness figures the wrong way round for car customisation
Why do people on DiS hate so much about life?
I mean I recognise it's intended as a bit of fun...but there's an undercurrent of bile to a lot of posts.
it's not so much life, it's a lot of the other people you have to endure during it
amirite guys
Yeah actually
Such a strong distaste for others it detracts from life itself.
bollocks
sometimes it feels really good to share hatred of something. sometimes i only feel emotionally connected to a person once we've helped each other articulate exactly why we hate something and it's the same. mutual love of something can never be as pure. hate is love
On a music forum though?
I find its best to balance the love and hate in real life. I guess others do too, idk
especially on a music forum
mutual hatred in person takes a lot of building up to, most people will never become that intimate
seems a bit weird to view that as a pinnacle of a relationship...
you have never known true love
Life? Don't talk to me about life.
yeah i'm not a big life guy
You're reading this thread very seriously.
The EDL
...according to their former leader.
</satire>
Wish theshipment was in this thread to school people about backpack rap
knowledgeable whilst also being totally nice and cool about it and not smug at all
like the anti-marckee
wow.
this thread is like when sheeldz ragged on the new gmail compose interface. and was completely correct whilst everyone else was talking shit.
same here. everyone's like "backpacker? wut?" in here, and then coming up with lists of Simpsons episodes using the actual proper names like that's a normal thing that people do. you people make me sick. SICK.
Only just read the bit in the middle
Can someone confirm which of marckee and brusma is the People's Front of Judea and which one's the Judean People's Front?
Justinsheeldz isn't going to sleep with you you know
I dont understand
Im old.
Please help me
ignore all the stuff in <>s
<h1>Ruined By Its Fans?</h1>
<div id="explanation">???</div>
<div id="back-to-list"><span class="arrow">?</span><br/>Back to the list</div>
<div id="whats-all-this">
<p>For those of us who prefer to spend our days enjoying things, it is a fact of life: Lots of disagreeable people like things that might otherwise be pretty cool. In early 2012, <a href="http://sexpigeon.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">Tag</a>, <a href="http://davidcole.me" target="_blank">David</a>, and <a href="http://ihatetourists.com" target="_blank">I</a>, using nothing but a Google doc and our combined grade-school knowledge of mathematics, attempted to quantify the ways in which these madding crowds might be messing up our lives. Then, because we are men with (as has been established) lives, we let the data sit for awhile.</p>
<p>What we ended up with, though, is the group of criteria what you're seein' here:
<ul>
<li><strong>Name:</strong> The items used in this survey are from a big list we created that, as far as I can remember, consisted of things we thought might have particularly objectionable fans, or things we thought might have a high disparity between actual quality and fan quality.</li>
<li><strong>Average Quality:</strong> The three of us each rated our opinion of the thing's quality, independent from the quality of its fans, from one to ten. This is the average of those numbers.</li>
<li><strong>Fan Quality:</strong> See above, except this is gleaned from our rating the quality of the fans, independent from the quality of the thing.</li>
<li><strong>Final Quality:</strong> The average quality minus the fan quality. Simply put: This is the overall percieved quality of the thing, assuming the fans' opinions are weighted equally with the quality of the thing itself.</li>
<li><strong>Degree Of Ruin:</strong> Finding out what percentage of the Average Quality the Final Quality is and subtracting it from a hundred. Simply put: The percentage of the thing's innate quality that its awful fans knock off.</li>
<li><strong>Level of Tragedy:</strong> The result of the following equation:
<em>(Average Quality*5) + (Degree Of Ruin/22)</em>
This weights the Average Quality and Degree Of Ruin to a maximum of 50 points apiece, for a potential total of 100.
The higher the original quality, and the higher the degree to which the thing is ruined by its fans, the bigger a tragedy it is. Simply put: The numerical amount, from one to 100, from which a thing's fans detract from our perception of it.</li>
</ul>
^^^Ruined by lesser-than/greater-thans
who are the 3? Why are there only 3?
I dont understand. its bad enough when you have some largish opinion polls, surely with 3 it is worse.
Surely Its better if I just do one in my own head with my own catagories, as many of these catagories are 'meh' to me.
Surely everyone should do this themselves..............................................................................or is that the nub of it? we are meant to see how the result of 3 anons cw our own? and derive drama/humour from that? If so, I didnt get much drama/humour, because Im old and much of this is meh to me. Plus, I've never met an unpleasent radiohead fan
except when they get all po-faced about whether they like muse as well
Cheap delicious cuts of meat
People raving about them will just make them expensive. Jamie Oliver is going to make shoulders of pork twice the price and in some kind of supermarket taste the difference range alone, plus add in all the pulled pork twats that have surfaced recently. Next we will find chicken thighs will cost more than breast, it will be madness.
Slow-cooked chicken thigh on a slice of Smart Price white bread
Is the new new pulled pork burrito
chicken thighs are more expensive than breasts in Japan
worst two years of my life.
Now I have red lines burned onto my retina.
#thanksobama
Kieslowski and Herzog bellends
(who can generally be co-opted under the term "Bellends who insist on calling movies films")
Average Fan Awfulness: 2.0 and 2.3 respectively. Bullshit.