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a question (food/diet related)...

mala [Edit] [Delete] 62 replies 21:23, 29 September '13

well, three...

do any of you boring bastards eat a completely natural diet?

would it even be possible without suffering any sort of short-term side effects having been, y'know, raised on a Western diet which includes plenty of carbs, salts, sugars, etc? thinking particularly of fatigue when working, headaches, etc when weaning yourself off stuff.

if so, could anyone give examples of non-grim recipes you could have if you completely cut out any kind of processed food? i've got a list of natural ingredients, but beyond omlettes for breakfast, meat/fish + veg for tea and fruit/nuts for snacks i'm struggling a bit.

comedy answers appreciated.

shoot...

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  • i think it's a good thing to aim for..

    it's difficult to go completely natural though i think, i just try and get to like 90% or something to stop myself going mad or looking like a weirdo when i go out for food

    Oh_Shangri-La | 29 Sep '13, 21:44 | X
    • i think snacks are pretty difficult too, nuts and fruit are all i seem to eat

      Oh_Shangri-La @Oh_Shangri-La | 29 Sep '13, 21:45 | X
  • You'll never manage it, boobs.

    OvertakenByTractors | 29 Sep '13, 22:00 | X
  • what does this even mean?

    fuckyeahdubstep | 29 Sep '13, 22:02 | X
    mala, DarwinDude, fuck_this_band, TheWza, incandenza_, no-class, and berksy this'd this
    • pretty straightforward, isn't it?

      see here - http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4437118

      mala @fuckyeahdubstep | 29 Sep '13, 22:04 | X
      • what's 'natural' food? what's 'fake' food? why are 'natural' things better than 'fake' things?

        fuckyeahdubstep @mala | 29 Sep '13, 22:07 | X
        • are you on fucking crack, lad?

          who used the term 'fake food'?

          is your question 'why are natural foods better than processed foods'?

          mala @fuckyeahdubstep | 29 Sep '13, 22:09 | X
          • i don't feel like processed foods are unnatural? like, cooking food is a process that irreversibly changes the structure of the proteins or whatever makes vegetables, right? unless the implication is that you can only eat raw food but i don't think that's what you're saying?

            just feels like a hippy meme to say there is 'natural' food and 'processed' food and that 'processed' food is inherently worse (in no particular way) than 'natural' food

            fuckyeahdubstep @mala | 29 Sep '13, 22:13 | X
            fuck_this_band and TheWza this'd this
            • nah.

              you're being a dickhead.

              no offence.

              mala @fuckyeahdubstep | 29 Sep '13, 22:16 | X
              Smee, Royter-Hatfood, sharp_yet_blunt, OvertakenByTractors, and no-class this'd this
              • no, it is you that is being a dickhead

                fuckyeahdubstep @mala | 29 Sep '13, 22:18 | X
                mala and fuck_this_band this'd this
                • Nope.

                  Processed food is a widely-accepted catch-all term for commercially-processed convenience food, as you well know. You're being deliberately argumentative.

                  mala @fuckyeahdubstep | 29 Sep '13, 22:23 | X
                  cocodaLOL this'd this
          • :D

            andyvine @mala | 29 Sep '13, 22:31 | X
            cocodaLOL this'd this
    • http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/793/sunisgoing.png

      shrewbie @fuckyeahdubstep | 29 Sep '13, 22:04 | X
  • i don't eat any preservatives oxy-hydroethalene etc

    except ketchup, and whatever they put in booze

    i suppose it's quite arbitrary really but it makes me feel better about myself. And I probably do eat 'processed' food though i'm not quite sure what that means.. sausages and bacon are processed, right? Not sure if life is worth living without

    there's lots of stuff you can have which is "natural" - i eat loads of bolognese and stews and stuff, just chucking a load of veg in with some meat - that's how i get my 5 a day. I also have loads of salt and fat and cholesterol but I actually want my food to taste of something

    douchebag | 29 Sep '13, 22:11 | X
    • can't you season the meat before cooking, rather than adding salt?

      mala @douchebag | 29 Sep '13, 22:15 | X
      • sure i guess

        i love me some salt though. Lots of it

        douchebag @mala | 29 Sep '13, 22:22 | X
  • I'm a bit confused. Carbs, salts and sugars are all natural

    I mean, potatoes, sea salt and fruit, that's a large chunk of my daily consumption of those and none of them need to be processed first.

    The answer to your question depends on whether milk is only natural straight from the cow. If it is I'd have no chance. Otherwise the majority of my diet is 'natural'. It's not hard: you just cook in the evening, make your own sandwiches for lunch and have porridge or the like for breakfast.

    TheoGB | 29 Sep '13, 22:16 | X
    • you know that there's a difference between natural sugars and added sugars, right?

      mala @TheoGB | 29 Sep '13, 22:21 | X
      • *I* do.

        It seemed like you weren't sure. I was just pointing these things out since I know the only natural element of your diet (at least in the past) was a banana dipped in your Stella.

        The fact remains that it's not difficult to avoid that sort of thing. Just a bit of willpower and a touch of class is all you need, mate.

        TheoGB @mala | 29 Sep '13, 22:24 | X
        • ;-D

          "a touch of class".

          To be honest, i think lots of people *do* struggle to eat a healthy diet. Lots of people have physical jobs, or work long hours, or just fall into bad habits. Also, lots of people, rightly or wrongly think cooking from scratch is a lot more expensive.

          mala @TheoGB | 29 Sep '13, 22:27 | X
          • Lots of people, people, lots, of them.

            mala @mala | 29 Sep '13, 22:28 | X
            • Cooking from scratch can be.

              Maybe the ingredients are cheap (ish) but the costs in terms of gas/electric in running the hobs is significant to those members of the population on the breadline. I'm not joking.

              I don't know how many people struggle to eat a healthy diet who want to and who aren't and can afford it. Fruit is expensive compared to most other snacks, for example. If you *can* afford to then it's really not hard at all.

              TheoGB @mala | 29 Sep '13, 22:31 | X
              • is fruit expensive compared to other snacks?

                an apple or banana is about 20-40p, and a snickers is about 80p.

                Smee @TheoGB | 30 Sep '13, 14:51 | X
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                • Depends on where you buy it.

                  Depends on what your other snacks are. One snickers is probably 80p but then there are also packs of 7 Hula Hoops for a quid or something, or other things like a packet of polos or wine gums that lasts longer. Fuck me, even a packet of value biscuits is about 30p.

                  No surprise to see Royter and TheWza thising your short-sighted consideration.

                  TheoGB @Smee | 1 Oct '13, 08:47 | X
                  • :-D

                    but then there are also packs of 7 apples for a quid or something.

                    TheWza @TheoGB | 1 Oct '13, 09:27 | X
                  • blimey Theo

                    Smee @TheoGB | 1 Oct '13, 10:18 | X
  • its the mark of a master that KiK has been enable to get into two arguements about such an inane topic in about an hour

    *doffs hat*

    Jordan_229_2 | 29 Sep '13, 22:46 | X
  • pretty much all recipe books

    contain recipes that don't contain processed food. Except American and Australian ones, which seem to use half fresh ingredients then 'add a packet of sauce x' for whut?

    Do you mean you don't even want to be eating things like tinned tomatoes or pulses?

    Nothing from a can or a packet, just fresh meat and veg?

    Giving up carbs is fairly easy. Hi-GI carbs anyway, they're the bad ones - white breads, potato, white rice, couscous.

    Giving up pre-prepared, processed, packet, ready meal food is a piece of piss. Food industry has done a good job of convincing people they have no time to make their own food. just ain't true. Not even Jamie Oliver could wind back the damage done on that one.

    likewise, giving up hi/added-sugar stuff is easy too. You'll miss the sugar highs for a little while, but not for long.

    GoatmeatMF | 30 Sep '13, 10:24 | X
    • hang on are potatoes bad in the same way bread is?

      fuck eating rice every day

      Smee @GoatmeatMF | 30 Sep '13, 14:43 | X
      • no

        potato carbs aren't as 'bad' as wheat. Me, I am horribly intolerant to wheat, not coeliac allergic, but it makes me really bloated, sluggish and headachy. I just don't like eating very many carbs at all so rarely have potatoes, rice, pasta or bread - I do eat a shit ton of cake though. Depends how much exercise I am doing though, sometimes I do need to stock up on carbs in which case it will be brown rice.

        GoatmeatMF @Smee | 30 Sep '13, 15:19 | X
      • Half the world does

        the_dazzled @Smee | 1 Oct '13, 09:34 | X
        • yeah i know

          and actually *eating* rice every is fine. i've been in that half of the world and very much enjoyed doing that. wouldn't like to have to cook it every day though

          Smee @the_dazzled | 1 Oct '13, 10:19 | X
  • Isn't this what they call the neolithic diet?

    so eating only things our stone age brethren would have eaten. So meat and veg are OK, but no processed stuff like flour, or sugar, oil and so on. And milk and cheese I guess, so more like things you can forage or kill. Seems like a good idea but would be a bit of a ballache in 2013.

    steinbolt | 30 Sep '13, 14:22 | X
    • re: foraging

      someone in my office said she went 'Foraging for blackberries' at the weekend. fuck off. It's 'blackberry picking', never will that be usurped with 'foraging'.

      Doesn't foraging mean you go out to look for some food with some idea of what you will find, but not exactly. Whereas, when you go to get blackberries, you know exactly what you're going for and where you'll find it. So not foraging at all. Blackberry picking.

      /rant

      GoatmeatMF @steinbolt | 30 Sep '13, 15:43 | X
  • gonna wait for the guidance notes on indie point allocation before answering this one

    Smee | 30 Sep '13, 14:32 | X
    Royter-Hatfood and no-class this'd this
  • Dunno

    You could eat all natural food and still have a massively unhealthy diet. And unless you're prepared to pay full whack for 'organic' meat and veg you don't know that you're not eating shite anyway (and even then...).

    Royter-Hatfood | 30 Sep '13, 14:38 | X
    • yeah, I eat all stuff I've cooked myself

      including occasional organic meat. But as a large amount of it is cheese, potatoes and chocolate, it's not low fat or anything!

      nice_squirrel @Royter-Hatfood | 30 Sep '13, 14:42 | X
      • ^ although re: your point below

        if you added equivalent salt to home cooking compared to microwave meals (or takeaways!) you probably wouldn't be able to bring yourself to eat it. (It's fine if you don't know, obviously).

        Royter-Hatfood @nice_squirrel | 30 Sep '13, 14:52 | X
  • I normally cook all my meals from scratch, if that's what you mean

    except for the last three weeks, because I'm waiting for a cooker to be delivered to my flat, and I've only had a microwave and a fridge, which has been really shit. So bored of microwaveable pasta meals now!

    Normally I make curries, stews, stir fries, roasted vegetables, pasta with vegetable sauce, that kind of thing. I do add salt to them, but I assume it's not nearly as much as in ready meals. Nigel Slater's Real Fast Food is a good cookbook of easy things.

    nice_squirrel | 30 Sep '13, 14:39 | X
    • three weeks!

      i'd have cracked out the camping stove by now

      Smee @nice_squirrel | 30 Sep '13, 14:44 | X
      • another week to go

        it's crap, and SO expensive. Started to crave things I'm missing, like ginger and leeks.

        nice_squirrel @Smee | 30 Sep '13, 14:47 | X
        • actually I'm lying

          I would have eaten curry and pizza every day for a month

          Smee @nice_squirrel | 30 Sep '13, 14:50 | X
        • You could probably buy a slow cooker for like a tenner from Argos, make some nice stews/curries and stuff.

          hip_young_gunslinger @nice_squirrel | 30 Sep '13, 14:54 | X
          • I probably should have done that

            although stupid Argos are the ones delivering my cooker two weeks later than promised. SCREW YOU ARGOS.

            nice_squirrel @hip_young_gunslinger | 30 Sep '13, 15:34 | X
  • Made a brilliant roast beef dinner last night btw

    Perfect medium rare. Used an anchovy (and onions and wine and veg stock and a *pinch* of sugar) in the gravy. Exceptional scenes. And the missus did all the washing up! More updates as and when.

    Royter-Hatfood | 30 Sep '13, 14:40 | X
    • can we have a 100 word summary on how to make Royter's gravy please?

      Smee @Royter-Hatfood | 30 Sep '13, 14:45 | X
      • Is that a euphemism?

        Raanraals @Smee | 30 Sep '13, 14:53 | X
      • Huh?

        Just standard procedure. Obviously there's an onion halved underneath your joint anyway, so once the meat's been resting for 30 min or so, heat up the pan, spoon off most of the fat, stir in a handful of flour, then add a little slosh of wine to deglaze the pan, bubble it real good, mash in an anchovy or two, chuck in any meat juices that have seeped out the joint, then gradually add as much of the reserved water from parboiling the potatoes as you want, salt/pepper/sugar according to taste, simmer it away until it's the consistency you want. Put it in a preheated gravy boat/pyrex measuring jug.

        Royter-Hatfood @Smee | 30 Sep '13, 14:58 | X
        • If you're at liberty to create maximum washing up out of this

          it makes it x100 more enjoyable.

          Royter-Hatfood @Royter-Hatfood | 30 Sep '13, 14:59 | X
        • *boil kettle, chuck in bisto

          ElthamsmateOwen @Royter-Hatfood | 30 Sep '13, 15:15 | X
  • I don't eat anything that casts a shadow

    anal_schwarzenegger | 30 Sep '13, 14:45 | X
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  • I have no idea what 'natural' means and how you define it,

    and I'm the most anal/twatty person on here when it comes to self-imposed dietary restrictions.

    marckee | 30 Sep '13, 14:49 | X
    • Can you explain your anal/twatty self-imposed dietary restrictions please

      j0hn @marckee | 30 Sep '13, 16:08 | X
      • ^this

        I want to see if they're as anal and twatty as mine.

        GoatmeatMF @j0hn | 30 Sep '13, 16:14 | X
  • When i eat a diet consisting of fish + veg

    and fruit i genuinely do feel amazing. It makes you feel more awake unlike after you have a big meal of processed food where you feel like you need a nap afterwards.

    sharp_yet_blunt | 30 Sep '13, 15:04 | X
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  • Nope.

    meowington | 30 Sep '13, 15:54 | X
  • can't think of many non-western diets that don't feature a significant amount of carbs tbh. the japanese do alright on white rice...

    fuck_this_band | 30 Sep '13, 16:20 | X
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  • I'm surprised no one has asked this yet

    What is your "list of natural ingredients"?

    post it up

    GoatmeatMF | 30 Sep '13, 16:24 | X
    • http://s340.photobucket.com/user/kissinginkansas/media/Image000-12.jpg.html

      Smee @GoatmeatMF | 1 Oct '13, 10:21 | X
  • :'-D

    My granddad, despite living with his vegetarian wife for decades, used to use the phrase "made up foods" to describe pretty much anything that wasn't yer basic potatoes, veg, meat or dairy.

    Pasta? Made up food. Soya milk? Made up. Rice? That, too. Quiche/flan? Completely natural. Trifle? Natural. Normal. Nothing to be scared of. Lentils? Reminds me of the slop I fed to my pigs, son.

    TheWza | 1 Oct '13, 01:00 | X
  • what kind of indie points are on offer here, chief?

    no-class | 1 Oct '13, 09:36 | X
  • if you're doing this to lose weight, just stop

    the only thing that matters is your overall caloric intake, don't worry yourself about all this paleo shit chief. if you're doing this for health reasons...are you overweight? If so, take care of that first.

    Mehodor | 1 Oct '13, 12:15 | X
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